Entertainment and #MeToo

[Knask]

Are you mocking Bennet for his handwriting too now? That's a dick move.

That's grasping at straws. "Clearly feminine handwriting" implies that he did not write the note himself, and that it was written by Argento as an attempt to claim that he "wanted it".

Wait, so now he's a liar as well? And Argento wrote the note and sent it to TMZ in order to claim he wanted it while at the same time maintaining that no sex had taken place? That's a brilliant rouse!

And victim blaming too, by metoo logic.

But this is Knask we are talking about here, always obsessed with trying to make clever snarky points, only to fail miserably and come across with very very stupid ones instead.

I learned watching you, dad! I learned watching you...

[Des-Bal]

That's grasping at straws. "Clearly feminine handwriting" implies that he did not write the note himself, and that it was written by Argento as an attempt to claim that he "wanted it".

Yeah "clearly feminine handwriting" is a bullshit statement, if it was fabricated evidence then finding a person of the other gender to write it would be a trivial task. It is not acceptable to rush to judgement here just as it is unacceptable in any case. I will say that photographic evidence is something we generally don't have and the text messages, if they are genuine, are essentially a confession against self interest.

[Hirota]

Accusations of rape and sexual assault have always been used as weapons to destroy the lives of men.

MeToo only made that problem worse.

[citation needed]

Never heard of the Scottsboro Boys or Tawana Glenda Brawley?

I learned watching you, dad! I learned watching you...

Hah cute. But another obvious lie. I'd teach any son of mine much better life skills than making up insane bullshit as a part-time occupation and Tu quoque fallacies. If I was your Dad I'd be very disappointed. Now go to your room and think about what you've done.

[Wallenburg]

[citation needed]

Never heard of the Scottsboro Boys or Tawana Glenda Brawley?

The conviction and execution of the Scottsboro Boys was a miscarriage of justice born out of racial hatred, not out of some institutionalized misandry as some here might like to pretend.

Brawley's allegations were found false, so I'm not sure you can claim that it "destroyed the lives" of the men she accused.

[Des-Bal]

The conviction and execution of the Scottsboro Boys was a miscarriage of justice born out of racial hatred, not out of some institutionalized misandry as some here might like to pretend.

Brawley's allegations were found false, so I'm not sure you can claim that it "destroyed the lives" of the men she accused.

What nice deflection, they're lives were ruined y/n? I'll also note that race and gender are inseparably tied together. When we talk about black people being sentenced more harshly or killed by the police we're talking about black men. The idea that black men were monsters who had to be stopped from raping white women was the driving force behind the proliferation of lynching. Or is intersectionality like victim blaming or domestic violence one those things that doesn't really apply to men?

Brawley's a bad choice because his reputation was rehabilitated after it was proven her accusation was false the accused prevailed and despite brawley receiving a $30,000 watch and $100,000 to her education she went 25 years without paying the damages against her. Keep in mind the only reason this didn't ruin Steve Pagones' life was that he could afford it, it cost him hundreds of thousands of dollars to clear his name and in the meantime he was subject to constant harassment including death threats so severe he took to carrying a gun anywhere he went.

The duke case is a better example. People lost their jobs and had their reputations tarnished, I don't think the coach ever enjoyed the same success after the accusations. The team is permanently associated with rape and despite the legal action taken Crystal Magnum was never held responsible for the damage her false accusation caused. As a side note she's a murderer. And once again, these people were constantly harassed and threatened, their grades were penalized unfairly and they were openly insulted by their professors.

I mean we could go through a whole damn list, people who spent years in jail, people who committed suicide, people who were financially ruined but I don't think this is actually presenting new information.

[Hirota]

double post sorry

[Hirota]

The conviction and execution of the Scottsboro Boys was a miscarriage of justice born out of racial hatred, not out of some institutionalized misandry as some here might like to pretend.

Brawley's allegations were found false, so I'm not sure you can claim that it "destroyed the lives" of the men she accused.

They were accusations of rape that were used as weapons to attempt to destroy the lives of men. Ergo they demonstrate examples perfectly.

You disagree based on their motives - but you cannot claim with any certainty that is what Kaggeceria meant, because you gave him no opportunity to do so. Were the rape accusations a means to an end, or a hatred of men? Does it really matter?

Moreover, the fact that they may or may not have failed is irrelevant, but still demonstrate an attempt to destroy mens lives.

So yes, I absolutely can claim these two examples are evidence. But even then, I could probably pull another 5 or 6 examples if I really wanted where men were jailed for false accusations.

[Ethel mermania]

Never heard of the Scottsboro Boys or Tawana Glenda Brawley?

The conviction and execution of the Scottsboro Boys was a miscarriage of justice born out of racial hatred, not out of some institutionalized misandry as some here might like to pretend.

Brawley's allegations were found false, so I'm not sure you can claim that it "destroyed the lives" of the men she accused.

It absolutely did, the guy got fired, was bankrupted, and he never lived it down. And not ever an apology from Brawley or sharpton.

[MERIZoC]

Never heard of the Scottsboro Boys or Tawana Glenda Brawley?

The conviction and execution of the Scottsboro Boys was a miscarriage of justice born out of racial hatred, not out of some institutionalized misandry as some here might like to pretend.

Brawley's allegations were found false, so I'm not sure you can claim that it "destroyed the lives" of the men she accused.

80% of the people complaining about "false accusations" would have called for the heads of the Scottsboro Boys

[Des-Bal]

It absolutely did, the guy got fired, was bankrupted, and he never lived it down. And not ever an apology from Brawley or sharpton.

Sharpton had his damages paid by donors, Brawley wasn't required to pay at all for a quarter of a century.

[Hirota]

The conviction and execution of the Scottsboro Boys was a miscarriage of justice born out of racial hatred, not out of some institutionalized misandry as some here might like to pretend.

Brawley's allegations were found false, so I'm not sure you can claim that it "destroyed the lives" of the men she accused.

80% of the people complaining about "false accusations" would have called for the heads of the Scottsboro Boys

Fast forward 80 years and here we have people calling for their heads of anyone from as little as a tweet. It's funny how the pitchfork and torch crowd has transmuted from the religious mobs of Salem, to middle America closet KKK supporters to where we are today. And all the while there remain those critical of both examples of rabid fear mongering lunacy and would rather see due process rather than trial by the lynch mobs of the late 1600's, the 1930's and it's digital equivalent in this decade.

And I hate to say it to you Meri old bean, but that 80% is nothing more than a number pulled from your arse. Most people would rather see due process than the rabid lunacy of the 1600's, 1930s and metoo. But please do go ahead, burden of proof is on you to demonstrate the 80%, since you made the original claim...

[Des-Bal]

80% of the people complaining about "false accusations" would have called for the heads of the Scottsboro Boys

Fast forward 80 years and here we have people calling for their heads of anyone from as little as a tweet. It's funny how the pitchfork and torch crowd has transmuted from the religious mobs of Salem, to middle America closet KKK supporters to where we are today. And all the while there remain those critical of both examples of rabid fear mongering lunacy and would rather see due process rather than trial by the lynch mobs of the late 1600's, the 1930's and it's digital equivalent in this decade.

And I hate to say it to you Meri old bean, but that 80% is nothing more than a number pulled from your arse. Most people would rather see due process than the rabid lunacy of the 1600's, 1930s and metoo. But please do go ahead, burden of proof is on you to demonstrate the 80%, since you made the original claim...[/quote]

It's not funny. Rape has always been a rhetorical weapon to demonize a class of people and make acting immediately seem more attractive than acting reasonably. The same thing is being done with immigrants.