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Postby The South Falls » Fri Sep 07, 2018 7:40 pm

Joohan wrote:
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For the record, I used to be a Christian. I read the Bible cover-to-cover in two different English translations, and I've read the New Testament in Chinese. It's up to you whether or not you want to believe me or not.


Perhaps you did read it cover to cover - but it seems that you didn't understand it.

I digress though.

Are you wearing any dual fabric shirts? YOU DIDN'T UNDERSTAND THE BIBLE, HERETIC!
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Postby Dogmeat » Fri Sep 07, 2018 7:41 pm

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Dogmeat wrote:Why do people shower with body wash when they could jump in the bog with a dead sponge.

Because body wash is sterile.

So is in vitro. Whereas partners are a gamble.
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Postby Valgora » Fri Sep 07, 2018 7:42 pm

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Perhaps you did read it cover to cover - but it seems that you didn't understand it.

I digress though.

Are you wearing any dual fabric shirts? YOU DIDN'T UNDERSTAND THE BIBLE, HERETIC!

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Postby United Muscovite Nations » Fri Sep 07, 2018 7:42 pm

Conserative Morality wrote:
United Muscovite Nations wrote:Some people may be able to live without religion, but for society, increasing nihilism is a huge problem because it leads people to lose sight in the meanings of life, and to enter into despair, this is why we have had a rising suicide rate for such a long time.

Funny how that rise is most pronounced in America rather than in the comparatively far more godless Euroland, and how (comparatively) highly religious countries in Europe like Poland and Russia lead the continent in suicide rate.

>Russia
>highly religious
Not even in the slightest. People saying they're something on a survey doesn't mean anything.
Many of the European countries also have higher suicide rates than the United States. Moreover, if you look at the lowest suicide rates in the world, they're almost universally in very religiously-involved areas.
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Postby The Supreme Magnificent High Swaglord » Fri Sep 07, 2018 7:42 pm

Uxupox wrote:
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Brutalist architecture is the most beautiful architectural style/movement/tradition.

/sincerity


yea no. brutalist art is more akin to torture by vision.


I sincerely but respectfully disagree with your views on aesthetics:

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United Muscovite Nations wrote:
Ihury wrote:
Bertrand Russell would like to have a word with you.

Some people may be able to live without religion, but for society, increasing nihilism is a huge problem because it leads people to lose sight in the meanings of life, and to enter into despair, this is why we have had a rising suicide rate for such a long time.


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Postby Ihury » Fri Sep 07, 2018 7:43 pm

United Muscovite Nations wrote:
Ihury wrote:
Bertrand Russell would like to have a word with you.

Some people may be able to live without religion, but for society, increasing nihilism is a huge problem because it leads people to lose sight in the meanings of life, and to enter into despair, this is why we have had a rising suicide rate for such a long time.


This is rather off topic, but I can't help but feel like you're jumping to quite a few conclusions here.

The primary reason why the US has a rising suicide rate is multifactorial, as with all statistical trends. I'm not an American, but based on what I've read in the media, it seems that there are many things involved, such as a lack of understanding of mental health, bullying in schools, and (ironically) discrimination against homosexuals and transgendered people.

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I send the swarm, I send the horde


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Postby United Muscovite Nations » Fri Sep 07, 2018 7:43 pm

The Supreme Magnificent High Swaglord wrote:
Uxupox wrote:
yea no. brutalist art is more akin to torture by vision.


I sincerely but respectfully disagree with your views on aesthetics:

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United Muscovite Nations wrote:Some people may be able to live without religion, but for society, increasing nihilism is a huge problem because it leads people to lose sight in the meanings of life, and to enter into despair, this is why we have had a rising suicide rate for such a long time.


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Postby Uxupox » Fri Sep 07, 2018 7:43 pm

Uiiop wrote:
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uh. Jesus is existed. Don't think any kind of scholar worth his salt would refute that.

Would that mean Abraham Lincoln Vampire Hunter ain't fiction?


dunno. Lincoln was a bacon.

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Uxupox wrote:
uh. Jesus is existed. Don't think any kind of scholar worth his salt would refute that.

New York exists. By this logic the Marvel Universe is real.


Marvel universe is absolutely trash. DCU is superior in every single way.
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Postby Uxupox » Fri Sep 07, 2018 7:44 pm

The Supreme Magnificent High Swaglord wrote:
Uxupox wrote:
yea no. brutalist art is more akin to torture by vision.


I sincerely but respectfully disagree with your views on aesthetics:

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United Muscovite Nations wrote:Some people may be able to live without religion, but for society, increasing nihilism is a huge problem because it leads people to lose sight in the meanings of life, and to enter into despair, this is why we have had a rising suicide rate for such a long time.


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all that decay looks absolutely gorgeous. i can't wait till all those buildings get demolished and go turned to ash like what they deserve.
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Postby Dogmeat » Fri Sep 07, 2018 7:44 pm

United Muscovite Nations wrote:
Conserative Morality wrote:Funny how that rise is most pronounced in America rather than in the comparatively far more godless Euroland, and how (comparatively) highly religious countries in Europe like Poland and Russia lead the continent in suicide rate.

