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More brown stuff comes out of Ajit Pai's Pie Hole

PostPosted: Mon Sep 17, 2018 6:40 pm
by The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp
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Ajit Pai calls California’s net neutrality rules “illegal”

CA enforcing neutrality because "Pai abdicated his responsibility," senator says

California's attempt to enforce net neutrality rules is "illegal" and "poses a risk to the rest of the country," Federal Communications Commission Chairman Ajit Pai said in a speech on Friday.

Pai's remarks drew an immediate rebuke from California Senator Scott Wiener (D-San Francisco), who authored the net neutrality bill that passed California's legislature and now awaits the signature of Governor Jerry Brown.

California's net neutrality rules are "necessary and legal because Chairman Pai abdicated his responsibility to ensure an open Internet," Wiener said in a press release.

"Unlike Pai's FCC, California isn't run by the big telecom and cable companies," Wiener also said. "Pai can take whatever potshots at California he wants. The reality is that California is the world's innovation capital, and unlike the crony capitalism promoted by the Trump administration, California understands exactly what it takes to foster an open innovation economy with a level playing field."

Pai claims power to preempt state rules
Pai targeted the California rules in a speech at the Maine Heritage Policy Center (transcript).

Pai derided what he called "nanny-state California legislators," and said:

The broader problem is that California's micromanagement poses a risk to the rest of the country. After all, broadband is an interstate service; Internet traffic doesn't recognize state lines. It follows that only the federal government can set regulatory policy in this area. For if individual states like California regulate the Internet, this will directly impact citizens in other states.

Among other reasons, this is why efforts like California's are illegal. In fact, just last week, the US Court of Appeals for the Eighth Circuit reaffirmed the well-established law that state regulation of information services is preempted by federal law. Last December, the FCC made clear that broadband is just such an information service.

We covered that court ruling last week. The ruling preempted Minnesota's attempt to regulate VoIP phone services offered by cable companies, but there are some key differences between the Minnesota case and the question of whether states can impose net neutrality rules.

The FCC never decided whether VoIP is an information service, and it still imposes some regulations on VoIP. In the net neutrality case, supporters of state rules argue that they can't be preempted by the FCC because the FCC abandoned its regulatory authority over broadband.

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"Since the FCC says it no longer has any authority to protect an open Internet, it's also the case that the FCC lacks the legal power to preempt states from protecting their residents and economy," Wiener said.

Pai doesn't have a perfect track record when it comes to predicting whether a set of net neutrality rules would hold up in court. He claimed that the FCC rules that passed in 2015 relied on "legal authority the FCC doesn't have," but those were upheld by a federal appeals court.

If California's bill is signed into law, ISPs and broadband industry trade groups will likely sue the state to block the rules. But the FCC's preemption authority is not unlimited, as seen in a 2016 court decision that prevented the FCC from preempting state laws that restrict the growth of municipal broadband networks.

Pai “said nothing” when Verizon throttled firefighters
To Pai, rules that prevent ISPs from interfering with Internet traffic are simply "government control of the Internet." He has been using that phrase for years to describe the FCC's now-repealed net neutrality rules, and he used it again Friday to describe the California rules.

But the California rules are even worse than the FCC ones, Pai said, calling the California legislation "a radical, anti-consumer Internet regulation bill that would impose restrictions even more burdensome than those adopted by the FCC in 2015."

The California rules are actually quite similar to those that used to be enforced by the FCC before Pai led a vote to kill the rules. The California bill bans blocking, throttling, and paid prioritization, just like the federal rules did. California's bill goes beyond the old FCC rules by also banning paid data-cap exemptions ("zero-rating").

Pai said the California bill's restriction on zero-rating will "prevent Californian consumers from buying many free-data plans," including ones that "allow consumers to stream video, music, and the like exempt from any data limits."

The California bill would prevent ISPs from demanding payments from websites or online services in exchange for data cap exemptions. California lawmakers decided to ban paid data-cap exemptions because they could prioritize some services over others and give ISPs an incentive to impose lower data limits.

But the California bill allows ISPs to exempt entire categories of Internet content (such as video and music) from data caps. That means the zero-rating in programs like T-Mobile's Binge On and Music Freedom would be allowed under the pending California law.

Wiener said his bill ensures that "we as individuals get to decide where we go on the Internet, rather than having Internet service providers decide for us," and that "big telecom and cable companies can't force us to get our information only from favored websites."

Wiener also criticized Pai for remaining silent on Verizon's recent throttling of Santa Clara County firefighters while they fought the state's largest-ever wildfire.

"When Verizon was caught throttling the data connection of a wildfire-fighting crew in California, Chairman Pai said nothing and did nothing," Wiener said. "That silence says far more than his words today."


My opinion, keep on going on cali.

