Fantasy Classes are Real

[Archvenland]

I easily see myself being the class I play at fantasy games. A paladin that does not work for any government or religion, but rather brings the light to the beings that harmed the innocent, purging the world of foes that would do it wrong. I can openly see my paladin attacking North Korea and using light to purge and destroying the government. All corrupt officials, greedy wall street, gangsters and drug dealers, would not escape my righteous wrath.

[Ifreann]

Mages get their power through study and research. I can go to the EU and they'll set up and fund a research group to help me master my powers. I can have a team of very intelligent people figuring out how my power works and clever new ways to apply it. Priests or warlocks count on third parties for their power. They'll never be able to do more than what the gods allow them or what they can barter with demons for.


Because your thinking is limited. You do not seem to be able to conceive of using "combat" powers for anything but murdering innocent people that you have designated as enemies, and I cannot get over how disturbing it is that you seem to sincerely want to be able to murder people even if you would ultimately die yourself, but as I've already explained, fireballs can generate electricity, if I can turn people into sheep then I can learn to turn anything into anything else, and then I can just do things like turn my own stomach acid into a mana potion for infinite mana without having to wait for it to recover on its own. Eventually I'd be able to do literally anything.

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Yeah, no, you are completely wrong. Exceptional people already exist in the real world, and they don't get enslaved by the government or forced into experiments or killed to keep them from helping other governments. Real governments don't behave like cartoon villains. Usually.


Have you not played Warcraft? Magic is infinite. It regenerates.

You don't have enemies, why the fuck do you want to kill people so badly?

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It's the exact same thing. Rearranging atoms into another configuration. All I'd need to do is learn how, and researchers will be falling over themselves to help me learn.


Something you may not have noticed about the real world is that it isn't a video game. There is no "game balance" to reality.

What your describing would take many many lifetimes perhaps hundreds of years to even consider achieving a fraction of.

Remember, there is no academy with thousands of years of magical knowledge in this op. You, an inexperienced magic user has to figure it all out. It would likely take most of your life to even be able to figure out the high end feats of ancient mages (real masters). What your suggesting (ex infinite mana regeneration, generating nukes from scratch) would take many many generations of high end mages (people who literally do nothing but study/work magic and benefit from the recorded works of generations of masters before).

No, it wouldn't. Turning a person into a sheep and turning water into rare Earth metals is the same thing. You don't need generations of research and learning to use a hammer to hit something other than a nail.

Without that in place, what your suggesting is like having a complete amateur go from simple algebra to super high end calculus in one lifetime with no works to draw from and no hints.

But I don't have learn any of this alone. I can get help from very intelligent people with all manner of tools to study my powers and learn how they work. I know that you think the government would kidnap and experiment on me and force me to work for them, but that's stupid. The Manhattan Project wasn't a team of people working at gunpoint and having their brains dissected.

[Internationalist Bastard]

Paladin, mainly because its my main character in WoW since i started it again the other week and its fun. I also like helping people so being able to heal people that get hurt but also fuck people up with a giants sparkly hammer sounds good too. Then again, we live in a world with guns and shit so i probably wont be doing the latter that much. And if i dont get nabbed by the police or government agents for having a fuck ton of special powers ill most likely just be in the Royal Hospital here in belfast helping heal people in my spare time.

Also i like that you literally just lifted the class descriptions from world of warcraft's site.

I always thought paladins in the modern day would be awesome. In walks a soldier with a holy symbol painted on his helmet, firing blessed NATO standards into a horde of the undead

[Tretiy Rim]

Paladin!

DEUS VULT!

[Internationalist Bastard]

I easily see myself being the class I play at fantasy games. A paladin that does not work for any government or religion, but rather brings the light to the beings that harmed the innocent, purging the world of foes that would do it wrong. I can openly see my paladin attacking North Korea and using light to purge and destroying the government. All corrupt officials, greedy wall street, gangsters and drug dealers, would not escape my righteous wrath.

If I can be a paladin without religious affiliation can I make my god the UN?

[The Supreme Magnificent High Swaglord]

I easily see myself being the class I play at fantasy games. A paladin that does not work for any government or religion, but rather brings the light to the beings that harmed the innocent, purging the world of foes that would do it wrong. I can openly see my paladin attacking North Korea and using light to purge and destroying the government. All corrupt officials, greedy wall street, gangsters and drug dealers, would not escape my righteous wrath.

Paladin, mainly because its my main character in WoW since i started it again the other week and its fun. I also like helping people so being able to heal people that get hurt but also fuck people up with a giants sparkly hammer sounds good too. Then again, we live in a world with guns and shit so i probably wont be doing the latter that much. And if i dont get nabbed by the police or government agents for having a fuck ton of special powers ill most likely just be in the Royal Hospital here in belfast helping heal people in my spare time.

