Homosexuality and Culture

[Karajabakh]

Truly intelligent obedience tells us that things in life are objective. You cannot assign a subjective role to everything in society. We should be more traditionalist not because it is blind adherence but is rather the conclusion that hedonists who are willing to admit they're wrong come to.

Atavism is not progress.

Progress isn't always good. We tend to progress extremely quick in situations of war, such as WWI and WWII, both of which the human race jumped with technology. Technology should be carefully introduced, and not all technology is going to improve life, sometimes only make it easier, which is not necessarily better

[The New California Republic]

Honestly, Albrenia is right, we can take or leave your opinions, as they don't really affect us one jot.

Why ever converse if you don't change your opinions? You and that other fella aren't giving good points in retaliation (maybe because you don't have much or any). If you don't care, don't even bother. Both of you care, even if only a smidge. You desperately want me to be wrong but lack the resources to prove I am wrong.

I proved that you ridiculously conflated sexual orientation with fetish, so...

[Vassenor]

Atavism is not progress.

Progress isn't always good. We tend to progress extremely quick in situations of war, such as WWI and WWII, both of which the human race jumped with technology. Technology should be carefully introduced, and not all technology is going to improve life, sometimes only make it easier, which is not necessarily better

OK, and what does this have to do with the topic at hand? Throwing out random tangents isn't helping your point.

[Jebslund]

Truly intelligent obedience tells us that things in life are objective. You cannot assign a subjective role to everything in society. We should be more traditionalist not because it is blind adherence but is rather the conclusion that hedonists who are willing to admit they're wrong come to.

Source?

[Karajabakh]

Why ever converse if you don't change your opinions? You and that other fella aren't giving good points in retaliation (maybe because you don't have much or any). If you don't care, don't even bother. Both of you care, even if only a smidge. You desperately want me to be wrong but lack the resources to prove I am wrong.

If you think you are so smart, bring your points.

I've been, but apparently you are lacking in attention. Go back and read a bit. If you have anything I've not answered, go ahead and ask away. You can think I'm wrong and if I answer your question and it doesn't suit your fancy then I just suppose we're at an impasse.

[Karajabakh]

Source?

More or less, myself. I was once a hedon and I lived just for the moment and the highs of life and it became incredibly bland when I realized living in a constant state of that wasn't working. And anyone with half a brain can agree that there are things in life that are (and should be correctly perceived as) objective.

[The New California Republic]

If you think you are so smart, bring your points.

I've been, but apparently you are lacking in attention. Go back and read a bit. If you have anything I've not answered, go ahead and ask away. You can think I'm wrong and if I answer your question and it doesn't suit your fancy then I just suppose we're at an impasse.

You have said a bunch of nonsense that people have pointed out to be wrong, including but not limited to: that sex is just for procreation, and that sexual orientation is a fetish.

[Karajabakh]

Progress isn't always good. We tend to progress extremely quick in situations of war, such as WWI and WWII, both of which the human race jumped with technology. Technology should be carefully introduced, and not all technology is going to improve life, sometimes only make it easier, which is not necessarily better

OK, and what does this have to do with the topic at hand? Throwing out random tangents isn't helping your point.

I tend to do that, and I do apologize. I'm scatter brained at times.

But, it isn't necessarily off point. I was attacking your point of "Atavism is not progress" which as I read it, insinuates that progress is the sole goal in life.

[The New California Republic]

Source?

More or less, myself.

Using yourself as a source for your own claims that you are making is fucking ridiculous.

[Petrolheadia]

If you think you are so smart, bring your points.

I've been, but apparently you are lacking in attention. Go back and read a bit. If you have anything I've not answered, go ahead and ask away. You can think I'm wrong and if I answer your question and it doesn't suit your fancy then I just suppose we're at an impasse.

I answer to anyhting my piece of fucking shit tablet lets me answer to without crashing.

[Vassenor]

Source?

More or less, myself. I was once a hedon and I lived just for the moment and the highs of life and it became incredibly bland when I realized living in a constant state of that wasn't working. And anyone with half a brain can agree that there are things in life that are (and should be correctly perceived as) objective.

And the plural of anecdote is not data.

[Jebslund]

Source?

More or less, myself. I was once a hedon and I lived just for the moment and the highs of life and it became incredibly bland when I realized living in a constant state of that wasn't working. And anyone with half a brain can agree that there are things in life that are (and should be correctly perceived as) objective.

So, because it didn't work for YOU, it doesn't work for anyone ever? Are you God?

[Karajabakh]

I've been, but apparently you are lacking in attention. Go back and read a bit. If you have anything I've not answered, go ahead and ask away. You can think I'm wrong and if I answer your question and it doesn't suit your fancy then I just suppose we're at an impasse.

You have said a bunch of nonsense that people have pointed out to be wrong, including but not limited to: that sex is just for procreation, and that sexual orientation is a fetish.

Sex can be whatever you want it to be, but it should be for procreation. Don't mislabel your misunderstandings as me being wrong.

Also, the sexual orientation vs fetish is really just rhetoric. They were more or less one and the same in past centuries. Look into the etymology of both words, they have similar roots.

[Petrolheadia]

Source?

