Homosexuality and Culture

[Joohan]

Most faucets of social life have their own culture: sports, gaming, academics, mechanics, and of course - sex. This is especially true of homosexuality, which numerous unique symbols, phrases, and fascinations not found in other groups.

And because it was, until quite recently, a cultural taboo, it did develop as a counter-culture. And because, until recently, the only real concept of love and sex was in the heterosexual point of view, homosexuality had to kind of present itself as a spoof of it's host culture ( spoof in this case meaning unique parody ).

But yes, my opinion concurs with the author on the matter.

The sub-culture related to homosexuality ain't a spoof of it's "host culture".
It is also not built "purely on negation of its 'host culture'".

But what the fuck is its "host culture"? The sub-culture related to heterosexuality?

sub-cultures take inspiration from their host cultures. Sports fans are inspired by tribal and nationalistic tendencies, gamers are inspired by social atmospheres.

Sports and gaming were never really taboos to society though, so were never considered a counter culture. Homosexuality was, until quite recently. The inspiration for their subculture came from the host - main and ever pervading culture - that of heterosexuality.

[Ihury]

I'm willing to bet you haven't read Shakespeare's sonnets before.

Has anyone read it of their own choice?

I, for one, did. Probably explains why my circle of friends was smaller than average back in school.

[Joohan]

inspired from it's host culture...
I am supposing that you just don't like my use of the word, parody. It's a trivial thing when considering my point.

I wouldn't think that something you can't choose was inspired by anything.

how you chose to express it is though.

[The Greater Ohio Valley]

If anything, the discrimination and oppression of homosexuality has made negative contributions to our culture, especially in America where the ideals of liberty and freedom are supposed to be essential cornerstones to it.


Agreed on this 100%.

You will pardon me if I doubt "liberty and freedom" signified fellatio to the Minutemen.

You will have to excuse me if I don’t pardon you for taking the un-American stance of “freedom for me but not for thee”.

[The Liberated Territories]

Buzzwords.

If you are offended by homosexuality, take your advice and get over it.

If I had no higher concern than narcissistic hedonism, I would.

Yet apparently you have the concern to tell other people how to live, to think, to act?

[Joohan]

I agree, homosexuality is immoral and has detracted from our society rather than added to it.

How?

Why is homosexuality immoral?

It is literally two people of the same sex engaging in consensual acts.

there is more to society than consent

[Bombadil]

I agree, homosexuality is immoral and has detracted from our society rather than added to it.

I'm willing to bet you haven't read Shakespeare's sonnets before.

More ironically they're tapping away on a computer while dismissing any contribution by Turing..

[Joohan]

If I had no higher concern than narcissistic hedonism, I would.

Yet apparently you have the concern to tell other people how to live, to think, to act?

can not the selfless take action?

[Erythrean Thebes]

I agree, homosexuality is immoral and has detracted from our society rather than added to it.

The strength of society is totally illusory. Remember, society doesn't really exist, it only exists as a label and a shortcut we use when we want to consider the behavior of more than one individual at a time. The typical refrain from political extremists, regarding the 'strength' of society, is almost always just a point made actually about the strength of the relevant nation's military institutions. And indeed, although also a needless motive, this is perhaps where such a inclination toward strength belongs. Talking about society, there's no reason why you should need society to be stronger - assuming you mean strength in a fairly literal "force" and "power" sense. It won't improve anything to make society stronger that way, and it won't increase the quality of anybody's life. Perhaps it would be better if the police, or the military was stronger - but this is still probably false in the case of the former, and completely false in the instance of the latter. More importantly, there are actually only individuals, and a group of individuals together is classified as a society for the purpose of certain scientific studies. Any improvement to "society", will really be an improvement to one or a number of individual people. Similarly, society can't be "harmed" - only one or a number of individuals can come to harm. I wonder who is supposedly harmed individually by homosexuality?

[Mardla]

I agree, homosexuality is immoral and has detracted from our society rather than added to it.

I'm willing to bet you haven't read Shakespeare's sonnets before.

