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Brexit when?
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Welp, time to illegally buy/sell memes now
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Well, actually...
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Lol they won't ban memes you fucking buffoon its not like it's the end of the world or anything
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Postby Albrenia » Wed Sep 12, 2018 5:34 am

Wouldn't a VPN or whatever they call those things easily skirt this?

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Postby Nuclear Wastelands » Wed Sep 12, 2018 5:35 am

Albrenia wrote:
Dytarma wrote:My meme dealer won't be happy.


It will drive the price up though. Imagine how my much my Damn Daniel collection will be worth in a few months?

I feel bad for all you EU Folk.


Now you can't get your Meme High without breaking the dumb*ss law called Article 13
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Postby The South Falls » Wed Sep 12, 2018 5:35 am

Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:Shame about those memes.

We shall survive this meme.
Albrenia wrote:Wouldn't a VPN or whatever they call those things easily skirt this?

Possibly. VPN sales will go through the roof.
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Postby The Batavia » Wed Sep 12, 2018 5:35 am

Dytarma wrote:
The Batavia wrote:Oh, this won't just affect Europe, it'll affect the entire internet. It's just that Europe gets fucked the most.

Wait, so you're telling me if I move to Mongolia to look at a 2009 Genghis Khan meme, it could not let me do so because of European law?

Hmm, good point.

I think that'll have something to do with the website's country of origin? Dunno, I only heared something like that a few times.
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Postby Rumansche » Wed Sep 12, 2018 5:35 am

It was my understanding that parodic and meme content isn't being filtered due to amendments made to Article 13. Is that incorrect?

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Postby Albrenia » Wed Sep 12, 2018 5:36 am

Rumansche wrote:It was my understanding that parodic and meme content isn't being filtered due to amendments made to Article 13. Is that incorrect?


*stops piling a handful of Pepes into a plastic baggie*

Wait what?

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Postby Dytarma » Wed Sep 12, 2018 5:36 am

The Batavia wrote:
Dytarma wrote:Wait, so you're telling me if I move to Mongolia to look at a 2009 Genghis Khan meme, it could not let me do so because of European law?

Hmm, good point.

I think that'll have something to do with the website's country of origin? Dunno, I only heared something like that a few times.

Yeah, the law is sounding like it could affect outside areas internal actions (albeit small ones) which sounds a little illegal.
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Postby The Batavia » Wed Sep 12, 2018 5:37 am

Rumansche wrote:It was my understanding that parodic and meme content isn't being filtered due to amendments made to Article 13. Is that incorrect?

Nope, they passed the whole fucking thing raw, no adjustments to make the law even slightly bearable.
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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Wed Sep 12, 2018 5:39 am

Rumansche wrote:It was my understanding that parodic and meme content isn't being filtered due to amendments made to Article 13. Is that incorrect?


Yeah, it's to stop the uploading of copyrighted content in platforms like YT and FB by other users.

FYI, the final decision still has to pass a round of voting to be carried out in January 2019.
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Postby Nuclear Wastelands » Wed Sep 12, 2018 5:43 am

Dytarma wrote:
The Batavia wrote:Hmm, good point.

I think that'll have something to do with the website's country of origin? Dunno, I only heared something like that a few times.

Yeah, the law is sounding like it could affect outside areas internal actions (albeit small ones) which sounds a little illegal.

Wait, so this could Affect us Americans?

Very Illegal. I hold the First Amendment dearly.
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Postby The South Falls » Wed Sep 12, 2018 5:43 am

The Batavia wrote:
Rumansche wrote:It was my understanding that parodic and meme content isn't being filtered due to amendments made to Article 13. Is that incorrect?

Nope, they passed the whole fucking thing raw, no adjustments to make the law even slightly bearable.

Good luck. If you want memes, I'll deal them to ya. I've got a "you like when I say" for 8 euros.
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Postby Ifreann » Wed Sep 12, 2018 5:44 am

I look forward to nothing changing, in contrast to the claims that everything will be ruined forever.
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Postby Cekoviu » Wed Sep 12, 2018 5:45 am

it may be time for me to abandon my pro-eu opinions.
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Postby Dumb Ideologies » Wed Sep 12, 2018 5:45 am

My understanding is that parodies and memes aren't explicitly banned. As such I've seen many defences about how "that's not what this is meant to about" or "that's not what is intended". Perhaps in every borderline case the European courts would rule in favour of "fair use" if tested. It's the fact that websites are now at risk of cases if they don't adhere to the obligation to promptly remove copyrighted material.