Also i like that you literally just lifted the class descriptions from world of warcraft's site.

I always thought paladins in the modern day would be awesome. In walks a soldier with a holy symbol painted on his helmet, firing blessed NATO standards into a horde of the undead

Wait, if Paladins can smite evil beings, do dictators and criminals and such count as "evil" for that purpose?

[The New California Republic]

Do demons count as non-magical? If they are, that means there are some buff demons wandering around unchaperoned? Or are demons not classed as people?

Seducer of buff demons. Closest thing to that would be...Warlock...probably...?

What does a seducer of demons do when there are demons wandering the Earth?

Demons are magical. However, there are demons that can take forms that are very appealing to the human eye (and yes they would cater to all orientations).

Only warlocks can summon these demons.

Then sign me up as a perverse demon-summoning-and-seducing warlock then.

[The Blaatschapen]

Maybe you couldn't. Just cause all mages before me have limited their skills to making campfires doesn't mean I have to.
Even going off your OP I have control over fire and ice, I have the ability to create forcefields (create matter/energy), and can modify material on the atomic level (change people into sheep).
Not only that, but I have the ability to manipulate space/time (portals), and affect and influence the minds of others.

I'm not going to waste by time throwing mere chunks of ice and balls of fire at people. I have the ability to fundamentally change the world I live in.

Turning people into sheep is one thing... creating a fully functional nuclear bomb from thin air is on a whole new level.

For the sake of balancing the classes, I meant for Magic to be read restrictively (i.e. it says mages can launch fireballs so they can, if it doesn't say Priests can do it then Priests can't) and purposively (i.e. Priests and Druids both have healing but since Priests are more "all about" healing then their healing is far more advanced and powerful then what a Druid could do in that aspect... in the same sense, the Priests offensive powers would be less).

And all forms of magic require considerable energy expenditure. So for instance... you can't keep casting spells until the whole US Army is dead.

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And again, while you can generate magical force fields they aren't up all the time and they take quite a lot of energy to keep up. A non-magic user like a Rogue can still kill you from thousands of miles away with a sniper for instance...

If we're going to transform people into sheep, can we start with Katy Perry please?

[Tretiy Rim]

I easily see myself being the class I play at fantasy games. A paladin that does not work for any government or religion, but rather brings the light to the beings that harmed the innocent, purging the world of foes that would do it wrong. I can openly see my paladin attacking North Korea and using light to purge and destroying the government. All corrupt officials, greedy wall street, gangsters and drug dealers, would not escape my righteous wrath.

I always thought paladins in the modern day would be awesome. In walks a soldier with a holy symbol painted on his helmet, firing blessed NATO standards into a horde of the undead

Wait, if Paladins can smite evil beings, do dictators and criminals and such count as "evil" for that purpose?

No. Evil is defined by how you treat others, not how much power you hold or what laws you break.

[Internationalist Bastard]

I easily see myself being the class I play at fantasy games. A paladin that does not work for any government or religion, but rather brings the light to the beings that harmed the innocent, purging the world of foes that would do it wrong. I can openly see my paladin attacking North Korea and using light to purge and destroying the government. All corrupt officials, greedy wall street, gangsters and drug dealers, would not escape my righteous wrath.

I always thought paladins in the modern day would be awesome. In walks a soldier with a holy symbol painted on his helmet, firing blessed NATO standards into a horde of the undead

Wait, if Paladins can smite evil beings, do dictators and criminals and such count as "evil" for that purpose?

*loads marksman rifle*
Deus Vult

[Tretiy Rim]

Demons are magical. However, there are demons that can take forms that are very appealing to the human eye (and yes they would cater to all orientations).

Only warlocks can summon these demons.

Then sign me up as a perverse demon-summoning-and-seducing warlock then.

*smiting intensifies*

[Tretiy Rim]

Wait, if Paladins can smite evil beings, do dictators and criminals and such count as "evil" for that purpose?

*loads marksman rifle*
Deus Vult

Deus does NOT vult, you corrupt heretic! Stop abusing your RIGHTEOUS position to push your political agendas!

[Internationalist Bastard]

Wait, if Paladins can smite evil beings, do dictators and criminals and such count as "evil" for that purpose?

No. Evil is defined by how you treat others, not how much power you hold or what laws you break.

So dictators. I’d get a buff against Kim Jeong Un

[The New California Republic]

Stephen Hawking wasn't magic, nor did he cause monsters to spawn all over the world.

Sure he did. The monster of religious disbelief...

Oh wait, that monster has been gaining strength for decades and centuries now, silly me(!)