More or less, myself. I was once a hedon and I lived just for the moment and the highs of life and it became incredibly bland when I realized living in a constant state of that wasn't working. And anyone with half a brain can agree that there are things in life that are (and should be correctly perceived as) objective.

PIEce of advice - don't try to make the world forcibly happy with idiotic backlash ideas.

[Vassenor]

You have said a bunch of nonsense that people have pointed out to be wrong, including but not limited to: that sex is just for procreation, and that sexual orientation is a fetish.

Sex can be whatever you want it to be, but it should be for procreation. Don't mislabel your misunderstandings as me being wrong.

Also, the sexual orientation vs fetish is really just rhetoric. They were more or less one and the same in past centuries. Look into the etymology of both words, they have similar roots.

Just because you say something should be does not actually mean it is.

[Karajabakh]

More or less, myself. I was once a hedon and I lived just for the moment and the highs of life and it became incredibly bland when I realized living in a constant state of that wasn't working. And anyone with half a brain can agree that there are things in life that are (and should be correctly perceived as) objective.

So, because it didn't work for YOU, it doesn't work for anyone ever? Are you God?

Of course I'm no God. Do not attempt to strawman here. Do you not see the despair and misery in the eyes of many? Look onto the great majority. Depression is extremely rampant in first world countries (why would people with much of their needs taken care of be depressed?) and higher than murder, is suicide. I may just have a remedy, although I am not sure of it, it seems much preferable to what is currently going on.

[Petrolheadia]

More or less, myself. I was once a hedon and I lived just for the moment and the highs of life and it became incredibly bland when I realized living in a constant state of that wasn't working. And anyone with half a brain can agree that there are things in life that are (and should be correctly perceived as) objective.

So, because it didn't work for YOU, it doesn't work for anyone ever? Are you God?

He's better, he actually exists.

[Albrenia]

Sex can be whatever you want it to be, but it should be for procreation.

You keep saying this but never say why, besides appealing to nature but we long ago left what nature intended behind.

[Karajabakh]

More or less, myself. I was once a hedon and I lived just for the moment and the highs of life and it became incredibly bland when I realized living in a constant state of that wasn't working. And anyone with half a brain can agree that there are things in life that are (and should be correctly perceived as) objective.

PIEce of advice - don't try to make the world forcibly happy with idiotic backlash ideas.

You've still yet to say anything of significance. At least the others are bringing points that whether they believe or not I am refuting, we are having valuable conversation which is important. On the other hand, there is the exchange between me and you. Bring something up. I don't argue to be right.

[United lupin]

I don't know what to tell you. This doesn't change my opinion,I don't pander to the audience. Not everyone needs to be in a relationship. Simply having a romantic relationship isn't a 'must have' like much of society will say.

but straight relationships are essential and are the only valid option? seems to me that your opinion is very religious based, not everyone hold the same ideals.

[Karajabakh]

Sex can be whatever you want it to be, but it should be for procreation.

You keep saying this but never say why, besides appealing to nature but we long ago left what nature intended behind.

Nature is why we are alive. Maybe there is a reason why the more detached we become from nature, the more we see society being miserable. Just a tidbit of information for you to chew on. More is not always more.

[Petrolheadia]

So, because it didn't work for YOU, it doesn't work for anyone ever? Are you God?

Of course I'm no God. Do not attempt to strawman here. Do you not see the despair and misery in the eyes of many? Look onto the great majority. Depression is extremely rampant in first world countries (why would people with much of their needs taken care of be depressed?) and higher than murder, is suicide. I may just have a remedy, although I am not sure of it, it seems much preferable to what is currently going on.

And everybody tells you it isnt.

Just bugger off, domwhatever works for you and let others try the sa

[The New California Republic]

You have said a bunch of nonsense that people have pointed out to be wrong, including but not limited to: that sex is just for procreation, and that sexual orientation is a fetish.

Sex can be whatever you want it to be, but it should be for procreation. Don't mislabel your misunderstandings as me being wrong.

This is what you said earlier:

The sole reason humans seek romantic relationships is for procreation

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Also, the sexual orientation vs fetish is really just rhetoric. They were more or less one and the same in past centuries. Look into the etymology of both words, they have similar roots.

Have...have we entered a time warp and been thrown back in time? Why are you referring to outdated word definitions as if they are still valid? Fucking absurd.

[Karajabakh]

I don't know what to tell you. This doesn't change my opinion,I don't pander to the audience. Not everyone needs to be in a relationship. Simply having a romantic relationship isn't a 'must have' like much of society will say.

but straight relationships are essential and are the only valid option? seems to me that your opinion is very religious based, not everyone hold the same ideals.

Correct. And you're right, not everyone will hold the same ideal. This is why I am here. I am making an attempt to try and change minds. It might not work but on the off chance I've changed a single mind here today, grand.

[Karajabakh]

Of course I'm no God. Do not attempt to strawman here. Do you not see the despair and misery in the eyes of many? Look onto the great majority. Depression is extremely rampant in first world countries (why would people with much of their needs taken care of be depressed?) and higher than murder, is suicide. I may just have a remedy, although I am not sure of it, it seems much preferable to what is currently going on.

And everybody tells you it isnt.

Just bugger off, domwhatever works for you and let others try the sa

You're STILL not providing anything useful! Are you nothing more than a waste of flesh! Bring me arguments! I encourage you!