Homosexuality and Culture

[San Lumen]

To be fair you are not far wrong. Your comment is a little off-beam, sure, but not a million miles off. There are plenty of very intelligent LGBT people out there, but I do occasionally get concerned that it isn't celebrated as much as it should be by the community.

It doesn't really help that some of the major homosexual thinkers of the 20th Century--Ginsberg, Foucault, Barthes--wanted to abolish the age of consent. Less aberrant homosexual culture does seem to lack more intellectual representatives

And that is not supported by a majority of people either in the LGBT community or outside of it.

[Constitutional Technocracy of Minecraft]

Europe has a Muslim population of around 5%, which would increase to 7% using very liberal estimates if Europe completely opens its borders to migrants and assuming that every migrant trying to enter Europe is Muslim. If an Islamic takeover is ever attempted (which hinges on yet another assumption, that all Muslims in Europe are Islamists), then who would win: the 7% or the 93%?

Obviously the 97%, but reproduction rates will change the ratios over time, as would the number of Muslims coming in

1. As migrants and their descendants integrate into European society over the course of several decades, their birth rates come closer and closer to the European average. Even if birth rates remain constant forever, just because a child is born to Muslim parents does not mean that they will be Muslim as opposed to conversion to another religion or irreligion (tbh, organised religion itself is likely to be a global minority by 2100)

2. Can you even do maths? 100 - 7 = 93, not 97.

[San Lumen]

Obviously the 97%, but reproduction rates will change the ratios over time, as would the number of Muslims coming in

1. As migrants and their descendants integrate into European society over the course of several decades, their birth rates come closer and closer to the European average. Even if birth rates remain constant forever, just because a child is born to Muslim parents does not mean that they will be Muslim as opposed to conversion to another religion or irreligion (tbh, organised religion itself is likely to be a global minority by 2100)

2. Can you even do maths? 100 - 7 = 93, not 97.

and this is relevant to the thread how?

[Mardla]

It doesn't really help that some of the major homosexual thinkers of the 20th Century--Ginsberg, Foucault, Barthes--wanted to abolish the age of consent. Less aberrant homosexual culture does seem to lack more intellectual representatives

And that is not supported by a majority of people either in the LGBT community or outside of it.

Norms change. Upon their change is preceded by what the radical intellectuals are advocating

[San Lumen]

And that is not supported by a majority of people either in the LGBT community or outside of it.

Norms change. Upon their change is preceded by what the radical intellectuals are advocating

The age of consent is not going to be abolished anytime some. You seem to be implying LGBT people are pedophiles.

[Mardla]

Norms change. Upon their change is preceded by what the radical intellectuals are advocating

The age of consent is not going to be abolished anytime some. You seem to be implying LGBT people are pedophiles.

I am mere saying the avant-garde of sexual freedom advocates abolishing the age of consent, and has for some time.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_ ... nsent_laws

You say most gay people and gay rights activists don't support this. You're right of course, but gay rights is hardly the avant-garde anymore

[The New California Republic]

Cheers. I forget about the time difference.

No time difference, I live in California.

Just found it, I think. Section 1. And when he says Hegel "remains within ancient ontology", he includes, of course, ontology of Dasein, which was dialectical

Oh yes I see it, also in reference to "What these two thinkers (Plato and Aristotle) achieved has been preserved in various distorted and "camouflaged" forms down to Hegel's Logic."

My translation is slightly different from yours. Mine says rooted in ancient ontology, rather than remains. I am using the SUNY translation by Joan Stambaugh.

But thanks. Oh, and I live in Europe, not California.

To be fair you are not far wrong. Your comment is a little off-beam, sure, but not a million miles off. There are plenty of very intelligent LGBT people out there, but I do occasionally get concerned that it isn't celebrated as much as it should be by the community.

It doesn't really help that some of the major homosexual thinkers of the 20th Century--Ginsberg, Foucault, Barthes--wanted to abolish the age of consent. Less aberrant homosexual culture does seem to lack more intellectual representatives

Most of the other really intelligent and critical LGBT people that I personally know don't apply that intelligence and criticism to the issue of LGBT culture and identity. Nobody likes to stir the pot unfortunately. I occasionally discuss it with other people, but it needs a paper written about it to do it justice.

[San Lumen]

The age of consent is not going to be abolished anytime some. You seem to be implying LGBT people are pedophiles.

I am mere saying the avant-garde of sexual freedom advocates abolishing the age of consent, and has for some time.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_ ... nsent_laws

You say most gay people and gay rights activists don't support this. You're right of course, but gay rights is hardly the avant-garde anymore

and that petition went nowhere therefore what is your point?

[Neo Azati]

All I know is that the gay community has made gay people stupid, in the words of a gay man himself (Milo Yiannopoulos)

Milo Yiannopoulos is part of an vocal minority of gay people who targets other groups within the LGBTQ+ community. Not exactly the man I would go to for a reliable litmus test of the academics of the LGBTQ+ community.