[Tretiy Rim]

No. Evil is defined by how you treat others, not how much power you hold or what laws you break.

So dictators. I’d get a buff against Kim Jeong Un

Dictators are not always evil, so no, not dictators. Kim Jong-Un is an exception.

[Internationalist Bastard]

*loads marksman rifle*
Deus Vult

Deus does NOT vult, you corrupt heretic! Stop abusing your RIGHTEOUS position to push your political agendas!

It’s not my political agenda
I’m serving my god, Antonio Guterres

[The Supreme Magnificent High Swaglord]

I easily see myself being the class I play at fantasy games. A paladin that does not work for any government or religion, but rather brings the light to the beings that harmed the innocent, purging the world of foes that would do it wrong. I can openly see my paladin attacking North Korea and using light to purge and destroying the government. All corrupt officials, greedy wall street, gangsters and drug dealers, would not escape my righteous wrath.

If I can be a paladin without religious affiliation can I make my god the UN?

I mean, in my D&D campaign divine magic is (actually) powered by beliefs in ideas and concepts, and in my Gilded-Age-America-esque setting there are "clerics" of the various ideologies in the world.

Wait, if Paladins can smite evil beings, do dictators and criminals and such count as "evil" for that purpose?

No. Evil is defined by how you treat others, not how much power you hold or what laws you break.

I was referring to truly vile dictators and criminals; for example: a dictator who abuses their authority over the state, regularly extrajudicially killing their subjects with little provocation (Or using their secret police to do so), or a criminal who serially slaughters children.

[The New California Republic]

Turning people into sheep is one thing... creating a fully functional nuclear bomb from thin air is on a whole new level.

For the sake of balancing the classes, I meant for Magic to be read restrictively (i.e. it says mages can launch fireballs so they can, if it doesn't say Priests can do it then Priests can't) and purposively (i.e. Priests and Druids both have healing but since Priests are more "all about" healing then their healing is far more advanced and powerful then what a Druid could do in that aspect... in the same sense, the Priests offensive powers would be less).

And all forms of magic require considerable energy expenditure. So for instance... you can't keep casting spells until the whole US Army is dead.

...

And again, while you can generate magical force fields they aren't up all the time and they take quite a lot of energy to keep up. A non-magic user like a Rogue can still kill you from thousands of miles away with a sniper for instance...

If we're going to transform people into sheep, can we start with Katy Perry please?

I could turn you into a sexy man with my warlock powers instead if you'd like, then you'd be able to be with her as she currently is...?

[Tretiy Rim]

Deus does NOT vult, you corrupt heretic! Stop abusing your RIGHTEOUS position to push your political agendas!

It’s not my political agenda
I’m serving my god, Antonio Guterres

H E R E S Y

No. Evil is defined by how you treat others, not how much power you hold or what laws you break.

I was referring to truly vile dictators and criminals; for example: a dictator who abuses their authority over the state, regularly extrajudicially killing their subjects with little provocation (Or using their secret police to do so), or a criminal who serially slaughters children.

Oh well in that case yeah, they're evil.

[Internationalist Bastard]

It’s not my political agenda
I’m serving my god, Antonio Guterres

H E R E S Y

I was referring to truly vile dictators and criminals; for example: a dictator who abuses their authority over the state, regularly extrajudicially killing their subjects with little provocation (Or using their secret police to do so), or a criminal who serially slaughters children.

Well I’m far more loyal to Ban-Ki Moon but our god changes every few years
Oh well in that case yeah, they're evil.

[Ifreann]

Just because it's magic doens't mean it's completely devoid of logic. If we can study why and how this method does what it does, what we can do with it can be expanded beyond mere sheep transformations.
The fac tof the matter is that this spell is fundamentally tranforming an object on the atomic level, by necessity. If we can learn the hows and whys, we will no longer be as restricted.

That's the problem with magical RPG settings, they have to remain stagnant to keep a consistent universe for the plot to take place in. But we aren't in an RPG. As per the OP, we're IRL.
We don't have a plot to follow, so why stagnate?

A number of reasons

1. Realistically, since you don’t have the existing guidance/recorded works of previous masters it would likely take you a good chunk of your life to even have the chance of replicating the high end feats of ancient masters ... any thought of moving beyond that requires more time then you have (likely generations)... hence talk of conjuring fighter jets from thin air or blocking emails with your mind is simply not in the reach (and just as mages would fave these issues... so would warlocks, druids, shamans etc)

2. The concern of combat and appeal balance between classes. Magic has to be read narrowly and restricvely to give the classes a bone.

Video games have to be balanced. The real world doesn't.

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And we know that governments today would do that, because they kidnapped Stephen Hawking and experimented on him and forced him to work for them.



