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Postby Liriena » Wed Sep 12, 2018 1:40 pm

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Albrenia wrote:I continue to grow increasingly bored of people who are -this- concerned with what other consenting adults choose to do in their private time which is not hurting anyone. If a culture is harmed by the people within it being free and equal, than that culture deserves to be harmed.

For my part, I continue to grow increasingly bored of the notion of equality as something necessary or even desirable. Equality is nothing but a hatred of what is beautiful, grand, magnificent, ancient. Equality hates all disparity in these. No culture is possible or created by equality, period. There is also nothing meaningful or desirable about universal freedom. Freedom is authority, authority is freedom. Freedom starts with authority over oneself, moral restraint, dignity. People who engage in cocksucker-pride or slut-pride parades have no freedom, and it cannot be conferred on them by their betters.

lol imagine being this self-serious
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Postby Mardla » Wed Sep 12, 2018 1:40 pm

Is homosexuality equal to heterosexuality? Obv not, heterosexuality is the basis of reproduction, of family, of the very sexes themselves, of all culture and civilization. It is absurd to say they are equal.

Neither are men and women equal. Neither is one LARP'ing as the other culturally valuable, it in fact cheapens both.
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Postby The Archregimancy » Wed Sep 12, 2018 1:41 pm

Aboveland wrote:You use oxymorons to make yourself look smart when in reality you're just a bigoted, self absorbed, egotistical shit stick.


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Postby Liriena » Wed Sep 12, 2018 1:41 pm

Datlofff wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
Gonna need sources for those claims.


If all people were equal we wouldn't have jazz, or the blues. thats legit the first thing I could think of to validate his claims.

Mind elaborating on this?
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Postby Albrenia » Wed Sep 12, 2018 1:42 pm

Mardla wrote:
Albrenia wrote:I continue to grow increasingly bored of people who are -this- concerned with what other consenting adults choose to do in their private time which is not hurting anyone. If a culture is harmed by the people within it being free and equal, than that culture deserves to be harmed.

For my part, I continue to grow increasingly bored of the notion of equality as something necessary or even desirable. Equality is nothing but a hatred of what is beautiful, grand, magnificent, ancient. Equality hates all disparity in these. No culture is possible or created by equality, period. There is also nothing meaningful or desirable about universal freedom. Freedom is authority, authority is freedom. Freedom starts with authority over oneself, moral restraint, dignity. People who engage in cocksucker-pride or slut-pride parades have no freedom, and it cannot be conferred on them by their betters.


I don't really care that much, to be honest. If your culture is that weak, I guess you'll have to learn to deal with it.

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Postby The New California Republic » Wed Sep 12, 2018 1:42 pm

Mardla wrote:Is homosexuality equal to heterosexuality? Obv not, heterosexuality is the basis of reproduction, of family, of the very sexes themselves, of all culture and civilization. It is absurd to say they are equal.

And bisexuality is better than both. 8)
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Postby Mardla » Wed Sep 12, 2018 1:43 pm

Liriena wrote:
Mardla wrote:For my part, I continue to grow increasingly bored of the notion of equality as something necessary or even desirable. Equality is nothing but a hatred of what is beautiful, grand, magnificent, ancient. Equality hates all disparity in these. No culture is possible or created by equality, period. There is also nothing meaningful or desirable about universal freedom. Freedom is authority, authority is freedom. Freedom starts with authority over oneself, moral restraint, dignity. People who engage in cocksucker-pride or slut-pride parades have no freedom, and it cannot be conferred on them by their betters.

lol imagine being this self-serious

Imagine having a basic acquaintance with philosophy.
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Postby Liriena » Wed Sep 12, 2018 1:43 pm

Mardla wrote:Is homosexuality equal to heterosexuality?

Of course not. Homosexuality is lots more fun. I mean, why else would so many straight women dedicate countless hours to writing epic gay erotica?
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Postby San Lumen » Wed Sep 12, 2018 1:43 pm

Mardla wrote:Is homosexuality equal to heterosexuality? Obv not, heterosexuality is the basis of reproduction, of family, of the very sexes themselves, of all culture and civilization. It is absurd to say they are equal.

