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Postby Kernen » Sun Sep 09, 2018 6:26 pm

Joohan wrote:
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Sex between two consenting adults has such little impact on you that it is negligible.


It disparages my faith, it influences my children, it effects human reproduction.

Those are three pretty big influences right there.


Your faith, and the disparagement of the same, means fuck all to the rest of us.


Regardless of any caricature homosexual culture makes of mainstream culture (and I am willing to cede that it may, being born of counterculture), that something does not add to a culture doe not necessarily mean it harms it. In this case, I don't see how the acceptance of a previously marginalized population doesn't serve the underlying cultural tendency in Western culture to reject invidious discrimination.
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Postby Sahansahiye Iran » Sun Sep 09, 2018 7:22 pm

Joohan wrote:
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Sex between two consenting adults has such little impact on you that it is negligible.


It disparages my faith, it influences my children, it effects human reproduction.

Those are three pretty big influences right there.

If your faith is so weak that two guys or two girls engaging in consensual intercourse disparages it, maybe you need a new faith.
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Postby Sovaal » Sun Sep 09, 2018 7:38 pm

Joohan wrote:
Valgora wrote:
Sex between two consenting adults has such little impact on you that it is negligible.


It disparages my faith, it influences my children, it effects human reproduction.

Those are three pretty big influences right there.

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Postby Aboveland » Mon Sep 10, 2018 3:04 am

Joohan wrote:
Valgora wrote:
Sex between two consenting adults has such little impact on you that it is negligible.


It disparages my faith, it influences my children, it effects human reproduction.

Those are three pretty big influences right there.

It won't make you an atheist (unless you hate God for making gay people or something), it won't make your kids gay, because being gay isn't something you learn or catch, but are, and it doesn't affect human reproduction in any way apart from not affecting it in the slightest (plus, like we don't have enough humans already).
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Postby San Lumen » Mon Sep 10, 2018 12:26 pm

Joohan wrote:
Valgora wrote:
Sex between two consenting adults has such little impact on you that it is negligible.


It disparages my faith, it influences my children, it effects human reproduction.

Those are three pretty big influences right there.

If same sex marriage upset you so much than dont marry someone of the same sex. You don't turn gay because you chose to. Its not a choice.

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Postby Neutraligon » Mon Sep 10, 2018 8:40 pm

Aboveland wrote:
Joohan wrote:
It disparages my faith, it influences my children, it effects human reproduction.

Those are three pretty big influences right there.

It won't make you an atheist (unless you hate God for making gay people or something), it won't make your kids gay, because being gay isn't something you learn or catch, but are, and it doesn't affect human reproduction in any way apart from not affecting it in the slightest (plus, like we don't have enough humans already).

If you hate god for doing something how can you be an atheist?

That aside to the original poster if your faith has issues with something as benign as homosexuality it deserves to be disparaged. It can't make your kids gay since as far as we can tell homosexuality is innate. Finally source on it having any large effect on human reproduction, and then evidence that this effect is a negative one please.
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Postby Page » Mon Sep 10, 2018 9:59 pm

Neutraligon wrote:If you hate god for doing something how can you be an atheist?


You can't be, but a lot of Christians are under the impression that atheist means "someone who hates God." The irony is that in almost every Christian movie, the atheist villain is never actually an atheist but instead just a disillusioned theist who at the end says something like "God let my wife die of cancer that's why I'm an atheist!!" like yeah you were never an atheist in the first place.
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Postby Albrenia » Mon Sep 10, 2018 10:06 pm

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Neutraligon wrote:If you hate god for doing something how can you be an atheist?


You can't be, but a lot of Christians are under the impression that atheist means "someone who hates God." The irony is that in almost every Christian movie, the atheist villain is never actually an atheist but instead just a disillusioned theist who at the end says something like "God let my wife die of cancer that's why I'm an atheist!!" like yeah you were never an atheist in the first place.


Reminds me, I should watch God's Not Dead sometime, I need more Greek demigods converting to Jesus in my life.