Homosexuality was very hip then, even King James (of the King James Bible) was into it. But homosexual culture of Shakespeare's time shares no continuity with contemporary homosexual culture. Also his sonnets are pretty meh compared to his incredible plays.

[Valgora]

The sub-culture related to homosexuality ain't a spoof of it's "host culture".
It is also not built "purely on negation of its 'host culture'".

But what the fuck is its "host culture"? The sub-culture related to heterosexuality?

sub-cultures take inspiration from their host cultures. Sports fans are inspired by tribal and nationalistic tendencies, gamers are inspired by social atmospheres.

Sports and gaming were never really taboos to society though, so were never considered a counter culture. Homosexuality was, until quite recently. The inspiration for their subculture came from the host - main and ever pervading culture - that of heterosexuality.

Exactly what parts of the sub-culture of heterosexuality are we considering the inspiration for the sub-culture related to homosexuality?

[Mardla]

If I had no higher concern than narcissistic hedonism, I would.

Yet apparently you have the concern to tell other people how to live, to think, to act?

I don't live in a vacuum.

[Ihury]

I'm willing to bet you haven't read Shakespeare's sonnets before.

More ironically they're tapping away on a computer while dismissing any contribution by Turing..

To be fair, Turing didn't contribute to computer science because he was a gay boi, but your point stands nonetheless.

[Valgora]

Yet apparently you have the concern to tell other people how to live, to think, to act?

can not the selfless take action?

Can you do it by not trying to dictate how others should live their life?

[Ihury]

I'm willing to bet you haven't read Shakespeare's sonnets before.

Homosexuality was very hip then, even King James (of the King James Bible) was into it. But homosexual culture of Shakespeare's time shares no continuity with contemporary homosexual culture. Also his sonnets are pretty meh compared to his incredible plays.

So pray tell, how is Renaissance homosexuality different from contemporary homosexuality, and why do you consider only the former to be acceptable?

[LimaUniformNovemberAlpha]

Homosexuality has contributed to our culture by proving through same-sex couples that men can do "women's" tasks and women can do "men's" tasks.

Why else did you think conservatives objected to gay adoption?

[The Greater Ohio Valley]

Buzzwords.

If you are offended by homosexuality, take your advice and get over it.

If I had no higher concern than narcissistic hedonism, I would.

Other people’s sexual orientation and other proclivities should hardly be concern at all since they bring no harm to you as an individual.

[Joohan]

sub-cultures take inspiration from their host cultures. Sports fans are inspired by tribal and nationalistic tendencies, gamers are inspired by social atmospheres.

Sports and gaming were never really taboos to society though, so were never considered a counter culture. Homosexuality was, until quite recently. The inspiration for their subculture came from the host - main and ever pervading culture - that of heterosexuality.

Exactly what parts of the sub-culture of heterosexuality are we considering the inspiration for the sub-culture related to homosexuality?

heterosexuality isn't a sub culture - it is the prevailing culture.

[The Liberated Territories]

Yet apparently you have the concern to tell other people how to live, to think, to act?

can not the selfless take action?

Feel free to scream upon the rooftops, until neighbors complain about the noise.

[Conserative Morality]

Heterosexuality is the true degeneracy, tbqh.

[Ihury]

If I had no higher concern than narcissistic hedonism, I would.

Other people’s sexual orientation and other proclivities should hardly be concern at all since they bring no harm to you as an individual.

Nor would allowing gay people to marry who they want, for that matter.

[The South Falls]

I wouldn't think that something you can't choose was inspired by anything.

how you chose to express it is though.

They don't mock heterosexuals, they just try to raise awareness that they're normal people.

[Joohan]

can not the selfless take action?

Can you do it by not trying to dictate how others should live their life?

nothing much was ever accomplished by sitting quietly in the corner.

[Nasha Zemlya]

If I had no higher concern than narcissistic hedonism, I would.

Other people’s sexual orientation and other proclivities should hardly be concern at all since they bring no harm to you as an individual.

Homosexuality is an evolutionary dead end, it brings harm to everybody.

[The Liberated Territories]

can not the selfless take action?

Can you do it by not trying to dictate how others should live their life?

More succinctly than I could have put it.