Homosexuality and Culture

[The Supreme Magnificent High Swaglord]

Or, you know, things like Burgundian roofing, which have very little to do with Pagan or Christian deities.

they hold no candle to Islamic architecture.

Brutalist architecture is the most beautiful architectural style/movement/tradition.

/sincerity

[The Greater Ohio Valley]

It disparages my faith

So? Unless you live in a theocracy then it doesn’t matter.

it influences my children

If it makes them more tolerant individuals of then that’s a good thing.

it effects human reproduction.

Not at an significant enough scale for it to even remotely matter.

[Ifreann]

The problem isn't necessarily homosexuality, though I have problems with the LGBT rights movement. Consumerism and mass production in-general have made culture into something that isn't profound, and made things like the sexual revolution inevitable.

Yes, I remember the good ol' days when only the upper classes made bodily fluid jokes. How very deep and meaningful!

https://twitter.com/qikipedia/status/10 ... 3864778752

According to Grose’s 'Dictionary of the Vulgar Tongue' (1796) ‘old hat’ originally meant ‘a woman's privities, because frequently felt.’

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[Uxupox]

they hold no candle to Islamic architecture.

Brutalist architecture is the most beautiful architectural style/movement/tradition.

/sincerity

yea no. brutalist art is more akin to torture by vision.

[United Muscovite Nations]

The problem isn't necessarily homosexuality, though I have problems with the LGBT rights movement. Consumerism and mass production in-general have made culture into something that isn't profound, and made things like the sexual revolution inevitable.

Yes, I remember the good ol' days when only the upper classes made bodily fluid jokes. How very deep and meaningful!

There is no ritual or mysticism to society anymore, and in its place, material consumption has taken the foreground, but material consumption cannot replace spiritual substance which is craved.

[The South Falls]

1. So does the existence of other religions. Does that mean you'd be justified in launching a crusade to eliminate all those filthy Muslims, Jews, Shintōists, Buddhists, Hindus, et al? The world doesn't revolve around Christianity.

2. You can't choose to be homosexual. If you could, then why are there gay people in Saudi Arabia, where having relations with someone of the same gender gets you executed?

3. You can't choose to be homosexual. Also, only a small percentage of the population is homosexual, and there is reason to believe that homosexuality serves a societal function.

1. not yet

2. Being homosexual and believing one to be homosexual are two different things. There are numerous straight people who thought that they might not be straight, only discover later that they most certainly were. Truly, this point has a great correlation to the first, but also merits of it's own.

3. I understand that it might have a social function - I never stated that it was a pointless matter - but it does have a direct effect upon global population. In a century were we are expected to see massive demographic changes and overpopulation across the world, the issue of reproduction does begin to effect the greater society as a whole.

So to counter such an over population, you want... more kids? In vitro fertilization exists. Sperm donors exist.

[The South Falls]

Yes, I remember the good ol' days when only the upper classes made bodily fluid jokes. How very deep and meaningful!

There is no ritual or mysticism to society anymore, and in its place, material consumption has taken the foreground, but material consumption cannot replace spiritual substance which is craved.

We don't all have seventy three bibles and six million grain stalk crosses like you.

[Joohan]

It disparages my faith, it influences my children, it effects human reproduction.

Those are three pretty big influences right there.

I don't care about your faith if you use it as a means to control the lives of others. And what two consenting adults decide to do is more important than what your faith says.
It influencing your children also doesn't really matter.
It doesn't have a significant impact on human reproduction.

Well I do.... See that, it's an impasse. Neither side is content or convinced by the other - thus, they continue just going about pursuing their own agenda regardless of the wishes of the other. A common phenomenon in modern politics ( let's get real, human history ).
What my children see and experience matters quite a bit actually. I wouldn't just leave my 4 year old alone in a room with a saw movie playing on the tv, or just let them listen to NWA.
Assuming that potentially 1.5% of the population might not be breeding, then I would say it certainly has an impact on reproduction.

[La Nueva Union Americana]

Even if that were true, not every human being is born gay and those that are are not in high enough numbers to even remotely pose an existential threat to the human species as a whole. So in the end homosexuality is of no harm to anyone anywhere except from those who choose to physically and psychologically assault and abuse gay individuals.

Also, homosexuals can still reproduce.
All they have to do is get a female pregnant and that's it.

Exactly right. Also, they can still get married wherever.
All they have to do is marry somebody of the opposite sex.

[Ifreann]

Yes, I remember the good ol' days when only the upper classes made bodily fluid jokes. How very deep and meaningful!

There is no ritual or mysticism to society anymore, and in its place, material consumption has taken the foreground, but material consumption cannot replace spiritual substance which is craved.

Society is lousy with mysticism, it just isn't the sole province of the church.

[Conserative Morality]

There is no ritual or mysticism to society anymore, and in its place, material consumption has taken the foreground, but material consumption cannot replace spiritual substance which is craved.

Cuts to the bone to see the truth of things, eh? Those who can't find spiritual meaning without having the blinds pulled over their eyes don't deserve it.

[The South Falls]

I don't care about your faith if you use it as a means to control the lives of others. And what two consenting adults decide to do is more important than what your faith says.
It influencing your children also doesn't really matter.
It doesn't have a significant impact on human reproduction.

Well I do.... See that, it's an impasse. Neither side is content or convinced by the other - thus, they continue just going about pursuing their own agenda regardless of the wishes of the other. A common phenomenon in modern politics ( let's get real, human history ).
What my children see and experience matters quite a bit actually. I wouldn't just leave my 4 year old alone in a room with a saw movie playing on the tv, or just let them listen to NWA.
Assuming that potentially 1.5% of the population might not be breeding, then I would say it certainly has an impact on reproduction.