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Postby Isilanka » Tue Sep 11, 2018 12:00 am

Neutraligon wrote:
That aside to the original poster if your faith has issues with something as benign as homosexuality it deserves to be disparaged. It can't make your kids gay since as far as we can tell homosexuality is innate.


That being said even if homosexuality was not innate, I don't see how it would be a problem. I''m not really comfortable with the argument that homosexuality is innate and not a choice (even if it's scientifically true) because I've always felt it could be used to say that homosexuality would be a problem if it was a choice.

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You can't be, but a lot of Christians are under the impression that atheist means "someone who hates God." The irony is that in almost every Christian movie, the atheist villain is never actually an atheist but instead just a disillusioned theist who at the end says something like "God let my wife die of cancer that's why I'm an atheist!!" like yeah you were never an atheist in the first place.


Yeah, I never understood that.
That and how movies like God's not dead essentially treat atheists as a big blob of people who are essentially mental clones and spend their times harassing christians. (actually God's Not Dead gets bonus points for being insulting both to atheists and muslims. And in fact even to christians, as the arguments used by the main character to "prove" the existence of God are incredibly lame.)
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Postby Albrenia » Tue Sep 11, 2018 12:02 am

Isilanka wrote:That and how movies like God's not dead essentially treat atheists as a big blob of people who are essentially mental clones and spend their times harassing christians. (actually God's Not Dead gets bonus points for being insulting both to atheists and muslims. And in fact even to christians, as the arguments used by the main character to "prove" the existence of God are incredibly lame.)


Bonus points for an atheist getting hit by a car and dying being considered a good thing by the movie. :lol:

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Postby Oil exporting People » Tue Sep 11, 2018 12:04 am

Katganistan wrote:I propose that people who don't like homosexuality should mind their business and stop obsessing about it.


I propose you get over the fact we won't mind our business, mainly because you removed that as an option and that there is no valid reason that in this society we not be allowed to have an opinion on something.
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Postby Oil exporting People » Tue Sep 11, 2018 12:05 am

San Lumen wrote:
Joohan wrote:
It disparages my faith, it influences my children, it effects human reproduction.

Those are three pretty big influences right there.

If same sex marriage upset you so much than dont marry someone of the same sex. You don't turn gay because you chose to. Its not a choice.


There is no proof of this and even if there was, the fact it is contrary to his faith is all the reason he needs.
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Postby Isilanka » Tue Sep 11, 2018 12:11 am

Albrenia wrote:
Isilanka wrote:That and how movies like God's not dead essentially treat atheists as a big blob of people who are essentially mental clones and spend their times harassing christians. (actually God's Not Dead gets bonus points for being insulting both to atheists and muslims. And in fact even to christians, as the arguments used by the main character to "prove" the existence of God are incredibly lame.)


Bonus points for an atheist getting hit by a car and dying being considered a good thing by the movie. :lol:


Being hit in slow motion. When I saw that, I expected the guy to have a near-death experience and finally convert, thinking God shoxwed him the way and saved his life but no, he just dies on the road.
Because God litteraly killing atheists is better gthan Him thrying to convince them to become christians, apparently.
At this point I fully expected the main character to turn towards the camera and say : "you see, kids ? Atheism kills. Do'nt be that man."
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Postby Page » Tue Sep 11, 2018 12:37 am

Oil exporting People wrote:
Katganistan wrote:I propose that people who don't like homosexuality should mind their business and stop obsessing about it.


I propose you get over the fact we won't mind our business, mainly because you removed that as an option and that there is no valid reason that in this society we not be allowed to have an opinion on something.


Is the government throwing homophobes in jail now?

You can have any opinion that you want, but you aren't entitled to having your opinion respected, nor can you expect to not be ostracized if your opinions are repugnant to the rest of us.
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Postby Oil exporting People » Tue Sep 11, 2018 12:41 am

Page wrote:Is the government throwing homophobes in jail now?


It says a lot about your position that you immediately lurch into logical fallacies from the get go.

