Homosexuality and Culture

[San Lumen]

I certainly don't attach enough value to culture to excuse it placing shackles on peoples' freedoms, independence, happiness or welfare.

I do, I look for more than a society of free-range cows

I ask you again why is a gay couple with a child any less of family then yours?

[Mardla]

Is homosexuality equal to heterosexuality? Obv not, heterosexuality is the basis of reproduction, of family, of the very sexes themselves, of all culture and civilization. It is absurd to say they are equal.

Neither are men and women equal. Neither is one LARP'ing as the other culturally valuable, it in fact cheapens both.

Disabled people have a lower output to spciety, so anti-disabled movement when?

For my part, I continue to grow increasingly bored of the notion of equality as something necessary or even desirable. Equality is nothing but a hatred of what is beautiful, grand, magnificent, ancient. Equality hates all disparity in these. No culture is possible or created by equality, period. There is also nothing meaningful or desirable about universal freedom. Freedom is authority, authority is freedom. Freedom starts with authority over oneself, moral restraint, dignity. People who engage in cocksucker-pride or slut-pride parades have no freedom, and it cannot be conferred on them by their betters.

What are logical arguments for dignity being so necessary? What are logical arguments for restricting LGBT rights?

Why do I feel like the source is "muh feelyngs"?

Material production is not the only output.

There is no such thing as logical values or principles

[Mardla]

I do, I look for more than a society of free-range cows

Good for you.

Is Brave New World really an ideal to strive for?

[Mardla]

I do, I look for more than a society of free-range cows

And go for a society of factory-farmed cows?

I'll pass.

I go for a society of more than cows

[Jebslund]

I don't really care that much, to be honest. If your culture is that weak, I guess you'll have to learn to deal with it.

I don't think leftism understands culture or attaches value to it. Only pluralism.

The left, I've found, value culture far more than the right. The right do not value culture so much as despise change (to quote a David Eddings character: "Conservatives wouldn't change their underwear if they didn't have to."), whereas the left value it enough that they want their respective cultures to be the best they could possibly be (even if some of their ideas for how to achieve that aren't actually workable...). You cannot love someone or something and not seek the betterment of that which you love. You cannot say you love someone, yet resist every effort they make to improve themselves because "well, the past is beautiful, so it must be preserved at all costs!". Authority and tradition have their place, but neither is infallible, nor is either the be-all-end-all.

[Liriena]

I certainly don't attach enough value to culture to excuse it placing shackles on peoples' freedoms, independence, happiness or welfare.

I do, I look for more than a society of free-range cows

Sounds to me like you yearn for an industrialized slaughterhouse of a culture with "Christian" characteristics.

[Albrenia]

And go for a society of factory-farmed cows?

I'll pass.

I go for a society of more than cows

Because if they're not gay they're not cows?

[Mardla]

I don't think leftism understands culture or attaches value to it. Only pluralism.

The left, I've found, value culture far more than the right. The right do not value culture so much as despise change (to quote a David Eddings character: "Conservatives wouldn't change their underwear if they didn't have to."), whereas the left value it enough that they want their respective cultures to be the best they could possibly be (even if some of their ideas for how to achieve that aren't actually workable...). You cannot love someone or something and not seek the betterment of that which you love. You cannot say you love someone, yet resist every effort they make to improve themselves because "well, the past is beautiful, so it must be preserved at all costs!". Authority and tradition have their place, but neither is infallible, nor is either the be-all-end-all.

The right is opposed to leftist change, not change per se. The Konservative Revolution very much advocated change. But much, perhaps most late change, has been detrimental. That doesn't mean it has to be, just that it has been

[Karajabakh]

Homosexuality is indeed a stain on society. It removes traditional values which give people the essence to live. Believe it or not, but sex usually should have more meaning than simply pleasure. Homosexual sex is literally just a poor parody of regular sex.
Also, to those who say I should "mind my own business bigot!!!".

No.

It is constantly made my problem by preening homosexuals who deem it necessary to hold these gaudy events, perform degenerate acts, and push their hedonistic desires into everyone's business. I am no more or less minding my business than the homosexual community is. There is no reason churches should be forced to hold these ceremonies that blatantly go against their beliefs as well as businesses. Homosexuals have made it everyone's problem and then when people disagree with it they play victim.

Homosexuality is nothing more than a fetish. Just like a sick fetish, you should refrain from it, just as procreation should be for only people trying to have children, not people having sex just to have it for fun. The sole reason humans seek romantic relationships is for procreation, this is biology, and anyone with a half of a mind will agree with me.

Before people also start clamoring and throwing fingers my way and stating "well you're not perfect either!"

You're right. But I don't stick my desires in the face of society and then also constantly criticize society for not immediately bending to my will.

[Albrenia]

You're right. But I don't stick my desires in the face of society and then also constantly criticize society for not immediately bending to my will.

He says after a long rant.

[El-Amin Caliphate]

just as procreation should be for only people trying to have children, not people having sex just to have it for fun. The sole reason humans seek romantic relationships is for procreation, this is biology

People have sex for lots of reasons, not just procreation

[Albrenia]

Good for you.

Is Brave New World really an ideal to strive for?

No, but some daft society of uptight, self-oppressed drones doesn't sound too fun either.

[Internationalist Bastard]

Homosexuality is indeed a stain on society. It removes traditional values which give people the essence to live. Believe it or not, but sex usually should have more meaning than simply pleasure. Homosexual sex is literally just a poor parody of regular sex.
Also, to those who say I should "mind my own business bigot!!!".

No.

