Conservation VS Herclivation

[Xerographica]

It's neither. Are you going to argue that Nature doesn't want us to colonize space?

Again, nature doesn't want things.

I'll pull a Bombadil... define nature.

[Salandriagado]

Again, nature doesn't want things.

I'll pull a Bombadil... define nature.

No, you need to do that. You're the one assigning motives to it.

[Albrenia]

Again, nature doesn't want things.

I'll pull a Bombadil... define nature.

It would be hard to define nature in a way that it wants anything. Be that the natural state of things, the ecosystem, mystical 'balance', or the natural laws of the universe.

None of them want anything any more than my chair wants me to sit in it.

[The Holy Therns]

Again, nature doesn't want things.

I'll pull a Bombadil... define nature.

The sum of the world. Generally when I say it I'm more specifically referring to the sum of flora, fauna, geology and weather on this planet. It's just the sum of several factors. It does not want things.

I'm now suspecting the phrase "collective brain" is marching with ill-deserved confidence in the direction of this discussion.

[Dogmeat]

I'll pull a Bombadil... define nature.

It would be hard to define nature in a way that it wants anything. Be that the natural state of things, the ecosystem, mystical 'balance', or the natural laws of the universe.

None of them want anything any more than my chair wants me to sit in it.

As a lapdog, I firmly believe my chair wants me to sit in it.

[Albrenia]

It would be hard to define nature in a way that it wants anything. Be that the natural state of things, the ecosystem, mystical 'balance', or the natural laws of the universe.

None of them want anything any more than my chair wants me to sit in it.

As a lapdog, I firmly believe my chair wants me to sit in it.

In your case, your chair may well be a person who probably does want it. So I approve.

[Albrenia]

I'm now suspecting the phrase "collective brain" is marching with ill-deserved confidence in the direction of this discussion.

I think you may be right...

[Xerographica]

I'll pull a Bombadil... define nature.

It would be hard to define nature in a way that it wants anything. Be that the natural state of things, the ecosystem, mystical 'balance', or the natural laws of the universe.

None of them want anything any more than my chair wants me to sit in it.

There's a difference between your chair and a tree. The tree is alive... the chair not so much. This means that your chair doesn't want anything while the tree does. What the tree wants is to colonize everywhere. This is what all living things want... so this is exactly what nature wants. Now is a rock a part of nature? I suppose, but then I'm referring to the part of nature that's alive. Like I said in the OP... life is synonymous with colonization. What I didn't say in the OP is that life is the most important part of nature. But this should really go without saying.

[Xerographica]

We do not think nationally because the facts that count are not systematically reported and presented in a form we can digest. Our most abysmal ignorance occurs where we deal with the immigrant. If we read his press at all, it is to discover ‘Bolshevism’ in it and to blacken all immigrants with suspicion. For his culture and his aspirations, for his high gifts of hope and variety, we have neither eyes nor ears. The immigrant colonies are like holes in the road which we never notice until we trip over them. Then, because we have no current information and no background of facts, we are, of course, the undiscriminating objects of any agitator who choose to rant against ‘foreigners.’ - Walter Lippmann, The Basic Problem of Democracy

[Pope Joan]

I like the idea. I think it is foolish to try to poison whole lakes of fish because they contain a species not native to the area, and yet this has been done in the Adirondacks. And the fish was not harmful,

There is a mad Earl in northern England who (along with his staff) shoots grey squirrels because he only tolerates the native red ones. Nut to that.

[Albrenia]

I like the idea. I think it is foolish to try to poison whole lakes of fish because they contain a species not native to the area, and yet this has been done in the Adirondacks. And the fish was not harmful,

There is a mad Earl in northern England who (along with his staff) shoots grey squirrels because he only tolerates the native red ones. Nut to that.

Considering the red ones are being driven out of their natural habitat by the greys, that's not really unreasonable.

[Costa Fierro]

I like the idea. I think it is foolish to try to poison whole lakes of fish because they contain a species not native to the area, and yet this has been done in the Adirondacks. And the fish was not harmful,

There is a mad Earl in northern England who (along with his staff) shoots grey squirrels because he only tolerates the native red ones. Nut to that.

Considering the red ones are being driven out of their natural habitat by the greys, that's not really unreasonable.

If Pope Joan finds dislikes poisoning lakes of fish, wait until he finds out what we do here in New Zealand and Australia.

[The Two Jerseys]

Considering the red ones are being driven out of their natural habitat by the greys, that's not really unreasonable.

If Pope Joan finds dislikes poisoning lakes of fish, wait until he finds out what we do here in New Zealand and Australia.

You mean things like sending in the army to hunt emus with machine guns?