>Russia
>highly religious
Not even in the slightest. People saying they're something on a survey doesn't mean anything.
Many of the European countries also have higher suicide rates than the United States. Moreover, if you look at the lowest suicide rates in the world, they're almost universally in very religiously-involved areas.

Really? Because to me the thing that they all seem to have in common is that they're tropical paradises.
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Postby Ihury » Fri Sep 07, 2018 7:45 pm

Joohan wrote:
Ihury wrote:
For the record, I used to be a Christian. I read the Bible cover-to-cover in two different English translations, and I've read the New Testament in Chinese. It's up to you whether or not you want to believe me or not.


Perhaps you did read it cover to cover - but it seems that you didn't understand it.

I digress though.


Ah yes, the old "Apostate were never true Christians to begin with" argument. One of the oldest tricks in the book.

Somebody should make a drinking game out of all these stale arguments. Liver failure rates would punch straight through the roof.

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Postby The Supreme Magnificent High Swaglord » Fri Sep 07, 2018 7:45 pm

United Muscovite Nations wrote:
Conserative Morality wrote:Funny how that rise is most pronounced in America rather than in the comparatively far more godless Euroland, and how (comparatively) highly religious countries in Europe like Poland and Russia lead the continent in suicide rate.

>Russia
>highly religious
Not even in the slightest. People saying they're something on a survey doesn't mean anything.
Many of the European countries also have higher suicide rates than the United States. Moreover, if you look at the lowest suicide rates in the world, they're almost universally in very religiously-involved areas.


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The Republic, by Plato | Leviathan, by Thomas Hobbes | The Confucian civil service system of imperial China | The "Golden Liberty" elective
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Postby Uxupox » Fri Sep 07, 2018 7:45 pm

Dogmeat wrote:
United Muscovite Nations wrote:>Russia
>highly religious
Not even in the slightest. People saying they're something on a survey doesn't mean anything.
Many of the European countries also have higher suicide rates than the United States. Moreover, if you look at the lowest suicide rates in the world, they're almost universally in very religiously-involved areas.

Really? Because to me the thing that they all seem to have in common is that they're tropical paradises.


i wouldn't call Japan a tropical paradise by any means.
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Postby United Muscovite Nations » Fri Sep 07, 2018 7:46 pm

Ihury wrote:
United Muscovite Nations wrote:Some people may be able to live without religion, but for society, increasing nihilism is a huge problem because it leads people to lose sight in the meanings of life, and to enter into despair, this is why we have had a rising suicide rate for such a long time.


This is rather off topic, but I can't help but feel like you're jumping to quite a few conclusions here.

The primary reason why the US has a rising suicide rate is multifactorial, as with all statistical trends. I'm not an American, but based on what I've read in the media, it seems that there are many things involved, such as a lack of understanding of mental health, bullying in schools, and (ironically) discrimination against homosexuals and transgendered people.

We have had those problems for a long time, though. I do agree that we should adopt a more live-and-let-live attitude towards homosexuals and transgendered people, absolutely. I'm not trying to argue on Parkus' behalf, I disagree with him that homosexuality has contributed to the issues with out culture. I think a lack of Christian ethics and compassion has contributed to things like the bullying of people in schools and attacks on people with differing lifestyles.
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Postby The South Falls » Fri Sep 07, 2018 7:46 pm

Dogmeat wrote:
The South Falls wrote:Because body wash is sterile.

So is in vitro. Whereas partners are a gamble.

Have dogs undergone in vitro?
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Postby Conserative Morality » Fri Sep 07, 2018 7:47 pm

United Muscovite Nations wrote:>Russia
>highly religious
Not even in the slightest. People saying they're something on a survey doesn't mean anything.

Yes, the only religious estimation that matters is your subjective judgement of religion based primarily on what suits your argument best at the time. People don't know what they are. But you do. =^)
Many of the European countries also have higher suicide rates than the United States. Moreover, if you look at the lowest suicide rates in the world, they're almost universally in very religiously-involved areas.

If you look at the lowest suicide rates in the world, they're almost universally in countries where suicide is illegal. What a coincidence! I am sure, by the way, that you can explain why many of very religious countries in the world, like Guyana, Sierra Leone, Sri Lanka, Kazakhstan, top the motherfucking charts. :)

It's because they're not *really* religious, I'm sure!
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Postby Ihury » Fri Sep 07, 2018 7:47 pm

Uxupox wrote:
Dogmeat wrote:Really? Because to me the thing that they all seem to have in common is that they're tropical paradises.


i wouldn't call Japan a tropical paradise by any means.


As someone who visits Japan on a regular basis, I can confirm that if you close your eyes in summer, the cicadas and the humidity will have you think you're in the jungles of Brunei Darussalam.

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Postby Uxupox » Fri Sep 07, 2018 7:47 pm

Dogmeat wrote:
Uxupox wrote:
why would anybody do that we they have the natural option available.