It is constantly made my problem by preening homosexuals who deem it necessary to hold these gaudy events, perform degenerate acts, and push their hedonistic desires into everyone's business. I am no more or less minding my business than the homosexual community is. There is no reason churches should be forced to hold these ceremonies that blatantly go against their beliefs as well as businesses. Homosexuals have made it everyone's problem and then when people disagree with it they play victim.

Homosexuality is nothing more than a fetish. Just like a sick fetish, you should refrain from it, just as procreation should be for only people trying to have children, not people having sex just to have it for fun. The sole reason humans seek romantic relationships is for procreation, this is biology, and anyone with a half of a mind will agree with me.

Before people also start clamoring and throwing fingers my way and stating "well you're not perfect either!"

You're right. But I don't stick my desires in the face of society and then also constantly criticize society for not immediately bending to my will.

Yes homosexuality is a fetish
Just like you can quit being heterosexual any time you want

[Mardla]

I go for a society of more than cows

Because if they're not gay they're not cows?

But this is about your criteria of "free and equal" as the standards of all worth in general, which you used to attack my position

[Liriena]

The right is opposed to leftist change, not change per se.

[laughs in the right opposing every single cultural change ever]

[Karajabakh]

just as procreation should be for only people trying to have children, not people having sex just to have it for fun. The sole reason humans seek romantic relationships is for procreation, this is biology

People have sex for lots of reasons, not just procreation

And it is extremely degenerate.

[Mardla]

Is Brave New World really an ideal to strive for?

No, but some daft society of uptight, self-oppressed drones doesn't sound too fun either.

Restraint is not innately oppressive. Rather oppression is the consequence of lack of restraint

[Liriena]

It is constantly made my problem by preening homosexuals who deem it necessary to hold these gaudy events, perform degenerate acts, and push their hedonistic desires into everyone's business.

Dude, nobody forced you to watch the wedding scene and orgy at the end of Sense8

[Internationalist Bastard]

People have sex for lots of reasons, not just procreation

And it is extremely degenerate.

I have yet to hear anyone explain what degeneracy is or why it’s harmful

[Liriena]

People have sex for lots of reasons, not just procreation

And it is extremely degenerate.

Degeneracy is a reactionary meme. And also no. Recreational sex is beautiful and, provided you are careful, perfectly healthy.

[Petrolheadia]

And go for a society of factory-farmed cows?

I'll pass.

I go for a society of more than cows

If being a non-asshole, respectful person is being a cow, then moo.

[The New California Republic]

Homosexuality is nothing more than a fetish.

Lol. No. You are very much mistaken. You seem to be conflating sexual orientation with fetish.

just as procreation should be for only people trying to have children, not people having sex just to have it for fun.

Hence why contraception and abortion is a thing, to prevent such occurences.

The sole reason humans seek romantic relationships is for procreation, this is biology, and anyone with a half of a mind will agree with me.

No. It really isn't. Many do it for companionship and sharing one's life experiences with.

[Karajabakh]

Homosexuality is indeed a stain on society. It removes traditional values which give people the essence to live. Believe it or not, but sex usually should have more meaning than simply pleasure. Homosexual sex is literally just a poor parody of regular sex.
Also, to those who say I should "mind my own business bigot!!!".

No.

It is constantly made my problem by preening homosexuals who deem it necessary to hold these gaudy events, perform degenerate acts, and push their hedonistic desires into everyone's business. I am no more or less minding my business than the homosexual community is. There is no reason churches should be forced to hold these ceremonies that blatantly go against their beliefs as well as businesses. Homosexuals have made it everyone's problem and then when people disagree with it they play victim.

Homosexuality is nothing more than a fetish. Just like a sick fetish, you should refrain from it, just as procreation should be for only people trying to have children, not people having sex just to have it for fun. The sole reason humans seek romantic relationships is for procreation, this is biology, and anyone with a half of a mind will agree with me.

Before people also start clamoring and throwing fingers my way and stating "well you're not perfect either!"

You're right. But I don't stick my desires in the face of society and then also constantly criticize society for not immediately bending to my will.

Yes homosexuality is a fetish
Just like you can quit being heterosexual any time you want

What is the logical reasoning for a homosexual relationship? Try, just try to think beyond immediate flesh desires of simply having sex or cherishing someone for yourself.

You'll come to the conclusion that relationships should logically produce offspring then. You lot seem to be too obsessed with how you and only you is affected, and not the greater lot of society. Flesh desire and pleasure is an end in itself and should not be a pursuit in life, because you will be constantly unfulfilled and void. Why do you think we have such high depression rates too?It is because people pursue happiness in life, and are too stupid to realize it is a fleeting emotion. Homosexuality is an example of this trivial pleasure seeking pursuit.

That's not to say pleasure should never be felt, but it should be a by-product of the main pursuits in life, which believe it or not, should be greater than just yourself.

[Liriena]

And it is extremely degenerate.

I have yet to hear anyone explain what degeneracy is or why it’s harmful

Condoms and orgies and mass immigration,
malt liquor 40s and miscegenation,
boys who use dildos and girls with cock rings
these are my favorite degenerate things
Absinthe and coffee and bitchy sarcasm
estrogen, crying, and fruitless orgasms
antifa furries and NB drag kings
these are my favorite degenerate things

[Karajabakh]

And it is extremely degenerate.

I have yet to hear anyone explain what degeneracy is or why it’s harmful

Because it is just for your own pleasure. Once again; try to understand here, pleasure is not something people should pursue because they will find themselves sorely losing at the end. You can't be in constantly pleasure.