Homosexuality and Culture

[Albrenia]

Also, the Church is well known for far greater sins than secular society - and covering up said sins to the very highest levels.

Arguments?
And what church you might referring to?

The Catholic Church is the main one.

The sins in question being the child abuse scandals, and the vast and storied history of the church covering it up and just shuffling priests out of the reach of the law. Not to mention the longer still history of greed and political ambition going back literally hundreds of years.

[Albrenia]

The Catholic Church is the main one.

The Catholic church has already been infiltrated long ago by Satan.

The sins in question being the child abuse scandals, and the vast and storied history of the church covering it up and just shuffling priests out of the reach of the law. Not to mention the longer still history of greed and political ambition going back literally hundreds of years.

You've just described things that happen in human society though. Even modern one. So what in what ways is the Church worse?

In that it seems to have, at least until very recently, actively covered up and supported the abusers.

Secular society, on the other hand, considers it a serious crime worthy of near life-destroying punishment. Rightly so, too.

[Albrenia]

In that it seems to have, at least until very recently, actively covered up and supported the abusers.

Nothing new here in societal terms. Do you even go out or watch any news?
I'm still waiting to hear what makes the Church a worse option than the current society we live in.

I edited my other post before, but I'll say it again here:

Secular society considers it a serious crime, the Church covers it up. So apparently those running the show in the Church do not consider it a crime worth punishing, if they protect the abusers from justice and shuffle them off elsewhere.

[Albrenia]

Secular society considers it a serious crime

So does the church, at least officially.

the Church covers it up

So does secular society. Or you think pedophilia (and even worse things) don't exist in "high" circles?

It certainly exists in some horrible corners of society, but secular society does not have a history of covering it up or hiding those criminals from justice. Secular society also includes the law enforcement who bring said scum to justice.

The same can be said of the Church when it actively turns priests found to have done the same sort of crimes over to the authorities for fair trial - also an excommunication if found guilty would be nice too.

We've strayed from the topic of gay people and their impact on culture though, so we should probably keep this derail from going too much longer.

[Minzerland II]

Not at all. The Church ultimately prevailed against Alexander VI, his reign ended and we’ve had many good Popes since.

Secular society is worse than the Church, literally a disgusting cesspool a lot of the time?

The current Pope said Atheists and pets can get into Heaven, which isn't really by the Bible last I checked. I mean technically possible if God's in a good mood, but not a rule of thumb.

Also, the Church is well known for far greater sins than secular society - and covering up said sins to the very highest levels.

And the Church shall survive Pope Francis, it’s guaranteed by Christ himself. And orthodox Catholicism seems to be more popular and on the rise, although my experience of that is limited to the internet, which probably includes many LARPers.

The greatest sins in human history have been committed outside of the Church, though, in secular society. The sins of the Church are really minuscule in comparison.

[Minzerland II]

Secular society is worse than the Church, literally a disgusting cesspool a lot of the time?

Arguments?

This is pretty disgusting if you ask me. Hollywood is pretty bad too.

[Soyuz Mladorrosov]

This is pretty disgusting if you ask me. Hollywood is pretty bad too.

Eughh, the only time where blatant exhibitionism is tolerated and even encouraged.

[Albrenia]

Arguments?

This is pretty disgusting if you ask me.

Not my cup of tea either, but as long as they're not hurting anyone or breaking any laws, I'm 100% fine with it.

Edited for the above post: The only time? Have you not seen any number of major spring or summer festivals where people get drunk, bare flesh and party?

[Soyuz Mladorrosov]

Not my cup of tea either, but as long as they're not hurting anyone or breaking any laws, I'm 100% fine with it.

Edited for the above post: The only time? Have you not seen any number of major spring or summer festivals where people get drunk, bare flesh and party?

Apart from parties at the beach, where people are dressed in their swimmers, no I haven't. Maybe a bare midriff.

[Albrenia]

It certainly exists in some horrible corners of society, but secular society does not have a history of covering it up or hiding those criminals from justice.

How do you know that?

The same can be said of the Church when it actively turns priests found to have done the same sort of crimes over to the authorities for fair trial - also an excommunication if found guilty would be nice too.

The Church has done these things before, but has also allowed some immoral people with now great influence to slip in. I agree that the whole institution of the Catholic Church dealing with these matters should be much stricter. They should also be more careful on the priests they select as upper Clergy.

To be fair, I don't know it, but from the evidence available publicly that seems to be the conclusion. There could be some great big Pizzagate conspiracy that I'm unaware of, but failing that, secular society as a whole seems to be more in favour of punishing offenders than shipping them off out of justice's hands.

[Minzerland II]

This is pretty disgusting if you ask me. Hollywood is pretty bad too.

Eughh, the only time where blatant exhibitionism is tolerated and even encouraged.

Hedonistic displays are not uncommon. And the toleration of even a single instance of this is disgusting.

Not my cup of tea either, but as long as they're not hurting anyone or breaking any laws, I'm 100% fine with it.

Edited for the above post: The only time? Have you not seen any number of major spring or summer festivals where people get drunk, bare flesh and party?

