Franken never put his hand on her or her mouth nor laid on top of her either like with Kid Kavanaugh. This situation with Brett is worse. Withdraw his nomination. He can stay down on the federal bench. Not ready for primetime.
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by Jerzyland » Mon Sep 17, 2018 8:19 pm
by Grinning Dragon » Mon Sep 17, 2018 8:22 pm
by Petrasylvania » Mon Sep 17, 2018 8:23 pm
Jerzyland wrote:Petrasylvania wrote:If you notice the left hand in the photo it's clearly hovering above the chest but not touching. Plus if Franken actually groped her she would have recalled waking up to it.
Franken never put his hand on her or her mouth nor laid on top of her either like with Kid Kavanaugh. This situation with Brett is worse. Withdraw his nomination. He can stay down on the federal bench. Not ready for primetime.
by Petrasylvania » Mon Sep 17, 2018 8:25 pm
Grinning Dragon wrote:The Black Forrest wrote:
Not been identified. I don't think they have released the letter yet......
It's been hinted that it was Mark Judge and he's already made a statement that no such incident had occurred.
It also should be mentioned she said there were 4 present then changed her account to 2 present.
by Jerzyland » Mon Sep 17, 2018 8:26 pm
Petrasylvania wrote:Telconi wrote:
Well the gun part is a given, and if she felt in fear of her life she very well should have used it.
Wait, if she could see far enough into the future to write the letter why didn't she get a gun and prevent Kavanaugh from being nominated to begin with?
Oh right, she was 15 at the time.
Petrasylvania wrote:Jerzyland wrote:
Franken never put his hand on her or her mouth nor laid on top of her either like with Kid Kavanaugh. This situation with Brett is worse. Withdraw his nomination. He can stay down on the federal bench. Not ready for primetime.
But Clarence Thomas is lonely being the only sexual harasser on the Supreme Court and sees Kavanaugh as a bro spirit.
by Ethel mermania » Mon Sep 17, 2018 8:37 pm
Jerzyland wrote:Ethel mermania wrote:It's an extrapolation that when reporters contacted the women the claim is most of them did not want to speak on record.
Much like her comparison of kavanauh and Franken, facts don't matter to vass.
Wait. Facts don't matter to Trump, he's the #1. Vass is way way down the worldwide list of fact deniers.
by Greed and Death » Mon Sep 17, 2018 8:39 pm
The Black Forrest wrote:Greed and Death wrote:
I am not asking what you think he will do. I am saying what evidence would exonerate him?
Not sure at this point. He was well schooled on dodging questions. Will that work? What matters is if party members will "betray" the cause and switch votes. The demos played this well as it plays into the war on women narrative especially in the metoo times. Must irritate that hell out of all McC....
by Ethel mermania » Mon Sep 17, 2018 8:42 pm
Greed and Death wrote:The Black Forrest wrote:
Not sure at this point. He was well schooled on dodging questions. Will that work? What matters is if party members will "betray" the cause and switch votes. The demos played this well as it plays into the war on women narrative especially in the metoo times. Must irritate that hell out of all McC....
To be fair Kavanaugh never dodged this, he denied it. A dodge is a way to avoid answering a question so as to avoid perjury charges. A denial subjects the speaker to perjury.
As for who is presenting a story that is hard to nail down you should look to the accused. Thus far we have the emotional bits of the story, "he held me down and I thought he might kill me". But what is devoid from her story are verifiable facts.
Whose house was the party at ? She doesn't know.
What day was the party on ? She doesn't know.
What month was the party on ? She doesn't know.
What were the names of the people at the party ? She doesn't know.
So you mean to tell me on a date she is unsure of it at a house she doesn't know with people she doesn't know (except Kavanuagh and Mark Judge) despite the fact the girls present were likely classmates of hers at Holtan arms, she remembers in explicit details what Kavanaugh and Judge allegedly did to her. Her Story is like trying nail jello to a wall.
Anyway I will tell you how this will go unless she provides more facts. The democrats will question her on direct to present her story. The next day the Republicans will question her on cross to punch holes in it and to point out how her story lacks the sort of facts Kavanaugh would need to show he was not or could not have been there. The Republicans will point out she came forward in a way that seems almost calculated to delay the confirmation vote.
If she provides details Kavanaugh will speak and likely present a witness that is an alibi (likely his HS girlfriend, his College Girlfriend,or a family member). If she does not provide details Kavanuagh will not speak and instead the Republicans letter signed by 65 women will be entered into evidence again and a few choice women who signed it will be interviewed by the senate bonus points if they were classmates with the Accuser and thought she was weird or crazy.
