Homosexuality and Culture

[El-Amin Caliphate]

People have sex for lots of reasons, not just procreation

And it is extremely degenerate.

Sex during marriage because you love your spouse is degenerate?

[Liriena]

There's a ContraPoints video for every occasion. :3

I honestly haven't heard of him(?) until now

Her. And you're in for a treat. She's very good.

[Karajabakh]

What is the point of sex?

If the whole point of intercourse is reproduction why are we wired up to enjoy it even if that isn't the result?

"Why do we get pleasure from eating? why do we get pleasure from taking in lots of calories? Why do we get pleasure from working out?"

That is a very stupid retort. Sorry.

These things mentioned above are capable for survival. Sex is capable for offspring and our genetics making their way on beyond us. If we had 2 sets of neanderthals, one who did and one who didn't like sex, obviously the one who did like sex would produce more offspring. That is why.

[United lupin]

Homosexuality is indeed a stain on society. It removes traditional values which give people the essence to live. Believe it or not, but sex usually should have more meaning than simply pleasure. Homosexual sex is literally just a poor parody of regular sex.
Also, to those who say I should "mind my own business bigot!!!".

No.

It is constantly made my problem by preening homosexuals who deem it necessary to hold these gaudy events, perform degenerate acts, and push their hedonistic desires into everyone's business. I am no more or less minding my business than the homosexual community is. There is no reason churches should be forced to hold these ceremonies that blatantly go against their beliefs as well as businesses. Homosexuals have made it everyone's problem and then when people disagree with it they play victim.

Homosexuality is nothing more than a fetish. Just like a sick fetish, you should refrain from it, just as procreation should be for only people trying to have children, not people having sex just to have it for fun. The sole reason humans seek romantic relationships is for procreation, this is biology, and anyone with a half of a mind will agree with me.

Before people also start clamoring and throwing fingers my way and stating "well you're not perfect either!"

You're right. But I don't stick my desires in the face of society and then also constantly criticize society for not immediately bending to my will.

I was born and raised into a religion that demonized homosexuality and was taught all of it values, then I myself fund out that i was gay. i tried all kind of therapy to try and "fix myself." that was all bs. if was in a relationship with the opposite gender i would not function normally. you may think it just a "sick fetish" but it my reality. and also adoption.

[Petrolheadia]

If the whole point of intercourse is reproduction why are we wired up to enjoy it even if that isn't the result?

"Why do we get pleasure from eating? why do we get pleasure from taking in lots of calories? Why do we get pleasure from working out?"

That is a very stupid retort. Sorry.

These things mentioned above are capable for survival. Sex is capable for offspring and our genetics making their way on beyond us. If we had 2 sets of neanderthals, one who did and one who didn't like sex, obviously the one who did like sex would produce more offspring. That is why.

And sex is capable for a damn lot of fun.

[Karajabakh]

And it is extremely degenerate.

Sex during marriage because you love your spouse is degenerate?

Yes, it can be. Sex should only be for reproduction.That's not to say everyone is perfect. Even in my perfect society im sure plenty will be degenerates, however, society should know (and hopefully respect) that sex should be important, because eitherwise you end up having it in such a liberalized fashion like you do today; it is shoved in your face and virtually has no value.

[Vassenor]

If the whole point of intercourse is reproduction why are we wired up to enjoy it even if that isn't the result?

"Why do we get pleasure from eating? why do we get pleasure from taking in lots of calories? Why do we get pleasure from working out?"

That is a very stupid retort. Sorry.

These things mentioned above are capable for survival. Sex is capable for offspring and our genetics making their way on beyond us. If we had 2 sets of neanderthals, one who did and one who didn't like sex, obviously the one who did like sex would produce more offspring. That is why.

So we're stuck in the "but nature" loop. Which is not sound logic at all.

[The New California Republic]

What is the logical reasoning for a homosexual relationship? Try, just try to think beyond immediate flesh desires of simply having sex or cherishing someone for yourself.

Why does there need to be one? Plenty of stuff in life doesn't have logical reasoning applied to it.

[Karajabakh]

"Why do we get pleasure from eating? why do we get pleasure from taking in lots of calories? Why do we get pleasure from working out?"

That is a very stupid retort. Sorry.

These things mentioned above are capable for survival. Sex is capable for offspring and our genetics making their way on beyond us. If we had 2 sets of neanderthals, one who did and one who didn't like sex, obviously the one who did like sex would produce more offspring. That is why.

And sex is capable for a damn lot of fun.

You're one of those "if its fun it is good!" types.

I'm so terribly sorry.

[Albrenia]

Sex during marriage because you love your spouse is degenerate?