Apart from parties at the beach, where people are dressed in their swimmers, no I haven't. Maybe a bare midriff.

‘Dressed in their swimmers’

Can we even call it being ‘dressed’ anymore?

[Vassenor]

Not my cup of tea either, but as long as they're not hurting anyone or breaking any laws, I'm 100% fine with it.

These people have no shame and not even an ounce of Culture on what they do and how they do it. They behave like freaks, and so they are. But children, who are easily influenced, oftentimes happen to see these freaks. That's a bad influence.

You're right. Seeing straight couples holding hands and kissing is a horrible influence.

[Garden at 6th Mile Road]

It's not exactly cultural thing? I mean, Homosexuality is in almost every culture, every nation. Just that not many people come out of it for fear of repercussions, which shouldn't be the case.

I'm a straight dude, but whether you are a homosexual or not, I will treat you as equally as other people.

These people have no shame and not even an ounce of Culture on what they do and how they do it. They behave like freaks, and so they are. But children, who are easily influenced, oftentimes happen to see these freaks. That's a bad influence.

That's a dangerous way of thinking. Just because they are different doesn't make them a freak.

You're right. Seeing straight couples holding hands and kissing is a horrible influence.

Heh, speaking about that, I just saw two couples (on separate locations) kissing each other on my way home. Just... pointing that out, really.

[Vassenor]

You're right. Seeing straight couples holding hands and kissing is a horrible influence.

Straight couples don't organize parades to show/prove how deeply insecure they are. Straight couples don't behave like freaks. The traditional family is the one getting hit from all fronts, special snowflake.

Straight couples haven't had to deal with decades of open discrimination. They still don't.

Also not sure what I'm doing that's particularly snowflakey. Given the rest of your response I sense some projection.

[Vassenor]

Straight couples haven't had to deal with decades of open discrimination. They still don't.

Yes. Because straight couples are usually normal, balanced people who have no need to behave like clowns to advertise their degeneracy.

Also not sure what I'm doing that's particularly snowflakey. Given the rest of your response I sense some projection.

I don't know, showing everywhere your sexual preferences? This isn't a date site that I know of. Why do you feel the need to do that?

Where have I done that?

Also I'd certainly call the typical EDL or other White Nationalist rally degenerate.

[An Alan Smithee Nation]

Good old religious family values. All entirely healthy

[Vassenor]

Also I'd certainly call the typical EDL or other White Nationalist rally degenerate.

Then you don't know the meaning. Or you are trying to justify yourself. Do what you want. Just keep it to yourself and other pals of yours though and away from children.

Where have I done that?

Check your signature.

I know what my signature says. I wrote the damn thing, and there's nothing about sexual preferences in there.

And yes, how dare we show children that the world is more complex than you want.

[Albrenia]

Also I'd certainly call the typical EDL or other White Nationalist rally degenerate.

Then you don't know the meaning. Or you are trying to justify yourself. Do what you want. Just keep it to yourself and other pals of yours though and away from children.

Where have I done that?

Check your signature.

Uh... you do know gender identity and sexuality are entirely different things, right?

[Vassenor]

Good old religious family values. All entirely healthy

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Do pictures of normal happy families trigger you faggot?
You seem to prefer this in your life.
[imgsnip]

Do you always resort to stereotypes when challenged? And how is that different from what you see in a typical Brazilian carnival?

[Albrenia]

Good old religious family values. All entirely healthy

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Do pictures of normal happy families trigger you faggot?
You seem to prefer this in your life.

Might want to stop throwing slurs around. This isn't 4chan, and mods generally don't like that sort of flaming.

[Isilanka]

So now the word "degeneracy" is being thrown around.
That's just great, but I'm not surprised.
This thread was bound from the start to either become a fucking swamp of nauseating ideas or being simply locked down.

[Vassenor]

I know what my signature says. I wrote the damn thing, and there's nothing about sexual preferences in there.

And yes, how dare we show children that the world is more complex than you want.

Your "gender" and your orientation is a made up thing of these fucked up times. It's a meme. Biologically the genders are 2. You can try and make them 22. It won't matter, "trans".
Nothing complex here. Just mental illness and traumas. And I want my children away from this.

Oh hey, "biology says this". Which it actually very much doesn't.

[Vassenor]

Do you always resort to stereotypes when challenged? And how is that different from what you see in a typical Brazilian carnival?

"hurr durr muh stereotypes"
That's what you seem to call upon when someone plain reveals the degeneracy you support.

Such degeneracy. Wow.

[Vassenor]

Oh hey, "biology says this". Which it actually very much doesn't.

Do you have a peepy or a cunny?

In the words of John Oliver, it's none of your [beep]ing business. It is also nothing to do with the topic of this thread because as has been pointed out, gender is not sexuality.

[Vassenor]

Such degeneracy. Wow.

Nice photoshoot. When are they going to take the kid to their parades to show how "free" his dads are?

Do you have any responses that don't always come back to parades?

I mean I'm sorry if the idea of people living their lives in ways you do not personally approve of triggers you.