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[Joohan]

1. not yet

2. Being homosexual and believing one to be homosexual are two different things. There are numerous straight people who thought that they might not be straight, only discover later that they most certainly were. Truly, this point has a great correlation to the first, but also merits of it's own.

3. I understand that it might have a social function - I never stated that it was a pointless matter - but it does have a direct effect upon global population. In a century were we are expected to see massive demographic changes and overpopulation across the world, the issue of reproduction does begin to effect the greater society as a whole.

So to counter such an over population, you want... more kids? In vitro fertilization exists. Sperm donors exist.

I didn't say anything about countering over population - but who is repopulating is a concern. Off topic though.

[Ihury]

What my children see and experience matters quite a bit actually. I wouldn't just leave my 4 year old alone in a room with a saw movie playing on the tv, or just let them listen to NWA.

But I assume you make them read the Bible. How, pray, is that any different?

Assuming that potentially 1.5% of the population might not be breeding, then I would say it certainly has an impact on reproduction.

How so? Is it really so important for the Earth's most dominant species to reproduce so much?

[Conserative Morality]

I didn't say anything about countering over population - but who is repopulating is a concern. Off topic though.

:thonk:

[United Muscovite Nations]

There is no ritual or mysticism to society anymore, and in its place, material consumption has taken the foreground, but material consumption cannot replace spiritual substance which is craved.

Cuts to the bone to see the truth of things, eh? Those who can't find spiritual meaning without having the blinds pulled over their eyes don't deserve it.

We weren't meant to live without spiritualism, that is why it exists, it was with us from the beginning and is as essential for a happy life as bread and water.

[Valgora]

I don't care about your faith if you use it as a means to control the lives of others. And what two consenting adults decide to do is more important than what your faith says.
It influencing your children also doesn't really matter.
It doesn't have a significant impact on human reproduction.

Well I do.... See that, it's an impasse. Neither side is content or convinced by the other - thus, they continue just going about pursuing their own agenda regardless of the wishes of the other. A common phenomenon in modern politics ( let's get real, human history ).

One side (yours) wants to control the lives of others despite the lack of impact on your life, while the other wants for two consenting adults to do what they want.

What my children see and experience matters quite a bit actually. I wouldn't just leave my 4 year old alone in a room with a saw movie playing on the tv, or just let them listen to NWA.

But these are not comparable to allowing two consenting adults to do what they want.

Also, why would you not let your 4 year old listen to NWA?

Assuming that potentially 1.5% of the population might not be breeding, then I would say it certainly has an impact on reproduction.

It does not have a significant impact on reproduction.
Plus, all they have to do is get a female pregnant.

[Conserative Morality]

We weren't meant to live without spiritualism, that is why it exists, it was with us from the beginning and is as essential for a happy life as bread and water.

People live perfectly happy lives without bread and water. In fact, for the majority of human existence we have led happy lives without bread.

I am sure there is apt symbolism in that fact.

[United Muscovite Nations]

We weren't meant to live without spiritualism, that is why it exists, it was with us from the beginning and is as essential for a happy life as bread and water.

People live perfectly happy lives without bread and water. In fact, for the majority of human existence we have led happy lives without bread.

I am sure there is apt symbolism in that fact.

Bread is a metaphor for food, and you knew that anyway.

[Cekoviu]

if you evaluate everything based on whether it has a gross benefit to culture, you end up hating essentially everything.
tolerance of homosexuality presents a net benefit, as it causes no harm while making people more open to foreign ideas. when the latter has occurred, one culture can be enriched by the more easily accepted ideas of other cultures.

Also, homosexuals can still reproduce.
All they have to do is get a female pregnant and that's it.

Exactly right. Also, they can still get married wherever.
All they have to do is marry somebody of the opposite sex.

or they could not, because that's a moronic restriction.

[Ifreann]

I didn't say anything about countering over population - but who is repopulating is a concern. Off topic though.

:thonk:

I'm not saying it's the great replacement.
But watch this Lauren Southern video.

[Ihury]

Cuts to the bone to see the truth of things, eh? Those who can't find spiritual meaning without having the blinds pulled over their eyes don't deserve it.

We weren't meant to live without spiritualism, that is why it exists, it was with us from the beginning and is as essential for a happy life as bread and water.

Bertrand Russell would like to have a word with you.

[Conserative Morality]

But these are not comparable to allowing two consenting adults to do what they want.

Also, why would you not let your 4 year old listen to NWA?

As amusing as it might be, having your kid belt out "FUCK THE POLICE COMING STRAIGHT FROM THE UNDERGROUND" and referring to his peers as "niggas" may not be the best path to early socialization. Kids have poor filters, after all.

[United Muscovite Nations]

There is no ritual or mysticism to society anymore, and in its place, material consumption has taken the foreground, but material consumption cannot replace spiritual substance which is craved.

We don't all have seventy three bibles and six million grain stalk crosses like you.

I don't even see why you guys are ganging up on me, I've not even said anything controversial, and I think the reason you guys are attacking me is thinking I'm like Parkus just because I think religion is important to society.

[La Nueva Union Americana]

What my children see and experience matters quite a bit actually. I wouldn't just leave my 4 year old alone in a room with a saw movie playing on the tv, or just let them listen to NWA.

But I assume you make them read the Bible. How, pray, is that any different?

You see no difference at all between reading the Bible and watching Saw?