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US threatens to arrest ICC judges for Afghan war crimes

Postby Avidius Legion » Mon Sep 10, 2018 10:52 pm

White House National Security Advisor John Bolton called the Hague-based rights body "unaccountable" and "outright dangerous" to the United States, Israel and other allies, and said any probe of US service members would be "an utterly unfounded, unjustifiable investigation."

"If the court comes after us, Israel or other US allies, we will not sit quietly," Bolton said.

He said the US was prepared to slap financial sanctions and criminal charges on officials of the court if they proceed against any Americans.

"We will ban its judges and prosecutors from entering the United States. We will sanction their funds in the US financial system, and we will prosecute them in the US criminal system," he said.

"We will do the same for any company or state that assists an ICC investigation of Americans," he said.

Bolton made the comments in a speech in Washington to the Federalist Society, a powerful association of legal conservatives.


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Thoughts? While I personally found this hilarious that the world superpower that claim to be committed to liberty, justice, and human right resort to straight to up use their power to threaten the international court when they're the one committing crime against humanity, it also concerning that the trump administration are so easy to abandon international institutions and the regime they uphold.
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Postby Albrenia » Mon Sep 10, 2018 10:54 pm

This should please the 'anti-globalist' crowd in Trump's camp. Anything which pointlessly screws over the rest of the world for no good reason much be good, right?

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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Mon Sep 10, 2018 10:58 pm

Daily reminder that we should bomb the Hague.
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Postby Olthar » Mon Sep 10, 2018 11:26 pm

With each passing year, I wish more and more that I had been born in a different country. I know this doesn't mean much, but I, as an American, apologize to the rest of the world. We dun fucked up.
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Postby Senator Huey Long » Mon Sep 10, 2018 11:41 pm

This sort of thing really begs the question on how exactly is America different from Russia when rogue states are concerned?
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Postby Aclion » Mon Sep 10, 2018 11:44 pm

Avidius Legion wrote:Thoughts? While I personally found this hilarious that the world superpower that claim to be committed to liberty, justice, and human right resort to straight to up use their power to threaten the international court when they're the one committing crime against humanity, it also concerning that the trump administration are so easy to abandon international institutions and the regime they uphold.

The US doesn't uphold the ICC. It withdrew from the Rome Statute over a decade ago, citing the lack of protection against corruption and politicization in the ICC and the fact that the US's standard of justice is already higher then the ICC's. What the ICC proposing (Kidnapping citizens to hold a nation to the terms of a treaty which they have not consented to) is in fact a violation of the Vienna Convention, a law which the Netherland has consented to. Further the idea that anything done by the US in the past 30 years meets the standards of gravity set by the Rome Statute is laughable.

Senator Huey Long wrote:This sort of thing really begs the question on how exactly is America different from Russia when rogue states are concerned?

The US prosecutes it's own war criminals while Russia does not.

Washington Resistance Army wrote:Daily reminder that we should bomb the Hague.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_ ... ection_Act Maybe we will.
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Postby The Greater Ohio Valley » Mon Sep 10, 2018 11:47 pm

John Bolton really needs to cool down his jingoism boner.
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Postby Dahon » Mon Sep 10, 2018 11:48 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:Daily reminder that we should bomb the Hague.


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Postby Dahon » Mon Sep 10, 2018 11:49 pm

Olthar wrote:With each passing year, I wish more and more that I had been born in a different country. I know this doesn't mean much, but I, as an American, apologize to the rest of the world. We dun fucked up.


You can begin to pay us back starting in the upcoming midterms.
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Postby LiberNovusAmericae » Mon Sep 10, 2018 11:51 pm

Olthar wrote:With each passing year, I wish more and more that I had been born in a different country. I know this doesn't mean much, but I, as an American, apologize to the rest of the world. We dun fucked up.

Apologizing for something you can't control makes no logical sense.

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Postby Dahon » Mon Sep 10, 2018 11:53 pm

LiberNovusAmericae wrote:
Olthar wrote:With each passing year, I wish more and more that I had been born in a different country. I know this doesn't mean much, but I, as an American, apologize to the rest of the world. We dun fucked up.

Apologizing for something you can't control makes no logical sense.


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Postby Aclion » Mon Sep 10, 2018 11:54 pm

LiberNovusAmericae wrote:
Olthar wrote:With each passing year, I wish more and more that I had been born in a different country. I know this doesn't mean much, but I, as an American, apologize to the rest of the world. We dun fucked up.

