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Postby Bakery Hill » Tue Sep 11, 2018 2:27 am

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The Peoples Dominion of Torjthistan wrote:Why does this thread continue to exist?


Because it's fun to watch homophobes come to the horrifying realization that they are relics of a past age, and will never again wield significant influence?

Unfortunately much like society, history doesn't always go straight.
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Postby The Peoples Dominion of Torjthistan » Tue Sep 11, 2018 2:28 am

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The Peoples Dominion of Torjthistan wrote:Why does this thread continue to exist?


Because it's fun to watch homophobes come to the horrifying realization that they are relics of a past age, and will never again wield significant influence?


That is true for the US and many European countries, but unfortunately not how it is in most countries. There are places where the suggestion that homosexuality actually exists would be considered so absurd that it would not even be worth discussing.
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Postby Page » Tue Sep 11, 2018 2:40 am

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Because it's fun to watch homophobes come to the horrifying realization that they are relics of a past age, and will never again wield significant influence?


That is true for the US and many European countries, but unfortunately not how it is in most countries. There are places where the suggestion that homosexuality actually exists would be considered so absurd that it would not even be worth discussing.


You're right, unfortunately I still haven't broken the habit of making Western-centric statements without clarifying them as such.

But I do think in North America and Europe, it's over for the anti-gay crowd.

I'm not saying homophobia is gone entirely, it persists in many places, especially among religious fundamentalists. What I'm saying is that more people than ever are cool with gay people now and many who aren't have learned to keep their mouths shut.

Conservatives haven't all embraced gay acceptance with open arms, but many of them have at least gotten to the point where they say "whatever" and drop it as an issue. Marriage equality isn't going anywhere, most people understand that conversion therapy is abusive and doesn't work, and people who quote the Bible to condemn homosexuality are widely mocked these days.
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Tue Sep 11, 2018 2:46 am

Page wrote:But I do think in North America and Europe, it's over for the anti-gay crowd.


Given the rise in extremism across the west I'd say that's hardly the case, especially if the next generation or two continues the trend and they keep moving farther and farther apart.

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With Kavanaugh coming in that could turn out to be false (remember the decision was 5-4 and that swing vote is now in the hands of someone who voted No) and if RBG kicks the bucket it could become 6-3 in favor of overturning it.
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Postby The Empire of Pretantia » Tue Sep 11, 2018 4:37 am

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Except you LOST. Mainstream society is cool with gay people and even conservatives are mostly over it outside of fundie Christian circles. Notice how you don't hear Republicans talk about marriage equality anymore?

The big, gay rainbow won and homophobia is extremely offputting these days even among much of the political right.

Eeeeehhhhhhh. That's debatable. We may not be openly persecuted anymore, but mainstream media still has an incredible lack of gay representation, and most of what does exist is still only shallow tokenism. The battle is far from over.

Nobody's going to start making gay characters for the sake of making gay characters so there is nothing wrong here.
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Postby Ifreann » Tue Sep 11, 2018 5:59 am

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Olthar wrote:Eeeeehhhhhhh. That's debatable. We may not be openly persecuted anymore, but mainstream media still has an incredible lack of gay representation, and most of what does exist is still only shallow tokenism. The battle is far from over.

Nobody's going to start making gay characters for the sake of making gay characters so there is nothing wrong here.

Non-terrible gay representation already happens. It just doesn't happen much.

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Postby South Acren » Tue Sep 11, 2018 6:11 am

My opinion about Homosexuality isn't exactly the nicest of opinions. So to put it nicely, Homosexuality has not made any good contribution to society. All it has done is made things way too confusing. Back in the 1940s you didn't worry about if your girl was actually a dude. You worried if she was a communist spy or a Japanese/ German spy. You could go to a club and not worry if your woman has a gardenhose between her legs. It's kinda bullshit that there is more genders then the total amount of money Donald Trump has! What has happened to America, It used to be a world power. Now it's a clown. All because people get too sensitive to the real world.
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South Acren wrote:My opinion about Homosexuality isn't exactly the nicest of opinions. So to put it nicely, Homosexuality has not made any good contribution to society. All it has done is made things way too confusing. Back in the 1940s you didn't worry about if your girl was actually a dude. You worried if she was a communist spy or a Japanese/ German spy. You could go to a club and not worry if your woman has a gardenhose between her legs. It's kinda bullshit that there is more genders then the total amount of money Donald Trump has! What has happened to America, It used to be a world power. Now it's a clown. All because people get too sensitive to the real world.