Neither are men and women equal. Neither is one LARP'ing as the other culturally valuable, it in fact cheapens both.

Yes they are equal. A family like the one my friend has is equal to your. Just because he has two dads does not make his family any less than yours.

and man and woman are equal. Its quite scary that you think they are not.

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Postby Mardla » Wed Sep 12, 2018 1:45 pm

Albrenia wrote:
Mardla wrote:For my part, I continue to grow increasingly bored of the notion of equality as something necessary or even desirable. Equality is nothing but a hatred of what is beautiful, grand, magnificent, ancient. Equality hates all disparity in these. No culture is possible or created by equality, period. There is also nothing meaningful or desirable about universal freedom. Freedom is authority, authority is freedom. Freedom starts with authority over oneself, moral restraint, dignity. People who engage in cocksucker-pride or slut-pride parades have no freedom, and it cannot be conferred on them by their betters.


I don't really care that much, to be honest. If your culture is that weak, I guess you'll have to learn to deal with it.

I don't think leftism understands culture or attaches value to it. Only pluralism.
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Postby Datlofff » Wed Sep 12, 2018 1:45 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Mardla wrote:Is homosexuality equal to heterosexuality? Obv not, heterosexuality is the basis of reproduction, of family, of the very sexes themselves, of all culture and civilization. It is absurd to say they are equal.

Neither are men and women equal. Neither is one LARP'ing as the other culturally valuable, it in fact cheapens both.

Yes they are equal. A family like the one my friend has is equal to your. Just because he has two dads does not make his family any less than yours.

and man and woman are equal. Its quite scary that you think they are not.


Socially men and women are equal. But biologically no. Im assuming he was going along those lines. Otherwise im very worried :unsure:
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Postby Aboveland » Wed Sep 12, 2018 1:47 pm

The Archregimancy wrote:warning

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Mardla wrote:Is homosexuality equal to heterosexuality? Obv not, heterosexuality is the basis of reproduction, of family, of the very sexes themselves, of all culture and civilization. It is absurd to say they are equal.

Of course not, and neither is being black equal to being white, and yet people of both races have equal (legal) rights. I argue it's absurd to think of people as unequal for being different, especially when that difference is as insignificant as sexual attraction.
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Postby Admondir » Wed Sep 12, 2018 1:47 pm

The South Falls wrote:I can imagine you busting into people's rooms, telling them exactly what position to use.

If people are homosexual, they can't change that.


I agree, I'm bisexual and I can't even tell my parents for fear that they might get mad at me or say it's just a phase. The truth is the truth and people like me can't change the fact that we like the same gender.

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Postby Albrenia » Wed Sep 12, 2018 1:50 pm

Mardla wrote:
Albrenia wrote:
I don't really care that much, to be honest. If your culture is that weak, I guess you'll have to learn to deal with it.

I don't think leftism understands culture or attaches value to it. Only pluralism.


I certainly don't attach enough value to culture to excuse it placing shackles on peoples' freedoms, independence, happiness or welfare.

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Postby Liriena » Wed Sep 12, 2018 1:50 pm

Mardla wrote:
Liriena wrote:lol imagine being this self-serious

Imagine having a basic acquaintance with philosophy.

Having the capacity to type something as arrogantly asinine as "freedom is authority, authority is freedom" and "equality is nothing but a hatred of what is beautiful, grand, magnificent, ancient" doesn't mean you have a "basic acquaintance with philosophy". It just means you have the ability to hide the stupidity of your ideas under semi-poetic verbosity.

So climb down from your cardboard agora, Mr "Cocksucker-pride or slut-pride"... and while you are at it, leave the dirty talk to the kinky fuckers like me who know how to use it. Your lazy attempt at verbal degradation is the mark of someone who not only isn't a morally restrained person, but isn't even talented at behaving like a shitty person either.
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Postby Liriena » Wed Sep 12, 2018 1:51 pm

Mardla wrote:I don't think leftism understands culture or attaches value to it. Only pluralism.

[laughs in Gramsci]
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Political compass stuff:
Economic Left/Right: -8.13
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Postby Admondir » Wed Sep 12, 2018 1:54 pm

Mardla wrote:Is homosexuality equal to heterosexuality? Obv not, heterosexuality is the basis of reproduction, of family, of the very sexes themselves, of all culture and civilization. It is absurd to say they are equal.