Apologizing for something you can't control makes no logical sense.
This is a person upset that their country doesn't allow a bunch of dutchmen to violate their right to due process. Why would you expect logic?
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Postby Oil exporting People » Mon Sep 10, 2018 11:54 pm

Olthar wrote:With each passing year, I wish more and more that I had been born in a different country. I know this doesn't mean much, but I, as an American, apologize to the rest of the world. We dun fucked up.


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Oil exporting People wrote:The door is to your left, please use it.

Imagine thinking that leaving a country for another is that easy.
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Postby LiberNovusAmericae » Mon Sep 10, 2018 11:55 pm

Dahon wrote:
LiberNovusAmericae wrote:Apologizing for something you can't control makes no logical sense.


What is an election?

What is the electoral college?

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Postby Aclion » Mon Sep 10, 2018 11:57 pm

Senator Huey Long wrote:
Oil exporting People wrote:The door is to your left, please use it.

Imagine thinking that leaving a country for another is that easy.

Just show up in the netherlands on a raft. If they don't let you live there it's kidnapping
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Postby Dahon » Mon Sep 10, 2018 11:57 pm

Oil exporting People wrote:
Olthar wrote:With each passing year, I wish more and more that I had been born in a different country. I know this doesn't mean much, but I, as an American, apologize to the rest of the world. We dun fucked up.


The door is to your left, please use it.


Is this a wild "How dare you criticize my Murica, traitor!" prowling the wilds?
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Postby Oil exporting People » Mon Sep 10, 2018 11:57 pm

Senator Huey Long wrote:
Oil exporting People wrote:The door is to your left, please use it.

Imagine thinking that leaving a country for another is that easy.


Imagine reading my post and mangling it that bad.
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Postby Albrenia » Tue Sep 11, 2018 12:00 am

Oil exporting People wrote:
Senator Huey Long wrote:Imagine thinking that leaving a country for another is that easy.


Imagine reading my post and mangling it that bad.


Imagine if we kept respond to each other with leading questions and imaginings.

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Postby Oil exporting People » Tue Sep 11, 2018 12:03 am

Albrenia wrote:
Oil exporting People wrote:
Imagine reading my post and mangling it that bad.


Imagine if we kept respond to each other with leading questions and imaginings.


Imagine the debate would be over before it began.
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Postby Aclion » Tue Sep 11, 2018 12:04 am

Albrenia wrote:
Oil exporting People wrote:
Imagine reading my post and mangling it that bad.


Imagine if we kept respond to each other with leading questions and imaginings.

Yes. I'm sure OP would appreciate it if someone other then me made a meaningful post :P
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Postby LiberNovusAmericae » Tue Sep 11, 2018 12:06 am

My view on the ICC is simple. We shouldn't allow Americans to be prosecuted in it because the U.S constitution States that the Supreme Court is the highest court in the land. I wouldn't arrest ICC judges, but I wouldn't listen to them either. Let them investigate, just don't extradite anyone.
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Postby Dooom35796821595 » Tue Sep 11, 2018 12:08 am

Washington Resistance Army wrote:Daily reminder that we should bomb the Hague.


Because screw all the war criminals outside American jurisdiction, right?
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Postby Dahon » Tue Sep 11, 2018 12:13 am

I'll just post this here as this mirrors my views on the matter:

Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States wrote:https://edition.cnn.com/2018/09/10/politics/us-bolton-icc-plo-intl/index.html

This is such meaningless posturing. Neither the US nor Israel have ratified the Rome Statute, so the ICC can only prosecute if the crimes were comitted on the territory of another state (say, Palestine) or if the Security Council issued a referral, which it will never do since the US had a veto there. I get that the US is not a party to the Rome Statute, but other countries want to wotk with the ICC. The US should not interfere with that sovereign choice, especially not with an organ that is solely based around punishing war criminals and genocidal maniacs.
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Postby Page » Tue Sep 11, 2018 12:13 am

No US government would ever extradite an American to the ICC anyway, any charge they might file would be only symbolic.

Besides, don't you know that anything America does is good by definition?

US assassinating its own citizens with drones: good
Russia assassinating its own citizens with poison: bad

US giving military support to the genocidal Saudi regime so they can kill kids in Yemen: good
Russia giving military support to murderous Assad regime: bad
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