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Do you support the confirmation of Justice Kavanaugh

Yes I support his confirmation allegations against him are likely false or insufficient evidence
108
45%
Yes I support his confirmation even though the allegations against him are likely true but they are just too old
1
0%
Yes I support his confirmation because of judicial philosophy regardless of the allegations being true or false
13
5%
No I am against his confirmation because the allegations are likely true
24
10%
No I am against his confirmation because of his judicial philosophy (pick this if both please)
92
39%
 
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Postby The Black Forrest » Mon Sep 17, 2018 7:52 pm

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I don't think he proffer anything since he claims to have no memory of the event or even the person.


I am not asking what you think he will do. I am saying what evidence would exonerate him?


Not sure at this point. He was well schooled on dodging questions. Will that work? What matters is if party members will "betray" the cause and switch votes. The demos played this well as it plays into the war on women narrative especially in the metoo times. Must irritate that hell out of all McC....
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Postby Fartsniffage » Mon Sep 17, 2018 7:52 pm

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I am not asking what you think he will do. I am saying what evidence would exonerate him?

I would posit that Kavanaugh does have a history of an esteemed career and his character, the testimony of Mark Judge and those who have worked with him and or dated him, those who have known him since childhood.


So did Bill Cosby.....until he didn't. Same with Jimmy Saville.

Not saying I think this guy is the same, but character references aren't seen as they used to be.

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Postby Telconi » Mon Sep 17, 2018 7:55 pm

The Black Forrest wrote:
Greed and Death wrote:
I am not asking what you think he will do. I am saying what evidence would exonerate him?


Not sure at this point. He was well schooled on dodging questions. Will that work? What matters is if party members will "betray" the cause and switch votes. The demos played this well as it plays into the war on women narrative especially in the metoo times. Must irritate that hell out of all McC....


TBH It's 2018 and a Republican, I'd have been surprised if nobody pulled a rape allegation out if their ass.
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Postby Bombadil » Mon Sep 17, 2018 8:00 pm

Telconi wrote:
The Black Forrest wrote:
Not sure at this point. He was well schooled on dodging questions. Will that work? What matters is if party members will "betray" the cause and switch votes. The demos played this well as it plays into the war on women narrative especially in the metoo times. Must irritate that hell out of all McC....


TBH It's 2018 and a Republican, I'd have been surprised if nobody pulled a rape allegation out if their ass.


I wouldn't be surprised if this was true, especially the way he worded his statement..

“Because this never happened, I had no idea who was making this accusation until she identified herself yesterday. I am willing to talk to the Senate judiciary committee in any way the committee deems appropriate to refute this false allegation, from 36 years ago, and defend my integrity.”

That 'from 36 years ago' is unnecessary if the incident never happened as he says. He has no reason to add a defence that it happened a long time ago if it didn't happen. Little things like this don't prove anything but they indicate a guilty mind.

However I doubt it will matter, unless a trove of people come forward that make it a repeated issue then he'll be confirmed.
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Postby Telconi » Mon Sep 17, 2018 8:02 pm

Bombadil wrote:
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TBH It's 2018 and a Republican, I'd have been surprised if nobody pulled a rape allegation out if their ass.


I wouldn't be surprised if this was true, especially the way he worded his statement..

“Because this never happened, I had no idea who was making this accusation until she identified herself yesterday. I am willing to talk to the Senate judiciary committee in any way the committee deems appropriate to refute this false allegation, from 36 years ago, and defend my integrity.”

That 'from 36 years ago' is unnecessary if the incident never happened as he says. He has no reason to add a defence that it happened a long time ago if it didn't happen. Little things like this don't prove anything but they indicate a guilty mind.

However I doubt it will matter, unless a trove of people come forward that make it a repeated issue then he'll be confirmed.


Yeah if he added "from thirty-six years ago" indicates guilt to you, I think you're grasping at very small straws.
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Postby Greed and Death » Mon Sep 17, 2018 8:04 pm

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I am not asking what you think he will do. I am saying what evidence would exonerate him?


No evidence will exonerate him, and that works both ways you read it.


Ladies and gentleman this is the definition of a partisan. No evidence may acquit you once accused if it produces the results Fartsniffage. Even with a reversed burden of proof its not good enough for Fartsniffage.
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Postby Paddy O Fernature » Mon Sep 17, 2018 8:04 pm

Telconi wrote:
The Black Forrest wrote:
Not sure at this point. He was well schooled on dodging questions. Will that work? What matters is if party members will "betray" the cause and switch votes. The demos played this well as it plays into the war on women narrative especially in the metoo times. Must irritate that hell out of all McC....


TBH It's 2018 and a Republican, I'd have been surprised if nobody pulled a rape allegation out if their ass.


Sad but true.

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Postby Bombadil » Mon Sep 17, 2018 8:06 pm

Telconi wrote:
Bombadil wrote:
I wouldn't be surprised if this was true, especially the way he worded his statement..

“Because this never happened, I had no idea who was making this accusation until she identified herself yesterday. I am willing to talk to the Senate judiciary committee in any way the committee deems appropriate to refute this false allegation, from 36 years ago, and defend my integrity.”