After all of that Kavanuagh will be confirmed. The Republicans will defend it by pointing out the accuser failed to meet her greatly reduced burden of proof either because she provided no verifiable facts or it was a She said He said situation. They will then lament that Metoo movement has been weaponized.
by Telconi » Mon Sep 17, 2018 8:45 pm
Jerzyland wrote:Petrasylvania wrote:Wait, if she could see far enough into the future to write the letter why didn't she get a gun and prevent Kavanaugh from being nominated to begin with?
Oh right, she was 15 at the time.
Two words. Fake ID.
How do you think 17 year old Kavanaugh got his booze? Fake ID. He sure wasn't patient enough to distill it.
Maybe he should have put his hand over his own mouth and that's where he originally went bad. Poor little drunk conservative kid with a district court judge for a Mommy. The horror.Telconi wrote:
Well the gun part is a given, and if she felt in fear of her life she very well should have used it.
That's our Tel!
So Kavanaugh would be deceased now and his daughters wouldn't exist and will never have to get all this explained to them someday by the best Psychiatrists money can rent.Petrasylvania wrote:But Clarence Thomas is lonely being the only sexual harasser on the Supreme Court and sees Kavanaugh as a bro spirit.
Word from the cloakroom has it Kavanaugh prefers Pepsi cans over Coke.
by US-SSR » Mon Sep 17, 2018 9:00 pm
by Paddy O Fernature » Mon Sep 17, 2018 9:01 pm
US-SSR wrote:Nothing in the Constitution says there has to be only nine Supreme Court Justices. Just sayin'.
by The Black Forrest » Mon Sep 17, 2018 9:05 pm
Telconi wrote:Jerzyland wrote:
Two words. Fake ID.
How do you think 17 year old Kavanaugh got his booze? Fake ID. He sure wasn't patient enough to distill it.
Maybe he should have put his hand over his own mouth and that's where he originally went bad. Poor little drunk conservative kid with a district court judge for a Mommy. The horror.
That's our Tel!
So Kavanaugh would be deceased now and his daughters wouldn't exist and will never have to get all this explained to them someday by the best Psychiatrists money can rent.
Word from the cloakroom has it Kavanaugh prefers Pepsi cans over Coke.
More than likely ol' Brett would be alive and well, because armed or not, I doubt Mrs/Miss Ford could have caused real harm to someone not present by shooting her own politically motivated fantasy.
by The Black Forrest » Mon Sep 17, 2018 9:06 pm
US-SSR wrote:Nothing in the Constitution says there has to be only nine Supreme Court Justices. Just sayin'.
by Telconi » Mon Sep 17, 2018 9:06 pm
The Black Forrest wrote:Telconi wrote:
More than likely ol' Brett would be alive and well, because armed or not, I doubt Mrs/Miss Ford could have caused real harm to someone not present by shooting her own politically motivated fantasy.
Politically motivated? *shrugs* the same as you and the republicans.
by The Black Forrest » Mon Sep 17, 2018 9:08 pm
by Grinning Dragon » Mon Sep 17, 2018 9:10 pm
The Black Forrest wrote:Telconi wrote:
More than likely ol' Brett would be alive and well, because armed or not, I doubt Mrs/Miss Ford could have caused real harm to someone not present by shooting her own politically motivated fantasy.
Politically motivated? *shrugs* the same as you and the republicans.
by The Black Forrest » Mon Sep 17, 2018 9:12 pm
by US-SSR » Mon Sep 17, 2018 9:13 pm
Paddy O Fernature wrote:US-SSR wrote:Nothing in the Constitution says there has to be only nine Supreme Court Justices. Just sayin'.
Cause stacking the courts in one sides favor when you don't get your way after an election while at the same time bitching about how the courts might be stacked in the other sides favor is absolutely brilliant thinking.
by Paddy O Fernature » Mon Sep 17, 2018 9:16 pm
US-SSR wrote:Paddy O Fernature wrote:
Cause stacking the courts in one sides favor when you don't get your way after an election while at the same time bitching about how the courts might be stacked in the other sides favor is absolutely brilliant thinking.
What goes around comes around. As your countryman Mr. Dooley knew, politics ain't beanbag.
by The Black Forrest » Mon Sep 17, 2018 9:22 pm
by Telconi » Mon Sep 17, 2018 9:23 pm
by Ethel mermania » Mon Sep 17, 2018 9:27 pm
The Black Forrest wrote:Paddy O Fernature wrote:
Yes, excellent progressive thinking right here.
......
It's backwards shit thinking like that that's making problems all around worse, not better.
Are you assuming the cons want to make things better?
Politics is a pendulum. You swing it hard to one side and it will swing just as hard to the other side.
by Paddy O Fernature » Mon Sep 17, 2018 9:29 pm
The Black Forrest wrote:Paddy O Fernature wrote:
Yes, excellent progressive thinking right here.
......
It's backwards shit thinking like that that's making problems all around worse, not better.
Are you assuming the cons want to make things better?
Politics is a pendulum. You swing it hard to one side and it will swing just as hard to the other side.
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