None of the intentions matter.

Clearly sites will not want to put themselves at risk of court cases from failing to remove material promptly enough. It's very inconvenient and you may not necessarily be awarded costs. So the natural response is to buy into detection software provided by the industry to remove the risk.

And yes, this is only Europe, but are most sites going to block out all European users to avoid this? Probably not. Rolling out the software solution universally is probably much better from a site perspective than either blocking an entire continent or maintaining separate "euro" and "non-euro" site versions where one is filtered and the other isn't.

This software will be an automated solution and thus a very blunt instrument that will catch parodies, memes etc because they will contain snippets of sufficient similarity to the original to come up as a match.

Regardless of intentions, while not "banned" in the strict sense of the word, the parody and meme community will thus find themselves substantially constrained by regular removal of material that is in fact covered by 'fair use'.
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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Wed Sep 12, 2018 5:46 am

Nuclear Wastelands wrote:
Dytarma wrote:Yeah, the law is sounding like it could affect outside areas internal actions (albeit small ones) which sounds a little illegal.

Wait, so this could Affect us Americans?

Very Illegal. I hold the First Amendment dearly.


Doubtful.
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Postby Albrenia » Wed Sep 12, 2018 5:46 am

Ifreann wrote:I look forward to nothing changing, in contrast to the claims that everything will be ruined forever.


This, basically, all joking aside.

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Postby Triassica » Wed Sep 12, 2018 5:46 am

The Batavia wrote:
Triassica wrote:Any idea how this will affect this site?

It'll probaby filter and censor images people upload on their flags or on the forums. This could have a huge impact on Roleplaying in the multiverse as we know it.

Or we can tell them to fuck off and do as we please...
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Postby Firaxin » Wed Sep 12, 2018 5:47 am

Nuclear Wastelands wrote:
Dytarma wrote:Yeah, the law is sounding like it could affect outside areas internal actions (albeit small ones) which sounds a little illegal.

Wait, so this could Affect us Americans?

Very Illegal. I hold the First Amendment dearly.

USA: Oh, I dont think so. *declares war*

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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Wed Sep 12, 2018 5:48 am

Triassica wrote:
The Batavia wrote:It'll probaby filter and censor images people upload on their flags or on the forums. This could have a huge impact on Roleplaying in the multiverse as we know it.

Or we can tell them to fuck off and do as we please...


No need to go bonkers. If your content is not copyrighted, and you have permission to use it, it's doubtful this is going to affect you or the roleplaying community on NS. Plus, things aren't set in stone until January 2019.
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Postby The South Falls » Wed Sep 12, 2018 5:48 am

Albrenia wrote:
Ifreann wrote:I look forward to nothing changing, in contrast to the claims that everything will be ruined forever.


This, basically, all joking aside.

Well, there will be constraints.
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Postby Albrenia » Wed Sep 12, 2018 5:48 am

Firaxin wrote:
Nuclear Wastelands wrote:Wait, so this could Affect us Americans?

Very Illegal. I hold the First Amendment dearly.

USA: Oh, I dont think so. *declares war*


Imagine if this was the start of WW3.

Truly, these are stupid times we live in. :lol:

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Postby Nuclear Wastelands » Wed Sep 12, 2018 5:49 am

Firaxin wrote:
Nuclear Wastelands wrote:Wait, so this could Affect us Americans?

Very Illegal. I hold the First Amendment dearly.

USA: Oh, I dont think so. *declares war*

*Prepares for the downfall of European Trade with the US*
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Postby Illemenia » Wed Sep 12, 2018 5:49 am

So I guess "Islamaphobic" memes are illegal now. Great EU. Great.

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Postby Cekoviu » Wed Sep 12, 2018 5:49 am

Illemenia wrote:So I guess "Islamaphobic" memes are illegal now. Great EU. Great.

um, have you actually read anything about the law?
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Postby Ifreann » Wed Sep 12, 2018 5:53 am

The South Falls wrote:
Albrenia wrote:
This, basically, all joking aside.

Well, there will be constraints.

Yeah man, the Eurocops are gonna arrest everyone who pronounces it "maymay" because the fifth month is the property of some calendar publisher.
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