Homosexuality and Culture

[The Empire of Pretantia]

Less so than other aspects because it is a superficial feature of culture.

If we look at art as " physical expression of creativity found in human societies and cultures", you are saying that literature, performance arts, and visual arts are nothing more than a superficial feature of culture and is therefore less important.

Correct.

Which is wrong.

Incorrect

You don't really have much of a culture if you don't have art because those are all important to culture.

Actually, yes you do. A culture is not lesser or lacking just because it doesn't make pretty pictures.

[Valrifell]

But even then I am struggling to think of a specific set of circumstances that could lead to such a case arising.

A state government stops granting gay marriage

What you're describing is more of a nullifcation case which was settled a really long time ago.

[Mardla]

A state government stops granting gay marriage

What you're describing is more of a nullifcation case which was settled a really long time ago.

It's actually not because nullification is about whether a state can judge, which this wouldn't determine.

[Valgora]

If we look at art as " physical expression of creativity found in human societies and cultures", you are saying that literature, performance arts, and visual arts are nothing more than a superficial feature of culture and is therefore less important.

Correct.

Which is wrong.

Incorrect

You don't really have much of a culture if you don't have art because those are all important to culture.

Actually, yes you do. A culture is not lesser or lacking just because it doesn't make pretty pictures.

Yes. A culture is lacking if it is lacking "physical expression of creativity".
I'm also talking about more than just "pretty pictures".

I also feel like I should mention that art (visual art, performance art, and I'd imagine literature) is considered a cultural universal, "an element, pattern, trait, or institution that is common to all human cultures worldwide."

[Vassenor]

You just need enough money to appeal it all the way there.

A state government could appeal it

And what unique actionable harm is being caused to them?

[Valrifell]

What you're describing is more of a nullifcation case which was settled a really long time ago.

It's actually not because nullification is about whether a state can judge, which this wouldn't determine.

If you say "yeah, the states can totally decide whether or not to enforce Federal statutes and laws" (which is what you'd effectively be saying by siding with the state in this case) then, yes, you'd be giving the okay to nullification.

[The Empire of Pretantia]

Correct.

Incorrect

Actually, yes you do. A culture is not lesser or lacking just because it doesn't make pretty pictures.

Yes. A culture is lacking if it is lacking "physical expression of creativity".

Nah.

I'm also talking about more than just "pretty pictures".

No you aren't.

[Valgora]

Yes. A culture is lacking if it is lacking "physical expression of creativity".

Nah.

I'm also talking about more than just "pretty pictures".

No you aren't.

Yes I am.
Literature, visual arts, and performance arts.
That's more than just "pretty pictures".

[Salandriagado]

I'm not sure that such a case would make it all the way up to SCOTUS.

You just need enough money to appeal it all the way there.

Yeah, that doesn't work: SCOTUS chooses what cases it accepts, and it isn't going to choose such a blatantly baseless one as that. Indeed, you'll get chucked out at the very lowest level for lack of standing.

[Mardla]

It's actually not because nullification is about whether a state can judge, which this wouldn't determine.

If you say "yeah, the states can totally decide whether or not to enforce Federal statutes and laws" (which is what you'd effectively be saying by siding with the state in this case) then, yes, you'd be giving the okay to nullification.

Well no, because it is not saying States can decide, just that they can appeal.

[The Empire of Pretantia]

Nah.

No you aren't.

Yes I am.
Literature, visual arts, and performance arts.
That's more than just "pretty pictures".

It's pretty pictures.

[Salandriagado]

If you say "yeah, the states can totally decide whether or not to enforce Federal statutes and laws" (which is what you'd effectively be saying by siding with the state in this case) then, yes, you'd be giving the okay to nullification.

Well no, because it is not saying States can decide, just that they can appeal.

Based on what standing?

[The South Falls]

Daily reminder that a sexuality need have no bearing on culture. The ability of the artist has much more effect on how good what they create is.

[Valgora]

Yes I am.
Literature, visual arts, and performance arts.
That's more than just "pretty pictures".

It's pretty pictures.

It's not just "pretty pictures".

[The Empire of Pretantia]

It's pretty pictures.

It's not just "pretty pictures".

You cited three other forms of painting pretty pictures, congratulations.

[Valgora]

It's not just "pretty pictures".

You cited three other forms of painting pretty pictures, congratulations.

No I didn't.
Visual arts are the only thing that are "pretty pictures" and perhaps a bit more since it includes ceramics, drawing, painting, sculpture, printmaking, design, crafts, photography, video, filmmaking, and architecture.

Literature and performance arts - especially music - ain't a form of "painting pretty pictures".

[The Empire of Pretantia]

Literature and performance arts - especially music - ain't a form of "painting pretty pictures".

Yes it is, don't get caught up in semantics.

[Internationalist Bastard]

Why are we arguing about art?

[The Empire of Pretantia]

Why are we arguing about art?

Art is a part of culture.

[Internationalist Bastard]

Why are we arguing about art?

Art is a part of culture.

Got that
Why are we arguing if it’s pretty pictures or not

[The Empire of Pretantia]

Art is a part of culture.

Got that
Why are we arguing if it’s pretty pictures or not

Because Valgora is getting caught up in technicalities.

[Valgora]

Art is a part of culture.

Got that
Why are we arguing if it’s pretty pictures or not

Because he thinks that art is not that important to culture.
He also says that it's just pretty pictures despite me showing that only the visual arts aspect is the "pretty pictures" part.

[Internationalist Bastard]

So can we stop the circle argument and get back to the topic?

[The Empire of Pretantia]

Got that
Why are we arguing if it’s pretty pictures or not

Because he thinks that art is not that important to culture.

It's not compared to its other aspects. To say otherwise is to be superficial.

He also says that it's just pretty pictures despite me showing that only the visual arts aspect is the "pretty pictures" part.

Like I said, they're caught up on technicalities.

[Oil exporting People]

I wasn't aware anyone placed you, oh nameless person on the internet, in charge of the usage of logic.

It's an irrational position, you can not find a logical reason to not like it other than "I don't like them"

Sure, you could argue that they're not reproducing or whatever, but it's a subset of a subset of the population doing that, so it's statistically irrelevant.

You're attempting to conflate using logic for an argument with me saying an argument is a logical fallacy. If you had bothered to read the fallacy he committed, you would not have wasted your time with this.