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34
23%
Brexit when?
45
30%
Welp, time to illegally buy/sell memes now
38
26%
Well, actually...
3
2%
Lol they won't ban memes you fucking buffoon its not like it's the end of the world or anything
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19%
 
Total votes : 148

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Stanier
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Postby Stanier » Wed Sep 12, 2018 7:43 am

United American Commomwealth wrote:
Bakery Hill wrote:All communication is political.

"Hello, Jimmy!"

"Hey, NO POLITICS IN THIS HOUSE"


I like dat quote.
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Estanglia
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Postby Estanglia » Wed Sep 12, 2018 7:43 am

Evil Dictators Happyland wrote:I'm just going to point out here that they previously said that memes could be political, which is kind of a fact.
It's pretty stupid, since literally everything can be political, but that's what they said.

They've (if you're referring to Bakery Hill) also claimed that all communication and all memes are political.
Yeah: Egalitarianism, equality
Meh: Labour, the EU
Nah: pointless discrimination, authoritarianism, Brexit, Trump, both American parties, the Conservatives
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Bienenhalde
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Postby Bienenhalde » Wed Sep 12, 2018 7:43 am

For anyone who is wondering, here is some accurate information about what the new EU policy will actually do: http://www.europarl.europa.eu/news/en/headlines/society/20180628STO06869/copyright-reform-we-want-to-protect-creatives-rights

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Nanatsu no Tsuki
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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Wed Sep 12, 2018 7:43 am

Internationalist Bastard wrote:
Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
I stated that but you know, ''mah memes!!'' There's some voting still to be done, which will happen on January 2019, but yeah, here we are.

There’s nothing really to debate otherwise
I stated my genuine thoughts on the matter, and now we wait for it to actually pass.


Oh, there is plenty to discuss, provided people actually check what the A13 is first.
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Bakery Hill
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Postby Bakery Hill » Wed Sep 12, 2018 7:43 am

Internationalist Bastard wrote:
Bakery Hill wrote:All communication is political.

So by your own argument
Communication is divisive

Divisiveness can be good when not in a debased form.
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Estanglia
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Postby Estanglia » Wed Sep 12, 2018 7:43 am

Bakery Hill wrote:
Evil Dictators Happyland wrote:So by "memes are political" you didn't actually mean that memes are political, you were just saying that memes can be used to transmit political ideas?

All communication is political.

Prove it.
Yeah: Egalitarianism, equality
Meh: Labour, the EU
Nah: pointless discrimination, authoritarianism, Brexit, Trump, both American parties, the Conservatives
I flop between "optimistic about the future" and "pessimistic about the future" every time I go on NSG.

(Taken 29/08/2020)
Political compass test:
Economic Left/Right: -6.75
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -6.05

8values thinks I'm a Libertarian Socialist.

Torrocca wrote:"Your honor, it was not mein fault! I didn't order the systematic genocide of millions of people, it was the twenty kilograms of pure-cut Bavarian cocaine that did it!"

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Internationalist Bastard
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Postby Internationalist Bastard » Wed Sep 12, 2018 7:44 am

Bakery Hill wrote:
Internationalist Bastard wrote:We can literally show you thousands of examples of them not being political and you will just keep sitting here going “Nope” so why should I?

If you don't feel you can or should argue a position, then it is best not to.

How can I argue with the position of “well it can be something”?
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Bakery Hill
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Postby Bakery Hill » Wed Sep 12, 2018 7:44 am

Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:No why?


Because they can't even.

This is the culture we are losing. Thank you.
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Esternial
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Postby Esternial » Wed Sep 12, 2018 7:44 am

Bakery Hill wrote:
Evil Dictators Happyland wrote:So by "memes are political" you didn't actually mean that memes are political, you were just saying that memes can be used to transmit political ideas?

All communication is political.

"Talk dirty to me."

"I'd like to separate your church from your state."

"OOH YEAH BABY FUCK ME LIKE THE STATE FUCKS THE LOWER CLASS"

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Thermodolia
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Postby Thermodolia » Wed Sep 12, 2018 7:44 am

Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:No why?


Because they can't even.

Hahahahaha. That’s a good one
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Nanatsu no Tsuki
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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Wed Sep 12, 2018 7:44 am

Bakery Hill wrote:
Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
Because they can't even.

This is the culture we are losing. Thank you.


It's the least I can do, Chairman Mao.
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Vassenor
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Left-wing Utopia

Postby Vassenor » Wed Sep 12, 2018 7:44 am

Will memes and derivative fan works be affected?

No, they are absolutely not at risk. They will still be covered by the copyright exception that already exists in national legislation. The user is not affected by this reform at all. Only the platforms are responsible.


BUT THE MEME BANS or something.
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Bolkenia
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Postby Bolkenia » Wed Sep 12, 2018 7:44 am

So, those idiots want to silence us, for protecting assholes in suits and the "paper press" ? Then they can go to hell, before this is a offense of my freedom of speech. And that's the kind of shit peoples have been fighting to protect from totalitarian morons. Good for economy, bad for the rest huh ? Guess even die-hard supporter of the EU can get bored of those bullshits.
"Dude it won't pass tomorrow lol" Except it just gonna get EVEN WORSE. Fuck this article, fuck the EU.
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United American Commomwealth
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Postby United American Commomwealth » Wed Sep 12, 2018 7:45 am

Esternial wrote:
Bakery Hill wrote:All communication is political.

"Talk dirty to me."

"I'd like to separate your church from your state."