[Geneviev]

All I know is that the gay community has made gay people stupid, in the words of a gay man himself (Milo Yiannopoulos)

No. Even if I disagree with the gay community they are not stupid. Definitely not.

[Sovaal]

All I know is that the gay community has made gay people stupid, in the words of a gay man himself (Milo Yiannopoulos)

So you have no direct experience?

[Kubumba Tribe]

The only difference is literally just the religious veneer put on it.

False. There's a good amount of differences in how they're governed.

Europe has a Muslim population of around 5%, which would increase to 7% using very liberal estimates if Europe completely opens its borders to migrants and assuming that every migrant trying to enter Europe is Muslim. If an Islamic takeover is ever attempted (which hinges on yet another assumption, that all Muslims in Europe are Islamists), then who would win: the 7% or the 93%?

Obviously the 97%

*93%

but reproduction rates will change the ratios over time, as would the number of Muslims coming in

Reproduction rwtes do change: it's really only the 1st generation and/or and generation immigrants that have high birth rates. After that, it mellows out to equal the rest of the native population. Also, hasn't the migration been slowing down?

[The South Falls]

All I know is that the gay community has made gay people stupid, in the words of a gay man himself (Milo Yiannopoulos)

Why the hell would you trust Milo Yiannopoulous for anything?

[The Anime Army]

All I know is that the gay community has made gay people stupid, in the words of a gay man himself (Milo Yiannopoulos)

Why the hell would you trust Milo Yiannopoulous for anything?

Why nott?

[Internationalist Bastard]

Why the hell would you trust Milo Yiannopoulous for anything?

Why nott?

I’ve literally never met anyone who takes him seriously
Most of his popularity is based in right wing meme culture

[Petrasylvania]

Why nott?

I’ve literally never met anyone who takes him seriously
Most of his popularity is based in right wing meme culture

Plus tokenism appeal for alt-righters.

[The South Falls]

Why the hell would you trust Milo Yiannopoulous for anything?

Why nott?

Do you trust Pepe for science?

[Internationalist Bastard]

I’ve literally never met anyone who takes him seriously
Most of his popularity is based in right wing meme culture

Plus tokenism appeal for alt-righters.

True, having a gay guy who agrees with them makes it seem like their more justified when complaining about gays

[Neo Azati]

Plus tokenism appeal for alt-righters.

True, having a gay guy who agrees with them makes it seem like their more justified when complaining about gays

"See? There's a gay guy who doesn't believe what 'scientists' have to say about sex and gender! Or anything else for that matter!"

[Bienenhalde]

Plus tokenism appeal for alt-righters.

True, having a gay guy who agrees with them makes it seem like their more justified when complaining about gays

Far-left gay activists say and do many absurd and outrageous things though. It really makes us regular LGBT folk look bad.

[Internationalist Bastard]

True, having a gay guy who agrees with them makes it seem like their more justified when complaining about gays

Far-left gay activists say and do many absurd and outrageous things though. It really makes us regular LGBT folk look bad.

Also true
But Milo definitely ain’t the guy I want representing anyone either

[Neo Azati]

True, having a gay guy who agrees with them makes it seem like their more justified when complaining about gays

Far-left gay activists say and do many absurd and outrageous things though. It really makes us regular LGBT folk look bad.

Depends on your definition of "far-left gay activist". If we're talking actual far-left gay activists, like, I'm a far-left gay activist because I'm an anarcho-socialist.

[Grenartia]

Has it ever occurred to you that perhaps some norms are toxic garbage that need to be done away with, and need to be resented?

Such as toxic masculinity?

Masculinity that is toxic is garbage, yes.

inb4 some sort of whinging about misandry: Not all masculinity is toxic.

[Mardla]

Such as toxic masculinity?

Masculinity that is toxic is garbage, yes.

inb4 some sort of whinging about misandry: Not all masculinity is toxic.

Sorta like toxic blackness vs non-toxic blackness, I guess

[Dranchund]

True, having a gay guy who agrees with them makes it seem like their more justified when complaining about gays

Far-left gay activists say and do many absurd and outrageous things though. It really makes us regular LGBT folk look bad.

As someone who is bi, THIS. I would argue that Neo-Individualists (I refuse to legitimize their claims to 'social justice') are a degenerative influence on culture. However, there is a massive difference culturally between 'LGBTQIABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ1234567890.......' and 'OK, so we're not gonna tell couples they can't marry based on what's between their legs'. Some negation is necessary for cultural evolution. I would argue the latter is one such example.

For those typing up a counter, I ask you this. 'when did you choose to be straight?' and the followup 'if not, would it be right for a hypothetical culture that was homosexual by default to deny you the right to marry your opposite-gendered S.O.?)