Why do people shower with body wash when they could jump in the bog with a dead sponge.


well if you want to then sure. I on the other hand will take the most pleasurable rout available to me.
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Postby Ifreann » Fri Sep 07, 2018 7:48 pm

Ihury wrote:
United Muscovite Nations wrote:Some people may be able to live without religion, but for society, increasing nihilism is a huge problem because it leads people to lose sight in the meanings of life, and to enter into despair, this is why we have had a rising suicide rate for such a long time.


This is rather off topic, but I can't help but feel like you're jumping to quite a few conclusions here.

The primary reason why the US has a rising suicide rate is multifactorial, as with all statistical trends. I'm not an American, but based on what I've read in the media, it seems that there are many things involved, such as a lack of understanding of mental health, bullying in schools, and (ironically) discrimination against homosexuals and transgendered people.

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Into your house, into your bed
Into your streams, into your streets
Into your drink, into your bread
Upon your cattle, on your sheep
Upon your oxen in your field
Into your dreams, into your sleep
Until you break, until you yield
I send the swarm, I send the horde


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Postby The South Falls » Fri Sep 07, 2018 7:48 pm

United Muscovite Nations wrote:
Ihury wrote:
This is rather off topic, but I can't help but feel like you're jumping to quite a few conclusions here.

The primary reason why the US has a rising suicide rate is multifactorial, as with all statistical trends. I'm not an American, but based on what I've read in the media, it seems that there are many things involved, such as a lack of understanding of mental health, bullying in schools, and (ironically) discrimination against homosexuals and transgendered people.

We have had those problems for a long time, though. I do agree that we should adopt a more live-and-let-live attitude towards homosexuals and transgendered people, absolutely. I'm not trying to argue on Parkus' behalf, I disagree with him that homosexuality has contributed to the issues with out culture. I think a lack of Christian ethics and compassion has contributed to things like the bullying of people in schools and attacks on people with differing lifestyles.

I am Christian, and the militant Christians are the ones who attacked people with different life styles. THAT WAS THE CRUSADES.

Pot, meet kettle.
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Postby Conserative Morality » Fri Sep 07, 2018 7:48 pm

United Muscovite Nations wrote:We have had those problems for a long time, though. I do agree that we should adopt a more live-and-let-live attitude towards homosexuals and transgendered people, absolutely. I'm not trying to argue on Parkus' behalf, I disagree with him that homosexuality has contributed to the issues with out culture. I think a lack of Christian ethics and compassion has contributed to things like the bullying of people in schools and attacks on people with differing lifestyles.

A lack of Christian ethics has led to that.

When eras in which Christian ethics were the only accepted ethics had these problems to a far greater degree.

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Postby Dogmeat » Fri Sep 07, 2018 7:48 pm

Uxupox wrote:
Dogmeat wrote:Really? Because to me the thing that they all seem to have in common is that they're tropical paradises.


i wouldn't call Japan a tropical paradise by any means.

Lowest rate dear. Let's look at the top 5 lowest suicide rates by country:
1. Antigua And Barbuda
2. Barbados
3. Grenada
4. Brunei
5. Jamaica
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Postby Conserative Morality » Fri Sep 07, 2018 7:49 pm

Uxupox wrote:
Dogmeat wrote:Really? Because to me the thing that they all seem to have in common is that they're tropical paradises.


i wouldn't call Japan a tropical paradise by any means.

It's subtropical.
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Postby The South Falls » Fri Sep 07, 2018 7:50 pm

Dogmeat wrote:
Uxupox wrote:
i wouldn't call Japan a tropical paradise by any means.

Lowest rate dear. Let's look at the top 5 lowest suicide rates by country:
1. Antigua And Barbuda
2. Barbados
3. Grenada
4. Brunei
5. Jamaica

When you're smoking international herb, there's no time for death.
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Postby United Muscovite Nations » Fri Sep 07, 2018 7:50 pm

Conserative Morality wrote:
United Muscovite Nations wrote:>Russia
>highly religious
Not even in the slightest. People saying they're something on a survey doesn't mean anything.

Yes, the only religious estimation that matters is your subjective judgement of religion based primarily on what suits your argument best at the time. People don't know what they are. But you do. =^)
Many of the European countries also have higher suicide rates than the United States. Moreover, if you look at the lowest suicide rates in the world, they're almost universally in very religiously-involved areas.

If you look at the lowest suicide rates in the world, they're almost universally in countries where suicide is illegal. What a coincidence! I am sure, by the way, that you can explain why many of very religious countries in the world, like Guyana, Sierra Leone, Sri Lanka, Kazakhstan, top the motherfucking charts. :)

It's because they're not *really* religious, I'm sure!

I'll have to ask someone to find the poll again, but I was shown a poll about two months ago by a Russian friend of mine by Levada center, where only 12% of Russians believed in the resurrection of Christ, as opposed to 72% which identify as Russian Orthodox, so, yes, it does matter what people believe, as opposed to what they say they are in polls.

Also, suicide is illegal in almost every country.
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