Somehow you tried to make a favorable comparison of crossdressers to foreign spies sound like an unfavorable comparison. Would you rather the girl you brought home be a spy or something? If you ask me I'd rather bring home a dude. Less treacherous that way.
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Postby Ifreann » Tue Sep 11, 2018 6:15 am

South Acren wrote:My opinion about Homosexuality isn't exactly the nicest of opinions. So to put it nicely, Homosexuality has not made any good contribution to society. All it has done is made things way too confusing. Back in the 1940s you didn't worry about if your girl was actually a dude. You worried if she was a communist spy or a Japanese/ German spy. You could go to a club and not worry if your woman has a gardenhose between her legs. It's kinda bullshit that there is more genders then the total amount of money Donald Trump has! What has happened to America, It used to be a world power. Now it's a clown. All because people get too sensitive to the real world.

It sounds like the person who is too sensitive to the real world is you.

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Postby Page » Tue Sep 11, 2018 6:16 am

South Acren wrote:My opinion about Homosexuality isn't exactly the nicest of opinions. So to put it nicely, Homosexuality has not made any good contribution to society. All it has done is made things way too confusing. Back in the 1940s you didn't worry about if your girl was actually a dude. You worried if she was a communist spy or a Japanese/ German spy. You could go to a club and not worry if your woman has a gardenhose between her legs. It's kinda bullshit that there is more genders then the total amount of money Donald Trump has! What has happened to America, It used to be a world power. Now it's a clown. All because people get too sensitive to the real world.


Me from a few years ago would have chuckled at your clever satire, but me from today fears you might actually be serious. If that's the case, you should educate yourself on the difference between gay and transgender, not the same thing.
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Postby Uxupox » Tue Sep 11, 2018 6:18 am

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Except you LOST. Mainstream society is cool with gay people and even conservatives are mostly over it outside of fundie Christian circles. Notice how you don't hear Republicans talk about marriage equality anymore?

The big, gay rainbow won and homophobia is extremely offputting these days even among much of the political right.

Eeeeehhhhhhh. That's debatable. We may not be openly persecuted anymore, but mainstream media still has an incredible lack of gay representation, and most of what does exist is still only shallow tokenism. The battle is far from over.


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Postby Ifreann » Tue Sep 11, 2018 6:19 am

The Empire of Pretantia wrote:
South Acren wrote:My opinion about Homosexuality isn't exactly the nicest of opinions. So to put it nicely, Homosexuality has not made any good contribution to society. All it has done is made things way too confusing. Back in the 1940s you didn't worry about if your girl was actually a dude. You worried if she was a communist spy or a Japanese/ German spy. You could go to a club and not worry if your woman has a gardenhose between her legs. It's kinda bullshit that there is more genders then the total amount of money Donald Trump has! What has happened to America, It used to be a world power. Now it's a clown. All because people get too sensitive to the real world.

Somehow you tried to make a favorable comparison of crossdressers to foreign spies sound like an unfavorable comparison. Would you rather the girl you brought home be a spy or something? If you ask me I'd rather bring home a dude. Less treacherous that way.

Meet a swell girl, bring her home, when she takes her clothes off she's not attractive to you any more. Well, I guess you're in for an awkward few minutes while she puts her clothes back on and leaves.


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Postby The New California Republic » Tue Sep 11, 2018 6:20 am

South Acren wrote:My opinion about Homosexuality isn't exactly the nicest of opinions. So to put it nicely, Homosexuality has not made any good contribution to society. All it has done is made things way too confusing. Back in the 1940s you didn't worry about if your girl was actually a dude. You worried if she was a communist spy or a Japanese/ German spy. You could go to a club and not worry if your woman has a gardenhose between her legs. It's kinda bullshit that there is more genders then the total amount of money Donald Trump has! What has happened to America, It used to be a world power. Now it's a clown. All because people get too sensitive to the real world.

Conflating homosexuality with transgender is fucking stupid.
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Postby Aboveland » Tue Sep 11, 2018 6:26 am

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Aboveland wrote:It won't make you an atheist (unless you hate God for making gay people or something), it won't make your kids gay, because being gay isn't something you learn or catch, but are, and it doesn't affect human reproduction in any way apart from not affecting it in the slightest (plus, like we don't have enough humans already).

If you hate god for doing something how can you be an atheist?

That aside to the original poster if your faith has issues with something as benign as homosexuality it deserves to be disparaged. It can't make your kids gay since as far as we can tell homosexuality is innate. Finally source on it having any large effect on human reproduction, and then evidence that this effect is a negative one please.

Whoops, you're right. I meant that maybe he'd resent God and stop believing because of gay people.
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Postby South Acren » Tue Sep 11, 2018 6:28 am

The Empire of Pretantia wrote:Somehow you tried to make a favorable comparison of crossdressers to foreign spies sound like an unfavorable comparison. Would you rather the girl you brought home be a spy or something? If you ask me I'd rather bring home a dude. Less treacherous that way.

Eh well I tried. I don't know about you but I would rather stay single then pick either. Spys are bad. A dude? Somehow even worse...jesus that's a terrifying thought. You bring home a girl only to find out she a dude AND a spy...gives me nightmares.
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South Acren wrote:
The Empire of Pretantia wrote:Somehow you tried to make a favorable comparison of crossdressers to foreign spies sound like an unfavorable comparison. Would you rather the girl you brought home be a spy or something? If you ask me I'd rather bring home a dude. Less treacherous that way.

