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https://edition.cnn.com/2018/09/12/euro ... index.html

So basically, the Catholic Church has yet another sexual abuse scandal... or a continuation of prior ones, depending upon how you're counting them.

This is probably no coincidence. More likely cause and effect. This is what religion does to critical thinking. If you arbitrarily privilege these priests' interpretations of an internally-contradictory holy book over everyone else's, you already trust them more than is rational. Is it any coincidence are attracted to that that profession by an opportunity to abuse that trust?

Besides, we don't need religion anyway. Danes, Dutch, Norwegians, and Swedes each claim religion isn't important to their lives. They're doing just fine. Why not just throw it out?

Shouldn't and won't. If Catholicism vanishes from the face of the earth, it will be via widespread walkout (which is literally never gonna happen) instead of through forcible dissolution.

This is absurdly simplistic Lima, and you know it. The Catholic Church has over 1 Billion followers, and reform needs to come from within not by an external secular force. You simply can't abolish the Catholic Church, and not expect the followers to give up on their beliefs.

If we disbanded every organization in that had scandals there’d be no more organizations

No because then we'd still have to listen to wacky white protestant sects that call for genocide or other forms of mass extermination.

Tinhampton wrote:Shouldn't and won't. If Catholicism vanishes from the face of the earth, it will be via widespread walkout (which is literally never gonna happen) instead of through forcible dissolution.

Correct, even the Maoist cultural revolution couldn't completely destroy both the native, and "Western" Faith's present in China entirely.

No. because not everyone in the church is a pedophile and it has way too many followers to just be abolished. Absurd thought.

Impaled Nazarene wrote:No because then we'd still have to listen to wacky white protestant sects that call for genocide or other forms of mass extermination.

I mean you can have wacky Protestant branches of all varieties, and not just your white supremacists ones as well. Hell dominionists are pretty equal when it comes to accepting denominations that posit a view of a theocratic U.S.

Benuty wrote:

Tinhampton wrote:Shouldn't and won't. If Catholicism vanishes from the face of the earth, it will be via widespread walkout (which is literally never gonna happen) instead of through forcible dissolution.

Correct, even the Maoist cultural revolution couldn't completely destroy both the native, and "Western" Faith's present in China entirely.

That's because Mao died. If China didn't abandon the revolution after his death religion in China would be a lot different.

What kind of edgy proposal is this? You can't ban one of the biggest religious organisations in the world outright.

Kyrinasaj wrote:What kind of edgy proposal is this? You can't ban one of the biggest religious organisations in the world outright.

I mean you can it just won’t work

Impaled Nazarene wrote:

Benuty wrote:Correct, even the Maoist cultural revolution couldn't completely destroy both the native, and "Western" Faith's present in China entirely.

That's because Mao died. If China didn't abandon the revolution after his death religion in China would be a lot different.

The Maoist cultural revolution was doomed to fail irregardless of Mao living or not. I mean the man himself started to realize things we're getting a bit out of hand especially in regards to students forming impromptu mobs, and disrupting society at large.

Although I am an Atheist, and I love the idea of getting rid of the church, I do have to admit abolishing the Roman Catholic Church would cause more problems, mainly in splinter groups, more radicalism in the church as well abolishing it would not make the percentage of people who believe in imaginary sky people go down.

No, we shouldn't ban any religion/sect

Except Scientology, that should be banned

Internationalist Bastard wrote:

Kyrinasaj wrote:What kind of edgy proposal is this? You can't ban one of the biggest religious organisations in the world outright.

I mean you can it just won’t work

True, and it's not like underground religious organizations aren't a thing either.

Free Arabian Nation wrote:No, we shouldn't ban any religion/sect

Except Scientology, that should be banned

You can do the latter by revoking their tax status, and convincing celebrities to dissasociate from the group.

Internationalist Bastard wrote:

Kyrinasaj wrote:What kind of edgy proposal is this? You can't ban one of the biggest religious organisations in the world outright.

I mean you can it just won’t work

The countries where the church is prominent won't abolish it anyway, ''we'' can't abolish it. You can't get rid of it unless you want to start some mass purge of catholic beliefs world wide.

Impaled Nazarene wrote:

Benuty wrote:Correct, even the Maoist cultural revolution couldn't completely destroy both the native, and "Western" Faith's present in China entirely.

That's because Mao died. If China didn't abandon the revolution after his death religion in China would be a lot different.

They went underground
My husbands family was pretty close to a major city but they stuck through with the religion

Kyrinasaj wrote:

Internationalist Bastard wrote:I mean you can it just won’t work

The countries where the church is prominent won't abolish it anyway, ''we'' can't abolish it. You can't get rid of it unless you want to start some mass purge of catholic beliefs world wide.

At most you will start getting a bunch of sects coming together after the purge led by surviving Catholic believers. The idea of killing over a billion people to try, and wipe out a belief system is horrifying in it's own right.

No

Yeahhhhh, good luck with that...

El-Amin Caliphate wrote:No

Pretty much the only real answer, and besides internal schisms of faith tend to do more damage than state sanctioned genocide out of a need for secular conformity.

No, but the organisation itself does need to be held accountable for its cover-ups and the like. Thankfully, that seems to be starting to happen, at least a little.

Onto the point about pedophilia there is more a subcultural issue within the institution that can be dealt with to handle it. The church like quite a few other organizations of importance has this because people are abusing it. Obviously removing the protections for said agents of misfortune would go a long way, but it will take time.

Yes.

If you are a good catholic, you don't need the organization to legitimize your faith. And it deprives those who would abuse the powers of an organized religion of said powers.