Yes, it can be. Sex should only be for reproduction.That's not to say everyone is perfect. Even in my perfect society im sure plenty will be degenerates, however, society should know (and hopefully respect) that sex should be important, because eitherwise you end up having it in such a liberalized fashion like you do today; it is shoved in your face and virtually has no value.

You sure like repeating yourself. We get it, you're offended by people enjoying life.

We just don't care.

[Karajabakh]

Homosexuality is indeed a stain on society. It removes traditional values which give people the essence to live. Believe it or not, but sex usually should have more meaning than simply pleasure. Homosexual sex is literally just a poor parody of regular sex.
Also, to those who say I should "mind my own business bigot!!!".

No.

It is constantly made my problem by preening homosexuals who deem it necessary to hold these gaudy events, perform degenerate acts, and push their hedonistic desires into everyone's business. I am no more or less minding my business than the homosexual community is. There is no reason churches should be forced to hold these ceremonies that blatantly go against their beliefs as well as businesses. Homosexuals have made it everyone's problem and then when people disagree with it they play victim.

Homosexuality is nothing more than a fetish. Just like a sick fetish, you should refrain from it, just as procreation should be for only people trying to have children, not people having sex just to have it for fun. The sole reason humans seek romantic relationships is for procreation, this is biology, and anyone with a half of a mind will agree with me.

Before people also start clamoring and throwing fingers my way and stating "well you're not perfect either!"

You're right. But I don't stick my desires in the face of society and then also constantly criticize society for not immediately bending to my will.

I was born and raised into a religion that demonized homosexuality and was taught all of it values, then I myself fund out that i was gay. i tried all kind of therapy to try and "fix myself." that was all bs. if was in a relationship with the opposite gender i would not function normally. you may think it just a "sick fetish" but it my reality. and also adoption.

I don't know what to tell you. This doesn't change my opinion,I don't pander to the audience. Not everyone needs to be in a relationship. Simply having a romantic relationship isn't a 'must have' like much of society will say.

[Jebslund]

The right is opposed to leftist change, not change per se. The Konservative Revolution very much advocated change. But much, perhaps most late change, has been detrimental. That doesn't mean it has to be, just that it has been

Please. The right worship tradition as much as the left worship socialism. The only change they want is to revert back to the old ways.

Neither side is universally wrong. Both sides have good and bad points, and I find this back and forth of arguing along party lines to be vexingly unproductive at best. I don't suffer fools lightly and suffer them even less when their foolishness is born of a refusal to question the relevant authorities in their lives. Intelligent obedience is a good thing and has its place in society, but blind adherence is an abomination and a waste of the free will God gave us.

[The New California Republic]

Sex during marriage because you love your spouse is degenerate?

Yes, it can be. Sex should only be for reproduction.

According to what exactly?

[Karajabakh]

Yes, it can be. Sex should only be for reproduction.That's not to say everyone is perfect. Even in my perfect society im sure plenty will be degenerates, however, society should know (and hopefully respect) that sex should be important, because eitherwise you end up having it in such a liberalized fashion like you do today; it is shoved in your face and virtually has no value.

You sure like repeating yourself. We get it, you're offended by people enjoying life.

We just don't care.

You responding shows you care, some. Nice try pal.

[Liriena]

I am sexually and romantically attracted to men. Ergo, when I find a dude who I think is (a) very cute, (b) very likeable, and (c) definitely someone I'd love to spend years if not decades with and wouldn't get tired of, I want a homosexual relationship. Also, someone to raise kids with would be nice, but neither of us would need to get pregnant for that.

Read my above posts, please.

Try, seriously, try to think beyond the scope of yourself.

Beyond the scope of myself as an individual? Homosexuality has always existed (after all, it's a natural phenomenon) and it has yet to directly cause any harm to humanity.

If the whole point of intercourse is reproduction why are we wired up to enjoy it even if that isn't the result?

"Why do we get pleasure from eating? why do we get pleasure from taking in lots of calories? Why do we get pleasure from working out?"

That is a very stupid retort. Sorry.

These things mentioned above are capable for survival. Sex is capable for offspring and our genetics making their way on beyond us. If we had 2 sets of neanderthals, one who did and one who didn't like sex, obviously the one who did like sex would produce more offspring. That is why.

There's more to being human than animalistic instinct. Hell, not making our lives revolve entirely around some sort of evolutionary imperative is one of the main things that sets us apart from other beings. We create culture. We are creative. We can ignore biology, or give new meaning to aspects of it.

[Petrolheadia]

And sex is capable for a damn lot of fun.

You're one of those "if its fun it is good!" types.

I'm so terribly sorry.

And why isn't it good?

Sex during marriage because you love your spouse is degenerate?