"OOH YEAH BABY FUCK ME LIKE THE STATE FUCKS THE LOWER CLASS"

You're a god.
Might have represented my views in the past, now it's just Libertarian Knockoff 1984/Lexicon
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Bakery Hill
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Postby Bakery Hill » Wed Sep 12, 2018 7:45 am

United American Commomwealth wrote:
Bakery Hill wrote:So you think that every political message is a coherent argument? That's a little ridiculous isn't it?

You still have yet to prove why a two-legged cat with the OK hand for feet is Political

Or how Shrek is a symbol of the peoples revolution against the onion overlords

You have to show me the memes, then I can make a particular argument one way or another.
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Vassenor
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Postby Vassenor » Wed Sep 12, 2018 7:45 am

Bolkenia wrote:So, those idiots want to silence us, for protecting assholes in suits and the "paper press" ? Then they can go to hell, before this is a offense of my freedom of speech. And that's the kind of shit peoples have been fighting to protect from totalitarian morons. Good for economy, bad for the rest huh ? Guess even die-hard supporter of the EU can get bored of those bullshits.
"Dude it won't pass tomorrow lol" Except it just gonna get EVEN WORSE. Fuck this article, fuck the EU.


What part of this suppresses your free speech? Point to it in the text please.
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United American Commomwealth
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Postby United American Commomwealth » Wed Sep 12, 2018 7:45 am

Bakery Hill wrote:
United American Commomwealth wrote:You still have yet to prove why a two-legged cat with the OK hand for feet is Political

Or how Shrek is a symbol of the peoples revolution against the onion overlords

You have to show me the memes, then I can make a particular argument one way or another.

...

I just did?
Might have represented my views in the past, now it's just Libertarian Knockoff 1984/Lexicon
A 14.5 civilization, according to this ok index. (I can't tell if I suck or not).
If there is no light at the end of the tunnel, make your own light and smash that tunnel open.
Murica news: Last Californian resident dies of a bear attack, the State California is now completely depopulated other than military bases. The battle for Detroit rages on as American forces try to take down the infamous gang leader "Biggy G". Minab destroyed by nuclear bomb "accident", USSR has yet to make an official statement

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Bakery Hill
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Postby Bakery Hill » Wed Sep 12, 2018 7:46 am

Estanglia wrote:
Bakery Hill wrote:All communication is political. Memes are simply a degenerate form of communication.

Uh... no. Not all communication is political. A conversation about the inner workings of a computer is not political.

No there are over and immediate and often more subtle wider power dynamics at play in that conversation. What if one participant is a woman?
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Bakery Hill
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Postby Bakery Hill » Wed Sep 12, 2018 7:46 am

Stormwrath wrote:
Firaxin wrote:If all memes are political then everything is political and therefore degenerate. Better stop worshipping Jesus, because that might divide people.

Relevant Jesus meme quote: I came not to bring peace but a sword.

I do like that one.
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Bakery Hill
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Postby Bakery Hill » Wed Sep 12, 2018 7:47 am

Estanglia wrote:
Bakery Hill wrote:All communication is political.

Prove it.

Well what exactly do you think we're doing now?
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The New California Republic
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Civil Rights Lovefest

Postby The New California Republic » Wed Sep 12, 2018 7:47 am

United American Commomwealth wrote:
The New California Republic wrote:Even the doge face is political.

Wow, much revolution. very democratic, wow

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The Irradiated Wasteland of The New California Republic: depicting the expanded NCR, several years after the total victory over Caesar's Legion, and the annexation of New Vegas and its surrounding areas.

White-collared conservatives flashing down the street
Pointing their plastic finger at me
They're hoping soon, my kind will drop and die
But I'm going to wave my freak flag high
Wave on, wave on
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Bakery Hill
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Postby Bakery Hill » Wed Sep 12, 2018 7:47 am

Internationalist Bastard wrote:
Bakery Hill wrote:If you don't feel you can or should argue a position, then it is best not to.

How can I argue with the position of “well it can be something”?

Less it "can be" and more it "is".
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Estanglia
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Postby Estanglia » Wed Sep 12, 2018 7:47 am

Bakery Hill wrote:
United American Commomwealth wrote:You still have yet to prove why a two-legged cat with the OK hand for feet is Political

Or how Shrek is a symbol of the peoples revolution against the onion overlords

You have to show me the memes, then I can make a particular argument one way or another.

They have.
Yeah: Egalitarianism, equality
Meh: Labour, the EU
Nah: pointless discrimination, authoritarianism, Brexit, Trump, both American parties, the Conservatives
I flop between "optimistic about the future" and "pessimistic about the future" every time I go on NSG.

(Taken 29/08/2020)
Political compass test:
Economic Left/Right: -6.75
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -6.05

8values thinks I'm a Libertarian Socialist.

Torrocca wrote:"Your honor, it was not mein fault! I didn't order the systematic genocide of millions of people, it was the twenty kilograms of pure-cut Bavarian cocaine that did it!"

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Nanatsu no Tsuki
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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Wed Sep 12, 2018 7:47 am

The New California Republic wrote:
United American Commomwealth wrote:Wow, much revolution. very democratic, wow

Image


I'm worried for that doge. It looks severely constipated. Needs prune juice.
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Postby Bakery Hill » Wed Sep 12, 2018 7:47 am

Esternial wrote:
Bakery Hill wrote:All communication is political.

"Talk dirty to me."

"I'd like to separate your church from your state."

"OOH YEAH BABY FUCK ME LIKE THE STATE FUCKS THE LOWER CLASS"

Sex is extremely political.
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