[Albrenia]

If Pope Joan finds dislikes poisoning lakes of fish, wait until he finds out what we do here in New Zealand and Australia.

You mean things like sending in the army to hunt emus with machine guns?

Yeah, we lost that war, which is hilarious.

Although we've tried to cull pests and invasive species in some pretty... uh... creative ways. Getting everyone to start beating toads with sticks, spreading plagues, and so on.

[Costa Fierro]

If Pope Joan finds dislikes poisoning lakes of fish, wait until he finds out what we do here in New Zealand and Australia.

You mean things like sending in the army to hunt emus with machine guns?

I'm more referencing the dropping of poisons in conservation areas to kill off invasive pests.

Yeah, we lost that war, which is hilarious.

Although we've tried to cull pests and invasive species in some pretty... uh... creative ways. Getting everyone to start beating toads with sticks, spreading plagues, and so on.

We have Easter Rabbit Hunts in some parts of the South Island where the goal is to go out and shoot as many rabbits as possible. There was also some controversy up north with regards to something involving possums too.

[Albrenia]

You mean things like sending in the army to hunt emus with machine guns?

I'm more referencing the dropping of poisons in conservation areas to kill off invasive pests.

Yeah, we lost that war, which is hilarious.

Although we've tried to cull pests and invasive species in some pretty... uh... creative ways. Getting everyone to start beating toads with sticks, spreading plagues, and so on.

We have Easter Rabbit Hunts in some parts of the South Island where the goal is to go out and shoot as many rabbits as possible. There was also some controversy up north with regards to something involving possums too.

Yeah, the animal lover in me squirms at some of the measures taken, but letting invasive species basically kill off the natural wildlife is even worse.

[Costa Fierro]

Yeah, the animal lover in me squirms at some of the measures taken, but letting invasive species basically kill off the natural wildlife is even worse.

I usually wouldn't hurt a fly (wasps are an exception, I happily kill the bastards with reckless abandon), but I too understand that the methods used are necessary evils. We have the technology and the opportunity to save these species, why not do it while we can.

[Salandriagado]

It would be hard to define nature in a way that it wants anything. Be that the natural state of things, the ecosystem, mystical 'balance', or the natural laws of the universe.

None of them want anything any more than my chair wants me to sit in it.

There's a difference between your chair and a tree. The tree is alive... the chair not so much. This means that your chair doesn't want anything while the tree does. What the tree wants is to colonize everywhere. This is what all living things want... so this is exactly what nature wants. Now is a rock a part of nature? I suppose, but then I'm referring to the part of nature that's alive. Like I said in the OP... life is synonymous with colonization. What I didn't say in the OP is that life is the most important part of nature. But this should really go without saying.

Trees don't want things. They don't have brains.

[Galloism]

There's a difference between your chair and a tree. The tree is alive... the chair not so much. This means that your chair doesn't want anything while the tree does. What the tree wants is to colonize everywhere. This is what all living things want... so this is exactly what nature wants. Now is a rock a part of nature? I suppose, but then I'm referring to the part of nature that's alive. Like I said in the OP... life is synonymous with colonization. What I didn't say in the OP is that life is the most important part of nature. But this should really go without saying.

Trees don't want things. They don't have brains.

Does your dendrophobia know no bounds?

[The Holy Therns]

Trees don't want things. They don't have brains.

Does your dendrophobia know no bounds?

It's okay, trees are too dumb to be offended.

[Xerographica]

There's a difference between your chair and a tree. The tree is alive... the chair not so much. This means that your chair doesn't want anything while the tree does. What the tree wants is to colonize everywhere. This is what all living things want... so this is exactly what nature wants. Now is a rock a part of nature? I suppose, but then I'm referring to the part of nature that's alive. Like I said in the OP... life is synonymous with colonization. What I didn't say in the OP is that life is the most important part of nature. But this should really go without saying.

Trees don't want things. They don't have brains.

Do organisms want to reproduce?

[Galloism]

Does your dendrophobia know no bounds?

It's okay, trees are too dumb to be offended.

Clearly, the studies involved in testing this were done by scientists with an agenda.

#barklivesmatter

Trees don't want things. They don't have brains.

Do organisms want to reproduce?

Some do.

[Xerographica]

Do organisms want to reproduce?

Some do.

Are there any species that don't want to reproduce?

[Galloism]

Some do.

Are there any species that don't want to reproduce?

Most, actually, do not have sufficient cognitive function to "want" or "not want" anything - including wanting to reproduce.

[Xerographica]

Are there any species that don't want to reproduce?

Most, actually, do not have sufficient cognitive function to "want" or "not want" anything - including wanting to reproduce.

How much cognitive function is required in order to want something?