Yes, it can be. Sex should only be for reproduction.That's not to say everyone is perfect. Even in my perfect society im sure plenty will be degenerates, however, society should know (and hopefully respect) that sex should be important, because eitherwise you end up having it in such a liberalized fashion like you do today; it is shoved in your face and virtually has no value.

Reproductive value kept? Yes.
Fun value kept? Yes.

Then what's your problem, outside of "Why can't they stop having fun?!"

[Albrenia]

You sure like repeating yourself. We get it, you're offended by people enjoying life.

We just don't care.

You responding shows you care, some. Nice try pal.

Nah, just having fun with a little spare time by arguing with randoms on the internet. I'd be watching crabs eating stuff on youtube, but my internet is shitty right now so listening to garbage arguments about 'muh degeneracy' will have to do.

[The New California Republic]

You sure like repeating yourself. We get it, you're offended by people enjoying life.

We just don't care.

You responding shows you care, some. Nice try pal.

Honestly, Albrenia is right, we can take or leave your opinions, as they don't really affect us one jot.

[Karajabakh]

The right is opposed to leftist change, not change per se. The Konservative Revolution very much advocated change. But much, perhaps most late change, has been detrimental. That doesn't mean it has to be, just that it has been

Please. The right worship tradition as much as the left worship socialism. The only change they want is to revert back to the old ways.

Neither side is universally wrong. Both sides have good and bad points, and I find this back and forth of arguing along party lines to be vexingly unproductive at best. I don't suffer fools lightly and suffer them even less when their foolishness is born of a refusal to question the relevant authorities in their lives. Intelligent obedience is a good thing and has its place in society, but blind adherence is an abomination and a waste of the free will God gave us.

Truly intelligent obedience tells us that things in life are objective. You cannot assign a subjective role to everything in society. We should be more traditionalist not because it is blind adherence but is rather the conclusion that hedonists who are willing to admit they're wrong come to.

[Vassenor]

Please. The right worship tradition as much as the left worship socialism. The only change they want is to revert back to the old ways.

Neither side is universally wrong. Both sides have good and bad points, and I find this back and forth of arguing along party lines to be vexingly unproductive at best. I don't suffer fools lightly and suffer them even less when their foolishness is born of a refusal to question the relevant authorities in their lives. Intelligent obedience is a good thing and has its place in society, but blind adherence is an abomination and a waste of the free will God gave us.

Truly intelligent obedience tells us that things in life are objective. You cannot assign a subjective role to everything in society. We should be more traditionalist not because it is blind adherence but is rather the conclusion that hedonists who are willing to admit they're wrong come to.

Atavism is not progress.

[Karajabakh]

You responding shows you care, some. Nice try pal.

Honestly, Albrenia is right, we can take or leave your opinions, as they don't really affect us one jot.

Why ever converse if you don't change your opinions? You and that other fella aren't giving good points in retaliation (maybe because you don't have much or any). If you don't care, don't even bother. Both of you care, even if only a smidge. You desperately want me to be wrong but lack the resources to prove I am wrong.

[Petrolheadia]

Please. The right worship tradition as much as the left worship socialism. The only change they want is to revert back to the old ways.

Neither side is universally wrong. Both sides have good and bad points, and I find this back and forth of arguing along party lines to be vexingly unproductive at best. I don't suffer fools lightly and suffer them even less when their foolishness is born of a refusal to question the relevant authorities in their lives. Intelligent obedience is a good thing and has its place in society, but blind adherence is an abomination and a waste of the free will God gave us.

Truly intelligent obedience tells us that things in life are objective. You cannot assign a subjective role to everything in society. We should be more traditionalist not because it is blind adherence but is rather the conclusion that hedonists who are willing to admit they're wrong come to.

If pride parades don't make you pro-gay, then why do ypu use this technique on non-fundies?

[Menna Shuli]

Sex during marriage because you love your spouse is degenerate?

Yes, it can be. Sex should only be for reproduction.

And going for a run should only happen to catch prey or escape a predator. Any other purpose is degenerate.

[Vassenor]

Honestly, Albrenia is right, we can take or leave your opinions, as they don't really affect us one jot.

Why ever converse if you don't change your opinions? You and that other fella aren't giving good points in retaliation (maybe because you don't have much or any). If you don't care, don't even bother. Both of you care, even if only a smidge. You desperately want me to be wrong but lack the resources to prove I am wrong.

So far your only points have involved appealing to nature and appealing to tradition. Neither of which is actual sound logic.

[Petrolheadia]

Honestly, Albrenia is right, we can take or leave your opinions, as they don't really affect us one jot.

Why ever converse if you don't change your opinions? You and that other fella aren't giving good points in retaliation (maybe because you don't have much or any). If you don't care, don't even bother. Both of you care, even if only a smidge. You desperately want me to be wrong but lack the resources to prove I am wrong.

If you think you are so smart, bring your points.