The people who are really active about State's rights should also be behind Cali on this.


Also, a reminder that Trump appointed Ajit Pai, therefor he takes some responsibly for what Ajit Pai has done to the US.


Your thoughts NSG?

PostPosted: Mon Sep 17, 2018 6:47 pm
by Thermodolia
No Trump did not appoint Ajit Pai. That was Obama in 2012. Trump just made Pai the chairman. So in reality the blame lies with Obama for putting Pai in the post in the first place

PostPosted: Mon Sep 17, 2018 6:49 pm
by The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp
Thermodolia wrote:No Trump did not appoint Ajit Pai. That was Obama in 2012. Trump just made Pai the chairman. So in reality the blame lies with Obama for putting Pai in the post in the first place

That appointment to chairman did more damage and Obama's FCC was the one who instituted NN in the first place.

Either way, Trump did indeed do something and that makes him responsible for the thing that he did.

PostPosted: Mon Sep 17, 2018 6:51 pm
by NeoOasis
I'm fine with California's anti-consumerist radical internet adgenda. Especially if it means Verizon won't arbitrarily cap my internet, and offer me the same thing for twice the price. Love the idea of treating all data equally.

PostPosted: Mon Sep 17, 2018 6:53 pm
by Thermodolia
The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:No Trump did not appoint Ajit Pai. That was Obama in 2012. Trump just made Pai the chairman. So in reality the blame lies with Obama for putting Pai in the post in the first place

That appointment to chairman did more damage and Obama's FCC was the one who instituted NN in the first place.

The chairman is not appointed but designated meaning that they serve at the will of the president. Which means that Obama messed up when he appointed Pai at the recommendation of McConnel.

The blame is not on Trump but Obama. You don’t blame a dog for attacking people you blame it’s owner. In this case Trump/Pai are the dog and Obama is the owner who fucked it up.

PostPosted: Mon Sep 17, 2018 6:55 pm
by Internationalist Bastard
Look I’m a simple woman, I take my clothes off one layer at a time
Net Neutrality is good for business, keeps me employed. The fact that it also just feels like repealing it only benefits big internet providers as they gain more power just means I got ideallogical and personal reasons to keep the internet free

PostPosted: Mon Sep 17, 2018 6:56 pm
by Lanoraie II
Seeing that thread title after being out of the loop in politics was an experience and a half.

PostPosted: Mon Sep 17, 2018 6:58 pm
by The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp
Thermodolia wrote:
The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:That appointment to chairman did more damage and Obama's FCC was the one who instituted NN in the first place.

The chairman is not appointed but designated meaning that they serve at the will of the president. Which means that Obama messed up when he appointed Pai at the recommendation of McConnel.

The blame is not on Trump but Obama. You don’t blame a dog for attacking people you blame it’s owner. In this case Trump/Pai are the dog and Obama is the owner who fucked it up.


The chairman 'serves at the will of the president'. So the vote to destroy NN was Trump's will. Beacuse Trump designated Pai as chairman.


Obama did not designate Pai, Trump did. Therefor, it's Trumps fault.

PostPosted: Mon Sep 17, 2018 7:00 pm
by Geneviev
Net Neutrality is good and besides, states rights. I don't want companies to restrict my access to Ukulele tabs or guitar forums.

PostPosted: Mon Sep 17, 2018 7:00 pm
by Greater Cesnica
Lanoraie II wrote:Seeing that thread title after being out of the loop in politics was an experience and a half.

Ikr. The thing is, it's true. That's the worst part.

PostPosted: Mon Sep 17, 2018 7:01 pm
by Internationalist Bastard
Geneviev wrote:Net Neutrality is good and besides, states rights. I don't want companies to restrict my access to Ukulele tabs or guitar forums.

How will stream hours of porn visit this fine forum for intellectual debate

PostPosted: Mon Sep 17, 2018 7:07 pm
by Unstoppable Empire of Doom
Thermodolia wrote:
The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:That appointment to chairman did more damage and Obama's FCC was the one who instituted NN in the first place.

The chairman is not appointed but designated meaning that they serve at the will of the president. Which means that Obama messed up when he appointed Pai at the recommendation of McConnel.

The blame is not on Trump but Obama. You don’t blame a dog for attacking people you blame it’s owner. In this case Trump/Pai are the dog and Obama is the owner who fucked it up.

The commission has to be split between republicans and democrats. Obama had to appoint a republican and one which would be approved iirc. Your point is misleading in that regard but technically accurate. Obama did appoint him at the behest of the republican party and when they won the election they unleashed their lobbyist on our internet. Also don't call the president a dog. I don't like him either but he is still human.

PostPosted: Mon Sep 17, 2018 7:08 pm
by Geneviev
Internationalist Bastard wrote:
Geneviev wrote:Net Neutrality is good and besides, states rights. I don't want companies to restrict my access to Ukulele tabs or guitar forums.