Eh well I tried. I don't know about you but I would rather stay single then pick either. Spys are bad. A dude? Somehow even worse...jesus that's a terrifying thought. You bring home a girl only to find out she a dude AND a spy...gives me nightmares.


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Postby Aboveland » Tue Sep 11, 2018 6:33 am

South Acren wrote:
The Empire of Pretantia wrote:Somehow you tried to make a favorable comparison of crossdressers to foreign spies sound like an unfavorable comparison. Would you rather the girl you brought home be a spy or something? If you ask me I'd rather bring home a dude. Less treacherous that way.

Eh well I tried. I don't know about you but I would rather stay single then pick either. Spys are bad. A dude? Somehow even worse...jesus that's a terrifying thought. You bring home a girl only to find out she a dude AND a spy...gives me nightmares.

Guy, you've got it all wrong. Gay people and crossdressers/transgender people aren't the same thing.
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Postby Aboveland » Tue Sep 11, 2018 6:35 am

Olthar wrote:
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Except you LOST. Mainstream society is cool with gay people and even conservatives are mostly over it outside of fundie Christian circles. Notice how you don't hear Republicans talk about marriage equality anymore?

The big, gay rainbow won and homophobia is extremely offputting these days even among much of the political right.

Eeeeehhhhhhh. That's debatable. We may not be openly persecuted anymore, but mainstream media still has an incredible lack of gay representation, and most of what does exist is still only shallow tokenism. The battle is far from over.

If a big deal is made over the character being gay, it wouldn't be very positive representation.
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South Acren wrote:
The Empire of Pretantia wrote:Somehow you tried to make a favorable comparison of crossdressers to foreign spies sound like an unfavorable comparison. Would you rather the girl you brought home be a spy or something? If you ask me I'd rather bring home a dude. Less treacherous that way.

Eh well I tried. I don't know about you but I would rather stay single then pick either. Spys are bad. A dude? Somehow even worse...jesus that's a terrifying thought. You bring home a girl only to find out she a dude AND a spy...gives me nightmares.


happened to me quite a few times just tell them that you are not interested and show them the door.
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Postby South Acren » Tue Sep 11, 2018 6:43 am

Aboveland wrote:
South Acren wrote:Eh well I tried. I don't know about you but I would rather stay single then pick either. Spys are bad. A dude? Somehow even worse...jesus that's a terrifying thought. You bring home a girl only to find out she a dude AND a spy...gives me nightmares.

Guy, you've got it all wrong. Gay people and crossdressers/transgender people aren't the same thing.

If they are from the same category, then I consider them the same.
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Postby Ifreann » Tue Sep 11, 2018 6:45 am

South Acren wrote:
The Empire of Pretantia wrote:Somehow you tried to make a favorable comparison of crossdressers to foreign spies sound like an unfavorable comparison. Would you rather the girl you brought home be a spy or something? If you ask me I'd rather bring home a dude. Less treacherous that way.

Eh well I tried. I don't know about you but I would rather stay single then pick either. Spys are bad. A dude? Somehow even worse...jesus that's a terrifying thought. You bring home a girl only to find out she a dude AND a spy...gives me nightmares.

What's so scary about penises? Presumably you handle one on a daily basis.

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Postby Dark Socialism » Tue Sep 11, 2018 6:48 am

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The Peoples Dominion of Torjthistan wrote:Why does this thread continue to exist?


Because it's fun to watch homophobes come to the horrifying realization that they are relics of a past age, and will never again wield significant influence?

I don't think you've been to a catholic ghetto, people cause gays to kill themselves and parents force their gay son/daughter out of the house. Homophobia is flourishing in the working class.
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Postby Coco and Castello » Tue Sep 11, 2018 6:52 am

On behalf of every gay person, I have a solution. We’ll do our thing, and you go back to whatever hole you came from and do yours.
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Postby Coco and Castello » Tue Sep 11, 2018 7:00 am

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Senator Huey Long wrote:I think the reasoning is that Muslim refugees are ostensibly more conservative and thus more homophobic than most westerners.

Yeah, but refugees can't vote, so they won't influence public policy, anyways.

No but what they can do is beat up gays in the streets (I’ve been harassed a few times for my rainbow wristband). They’ll be able to instate shariah laws against gay people when they overpower Western Europe in about 5 years time.
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Olthar wrote:Yeah, but refugees can't vote, so they won't influence public policy, anyways.

No but what they can do is beat up gays in the streets (I’ve been harassed a few times for my rainbow wristband). They’ll be able to instate shariah laws against gay people when they overpower Western Europe in about 5 years time.


In no way are the refugees going to be able to overpopulate the natives in 5 years.
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