You can have any opinion that you want, but you aren't entitled to having your opinion respected, nor can you expect to not be ostracized if your opinions are repugnant to the rest of us.


Which is exactly what those in favor of Homosexuality need to realize, thank you for putting it so.
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Postby Page » Tue Sep 11, 2018 12:49 am

Oil exporting People wrote:
Page wrote:Is the government throwing homophobes in jail now?


It says a lot about your position that you immediately lurch into logical fallacies from the get go.

You can have any opinion that you want, but you aren't entitled to having your opinion respected, nor can you expect to not be ostracized if your opinions are repugnant to the rest of us.


Which is exactly what those in favor of Homosexuality need to realize, thank you for putting it so.


Except you LOST. Mainstream society is cool with gay people and even conservatives are mostly over it outside of fundie Christian circles. Notice how you don't hear Republicans talk about marriage equality anymore?

The big, gay rainbow won and homophobia is extremely offputting these days even among much of the political right.

Even my Trump voting family members are cool with gay people. Trump himself doesn't even give a damn.
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Postby Dark Socialism » Tue Sep 11, 2018 12:53 am

Page wrote:
Oil exporting People wrote:
It says a lot about your position that you immediately lurch into logical fallacies from the get go.



Which is exactly what those in favor of Homosexuality need to realize, thank you for putting it so.


Except you LOST. Mainstream society is cool with gay people and even conservatives are mostly over it outside of fundie Christian circles. Notice how you don't hear Republicans talk about marriage equality anymore?

The big, gay rainbow won and homophobia is extremely offputting these days even among much of the political right.

Even my Trump voting family members are cool with gay people. Trump himself doesn't even give a damn.

This why we need muslim refugees.
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Postby Olthar » Tue Sep 11, 2018 12:54 am

Page wrote:
Oil exporting People wrote:
It says a lot about your position that you immediately lurch into logical fallacies from the get go.



Which is exactly what those in favor of Homosexuality need to realize, thank you for putting it so.


Except you LOST. Mainstream society is cool with gay people and even conservatives are mostly over it outside of fundie Christian circles. Notice how you don't hear Republicans talk about marriage equality anymore?

The big, gay rainbow won and homophobia is extremely offputting these days even among much of the political right.

Eeeeehhhhhhh. That's debatable. We may not be openly persecuted anymore, but mainstream media still has an incredible lack of gay representation, and most of what does exist is still only shallow tokenism. The battle is far from over.
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Postby Vassenor » Tue Sep 11, 2018 12:55 am

Dark Socialism wrote:
Page wrote:
Except you LOST. Mainstream society is cool with gay people and even conservatives are mostly over it outside of fundie Christian circles. Notice how you don't hear Republicans talk about marriage equality anymore?

The big, gay rainbow won and homophobia is extremely offputting these days even among much of the political right.

Even my Trump voting family members are cool with gay people. Trump himself doesn't even give a damn.

This why we need muslim refugees.


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I think the reasoning is that Muslim refugees are ostensibly more conservative and thus more homophobic than most westerners.
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Vassenor wrote: :eyebrow:

I think the reasoning is that Muslim refugees are ostensibly more conservative and thus more homophobic than most westerners.

Yeah, but refugees can't vote, so they won't influence public policy, anyways.
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Olthar wrote:
Senator Huey Long wrote:I think the reasoning is that Muslim refugees are ostensibly more conservative and thus more homophobic than most westerners.

Yeah, but refugees can't vote, so they won't influence public policy, anyways.


But we're required to think they can because it helps the fearmongering about them and how they want to force Shariah onto everyone everywhere.
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The Peoples Dominion of Torjthistan wrote:Why does this thread continue to exist?


Because it's fun to watch homophobes come to the horrifying realization that they are relics of a past age, and will never again wield significant influence?
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Tue Sep 11, 2018 2:26 am

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The Peoples Dominion of Torjthistan wrote:Why does this thread continue to exist?


Because it's fun to watch homophobes come to the horrifying realization that they are relics of a past age, and will never again wield significant influence?


I wouldn't be so certain of that.
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