Oh, wait, no, that didn't happen. Hmmm.

Stephen Hawking wasn't magic, nor did he cause monsters to spawn all over the world.

He was exceptionally intelligent, and somehow the governments of the world never decided to kill him to keep him out of the hands of their rivals. So why would something different happen with 200 magic users? Because that's what happens in works of fiction?

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I easily see myself being the class I play at fantasy games. A paladin that does not work for any government or religion, but rather brings the light to the beings that harmed the innocent, purging the world of foes that would do it wrong. I can openly see my paladin attacking North Korea and using light to purge and destroying the government. All corrupt officials, greedy wall street, gangsters and drug dealers, would not escape my righteous wrath.

What could one person, even with a Paladin's powers, possibly do against the North Korean military? They have millions and millions of soldiers. They could just park a tank on you.

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Paladin, mainly because its my main character in WoW since i started it again the other week and its fun. I also like helping people so being able to heal people that get hurt but also fuck people up with a giants sparkly hammer sounds good too. Then again, we live in a world with guns and shit so i probably wont be doing the latter that much. And if i dont get nabbed by the police or government agents for having a fuck ton of special powers ill most likely just be in the Royal Hospital here in belfast helping heal people in my spare time.

Also i like that you literally just lifted the class descriptions from world of warcraft's site.

I always thought paladins in the modern day would be awesome. In walks a soldier with a holy symbol painted on his helmet, firing blessed NATO standards into a horde of the undead

Then it turns out that the Divine Shield that stops swords and arrows isn't up to stopping an IED. Oh dear.

[The Huskar Social Union]

Paladin, mainly because its my main character in WoW since i started it again the other week and its fun. I also like helping people so being able to heal people that get hurt but also fuck people up with a giants sparkly hammer sounds good too. Then again, we live in a world with guns and shit so i probably wont be doing the latter that much. And if i dont get nabbed by the police or government agents for having a fuck ton of special powers ill most likely just be in the Royal Hospital here in belfast helping heal people in my spare time.

Also i like that you literally just lifted the class descriptions from world of warcraft's site.

I always thought paladins in the modern day would be awesome. In walks a soldier with a holy symbol painted on his helmet, firing blessed NATO standards into a horde of the undead

If i got a gun and named it the hammer of the righteous would it count and fire spells as well as shoot bullets

[Esternial]

Be a druid and become the envy of all furries.

[Internationalist Bastard]

A number of reasons

1. Realistically, since you don’t have the existing guidance/recorded works of previous masters it would likely take you a good chunk of your life to even have the chance of replicating the high end feats of ancient masters ... any thought of moving beyond that requires more time then you have (likely generations)... hence talk of conjuring fighter jets from thin air or blocking emails with your mind is simply not in the reach (and just as mages would fave these issues... so would warlocks, druids, shamans etc)

2. The concern of combat and appeal balance between classes. Magic has to be read narrowly and restricvely to give the classes a bone.

Video games have to be balanced. The real world doesn't.

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Stephen Hawking wasn't magic, nor did he cause monsters to spawn all over the world.

He was exceptionally intelligent, and somehow the governments of the world never decided to kill him to keep him out of the hands of their rivals. So why would something different happen with 200 magic users? Because that's what happens in works of fiction?

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I easily see myself being the class I play at fantasy games. A paladin that does not work for any government or religion, but rather brings the light to the beings that harmed the innocent, purging the world of foes that would do it wrong. I can openly see my paladin attacking North Korea and using light to purge and destroying the government. All corrupt officials, greedy wall street, gangsters and drug dealers, would not escape my righteous wrath.

What could one person, even with a Paladin's powers, possibly do against the North Korean military? They have millions and millions of soldiers. They could just park a tank on you.

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I always thought paladins in the modern day would be awesome. In walks a soldier with a holy symbol painted on his helmet, firing blessed NATO standards into a horde of the undead

Then it turns out that the Divine Shield that stops swords and arrows isn't up to stopping an IED. Oh dear.

I’m not sure, is there a quantifiable amount of force it can hold up to?

[Internationalist Bastard]

If I can be a paladin without religious affiliation can I make my god the UN?

I mean, in my D&D campaign divine magic is (actually) powered by beliefs in ideas and concepts, and in my Gilded-Age-America-esque setting there are "clerics" of the various ideologies in the world.

No. Evil is defined by how you treat others, not how much power you hold or what laws you break.

I was referring to truly vile dictators and criminals; for example: a dictator who abuses their authority over the state, regularly extrajudicially killing their subjects with little provocation (Or using their secret police to do so), or a criminal who serially slaughters children.

That’s actually really cool
Do you mind if I borrow that concept?