Neither are men and women equal. Neither is one LARP'ing as the other culturally valuable, it in fact cheapens both.


ugg. omgoodness. please, people love because they love. don't say their love is less.

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Postby Liriena » Wed Sep 12, 2018 1:55 pm

San Lumen wrote:Its quite scary that you think they are not.

Pfffffffffffffff

Scary?

My man is trying to play a modern, potty-mouthed Savonarola. And the only good thing that came out of Savonarola was the hilarious historical footnote of getting executed twice.
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Postby San Lumen » Wed Sep 12, 2018 1:57 pm

Liriena wrote:
San Lumen wrote:Its quite scary that you think they are not.

Pfffffffffffffff

Scary?

My man is trying to play a modern, potty-mouthed Savonarola. And the only good thing that came out of Savonarola was the hilarious historical footnote of getting executed twice.

who?
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Postby Liriena » Wed Sep 12, 2018 2:00 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Liriena wrote:Pfffffffffffffff

Scary?

My man is trying to play a modern, potty-mouthed Savonarola. And the only good thing that came out of Savonarola was the hilarious historical footnote of getting executed twice.

who?

Some Christian fundamentalist asshole who tried to turn Renaissance Florence into a theocracy. Also, huge homophobe (duh). Even the Pope at the time thought he was a massive asshole.
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Postby Albrenia » Wed Sep 12, 2018 2:01 pm

Liriena wrote:
San Lumen wrote:who?

Some Christian fundamentalist asshole who tried to turn Renaissance Florence into a theocracy. Also, huge homophobe (duh). Even the Pope at the time thought he was a massive asshole.


One of those moments where the other guys in the KKK pull off their hoods and say "Dude, that's racist. Not cool." :lol:

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Postby Mardla » Wed Sep 12, 2018 2:03 pm

Albrenia wrote:
Mardla wrote:I don't think leftism understands culture or attaches value to it. Only pluralism.


I certainly don't attach enough value to culture to excuse it placing shackles on peoples' freedoms, independence, happiness or welfare.

I do, I look for more than a society of free-range cows
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Postby Petrolheadia » Wed Sep 12, 2018 2:05 pm

Mardla wrote:Is homosexuality equal to heterosexuality? Obv not, heterosexuality is the basis of reproduction, of family, of the very sexes themselves, of all culture and civilization. It is absurd to say they are equal.

Neither are men and women equal. Neither is one LARP'ing as the other culturally valuable, it in fact cheapens both.

Disabled people have a lower output to spciety, so anti-disabled movement when?
Mardla wrote:
Albrenia wrote:I continue to grow increasingly bored of people who are -this- concerned with what other consenting adults choose to do in their private time which is not hurting anyone. If a culture is harmed by the people within it being free and equal, than that culture deserves to be harmed.

For my part, I continue to grow increasingly bored of the notion of equality as something necessary or even desirable. Equality is nothing but a hatred of what is beautiful, grand, magnificent, ancient. Equality hates all disparity in these. No culture is possible or created by equality, period. There is also nothing meaningful or desirable about universal freedom. Freedom is authority, authority is freedom. Freedom starts with authority over oneself, moral restraint, dignity. People who engage in cocksucker-pride or slut-pride parades have no freedom, and it cannot be conferred on them by their betters.

What are logical arguments for dignity being so necessary? What are logical arguments for restricting LGBT rights?

Why do I feel like the source is "muh feelyngs"?
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Postby Petrolheadia » Wed Sep 12, 2018 2:06 pm

Mardla wrote:
Albrenia wrote:
I certainly don't attach enough value to culture to excuse it placing shackles on peoples' freedoms, independence, happiness or welfare.

I do, I look for more than a society of free-range cows

And go for a society of factory-farmed cows?

I'll pass.
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Postby Albrenia » Wed Sep 12, 2018 2:06 pm

Mardla wrote:
Albrenia wrote:
I certainly don't attach enough value to culture to excuse it placing shackles on peoples' freedoms, independence, happiness or welfare.

I do, I look for more than a society of free-range cows


Good for you. :meh:

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