How will stream hours of porn visit this fine forum for intellectual debate

Ukulele tabs. Guitar tabs. Awful guitar covers of every song imaginable. Gsus puns. There's so many uses for net neutrality.

PostPosted: Mon Sep 17, 2018 7:08 pm
by Collatis
Thermodolia wrote:No Trump did not appoint Ajit Pai. That was Obama in 2012. Trump just made Pai the chairman. So in reality the blame lies with Obama for putting Pai in the post in the first place

Obama was obligated to nominate a Republican for the post. Blaming him for following the law makes no sense.

PostPosted: Mon Sep 17, 2018 7:08 pm
by Uxupox
Honestly thought there was some racism going on with that title name.

PostPosted: Mon Sep 17, 2018 7:11 pm
by The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp
Uxupox wrote:Honestly thought there was some racism going on with that title name.

No, you know me better then that!

I'm not a racist, I just hate when people act like assholes.


Ajit Pai, has non stop been liking like an asshole. Spraying shit everywhere.

PostPosted: Mon Sep 17, 2018 7:15 pm
by Bestral
It’s disappointing to see that most of the folks on the left do not even have a basic understanding of net neutrality actually is.

PostPosted: Mon Sep 17, 2018 7:16 pm
by The South Falls
How will I go into incognito mode and mess around with shady websites do research for this fine forum?

PostPosted: Mon Sep 17, 2018 7:16 pm
by Thermodolia
Collatis wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:No Trump did not appoint Ajit Pai. That was Obama in 2012. Trump just made Pai the chairman. So in reality the blame lies with Obama for putting Pai in the post in the first place

Obama was obligated to nominate a Republican for the post. Blaming him for following the law makes no sense.

Unstoppable Empire of Doom wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:The chairman is not appointed but designated meaning that they serve at the will of the president. Which means that Obama messed up when he appointed Pai at the recommendation of McConnel.

The blame is not on Trump but Obama. You don’t blame a dog for attacking people you blame it’s owner. In this case Trump/Pai are the dog and Obama is the owner who fucked it up.

The commission has to be split between republicans and democrats. Obama had to appoint a republican and one which would be approved iirc.

It’s called appointing a different republican. It’s not that hard to understand. Jesus.

Your point is misleading in that regard but technically accurate. Obama did appoint him at the behest of the republican party and when they won the election they unleashed their lobbyist on our internet.

Because in 2012 the idea was that a Democrat would win to take Obama’s place. That obviously didn’t happen and instead Obama gave into the republicans.

Also don't call the president a dog. I don't like him either but he is still human.

I didn’t call Trump a dog. It was an Analogy. I actually don’t mind Trump.

PostPosted: Mon Sep 17, 2018 7:16 pm
by Uxupox
The South Falls wrote:How will I go into incognito mode and mess around with shady websites do research for this fine forum?


be a normal person and use vpn.

PostPosted: Mon Sep 17, 2018 7:18 pm
by Freezic Vast
Sorry, but anyone with a last name "Wiener" should not be taken seriously without laughing.

PostPosted: Mon Sep 17, 2018 7:26 pm
by Godular
Thermodolia wrote:No Trump did not appoint Ajit Pai. That was Obama in 2012. Trump just made Pai the chairman. So in reality the blame lies with Obama for putting Pai in the post in the first place


Having a guy as a consultant/garbage bin vs chairmanship is a pretty big leap. Sure one prez set up the first and the second was brought forth by the resident-in-chief (would that count as nicknaming? Does it say anything bad about ‘im?), but I dun’ think that means it falls on the shoulders of the first just because they let him get his foot in the door.

PostPosted: Mon Sep 17, 2018 7:31 pm
by The South Falls
Uxupox wrote:
The South Falls wrote:How will I go into incognito mode and mess around with shady websites do research for this fine forum?


be a normal person and use vpn.



Very (maybe) Private Network.

Freezic Vast wrote:Sorry, but anyone with a last name "Wiener" should not be taken seriously without laughing.

You could be John le Fucker...

PostPosted: Mon Sep 17, 2018 7:39 pm
by Major-Tom
Sometimes, whenever I'm feeling like I'm a guy who has done some bad things, I remember that I'm not Ajit Pai, and my self-perception gets better. So, at least Mr. Pai has that going for him, he has dicks like me feeling like less of an ass.

Also, a caveat, Obama appointed Pai as a top member of the FCC, Trump made him hedge honcho. Not that it matters, Obama was far from okay on internet protection and privacy rights.

PostPosted: Mon Sep 17, 2018 7:42 pm
by Telconi
Hopefully the FCC had the capacity to preempt California's attempt to pass this garbage.