That 'from 36 years ago' is unnecessary if the incident never happened as he says. He has no reason to add a defence that it happened a long time ago if it didn't happen. Little things like this don't prove anything but they indicate a guilty mind.

However I doubt it will matter, unless a trove of people come forward that make it a repeated issue then he'll be confirmed.


Yeah if he added "from thirty-six years ago" indicates guilt to you, I think you're grasping at very small straws.


I said I wouldn't be surprised. The way people word things is important, and people are trained in spotting these things for interrogations and etc.. it doesn't prove anything but it can indicate the difference between what's made up and what's true when people express.
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Postby Fartsniffage » Mon Sep 17, 2018 8:07 pm

Greed and Death wrote:
Bombadil wrote:
No evidence will exonerate him, and that works both ways you read it.


Ladies and gentleman this is the definition of a partisan. No evidence may acquit you once accused if it produces the results Fartsniffage. Even with a reversed burden of proof its not good enough for Fartsniffage.


You think he has any evidence other than his word?

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Postby Telconi » Mon Sep 17, 2018 8:10 pm

Fartsniffage wrote:
Greed and Death wrote:
Ladies and gentleman this is the definition of a partisan. No evidence may acquit you once accused if it produces the results Fartsniffage. Even with a reversed burden of proof its not good enough for Fartsniffage.


You think he has any evidence other than his word?


I don't think he needs any more. This woman has no evidence other than her word, he says "nuh uh, didn't happen" tie goes to the defender, and we move on.
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Postby Bombadil » Mon Sep 17, 2018 8:11 pm

Greed and Death wrote:
Bombadil wrote:
No evidence will exonerate him, and that works both ways you read it.


Ladies and gentleman this is the definition of a partisan. No evidence may acquit you once accused if it produces the results Fartsniffage. Even with a reversed burden of proof its not good enough for Fartsniffage.


Well it's the definition of partisans.. the two ways to read the sentence is that 'if there is no evidence then he's exonerated' and then also 'it's doesn't matter if there's loads of evidence he's innocent, some people will consider him guilty'.
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Postby Bombadil » Mon Sep 17, 2018 8:12 pm

Telconi wrote:
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You think he has any evidence other than his word?


I don't think he needs any more. This woman has no evidence other than her word, he says "nuh uh, didn't happen" tie goes to the defender, and we move on.


Well technically there should be a third person..

She alleged that Kavanaugh and a friend – both “stumbling drunk” – corralled her into a bedroom at a party. Kavanaugh then pinned her on a bed, she said, groping her and placing his hand over her mouth. Ford said she was able to escape only when the friend jumped on top of them.
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Postby Fartsniffage » Mon Sep 17, 2018 8:13 pm

Telconi wrote:
Fartsniffage wrote:
You think he has any evidence other than his word?


I don't think he needs any more. This woman has no evidence other than her word, he says "nuh uh, didn't happen" tie goes to the defender, and we move on.


In a court of law, yes. But again, this is a job interview. And a job interview where even the interviewers are subject to getting the sack if the public isn't happy with their decision.

Now the whole thing has been re-opened and it will be public then how they both perform will matter.

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Postby Jerzyland » Mon Sep 17, 2018 8:14 pm

Telconi wrote:
Fartsniffage wrote:
You think he has any evidence other than his word?


I don't think he needs any more. This woman has no evidence other than her word, he says "nuh uh, didn't happen" tie goes to the defender, and we move on.


She should have had a gun on her person that day and shot him while standing her ground. Isn't that right, Tel? 8)
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Postby Petrasylvania » Mon Sep 17, 2018 8:14 pm

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Petrasylvania wrote:The picture was him trying to look like he was groping an unconscious woman using a tacky visual trick. But again that was treated like Dark Web Porn.


Source on it being a visual trick, please.

If you notice the left hand in the photo it's clearly hovering above the chest but not touching. Plus if Franken actually groped her she would have recalled waking up to it.
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Postby Telconi » Mon Sep 17, 2018 8:14 pm

Bombadil wrote:
Telconi wrote:
I don't think he needs any more. This woman has no evidence other than her word, he says "nuh uh, didn't happen" tie goes to the defender, and we move on.


Well technically there should be a third person..

She alleged that Kavanaugh and a friend – both “stumbling drunk” – corralled her into a bedroom at a party. Kavanaugh then pinned her on a bed, she said, groping her and placing his hand over her mouth. Ford said she was able to escape only when the friend jumped on top of them.


And who's the friend?
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Postby The Black Forrest » Mon Sep 17, 2018 8:15 pm

Greed and Death wrote:
Bombadil wrote:
No evidence will exonerate him, and that works both ways you read it.


Ladies and gentleman this is the definition of a partisan. No evidence may acquit you once accused if it produces the results Fartsniffage. Even with a reversed burden of proof its not good enough for Fartsniffage.


It's partisan times. He only has his word and we should accept it because why? He is friendly to companies? Guns? Whatever?

She could have reasonable evidence and it will not be accepted by most of those supporting him.
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Postby Telconi » Mon Sep 17, 2018 8:16 pm

Jerzyland wrote:
Telconi wrote:
I don't think he needs any more. This woman has no evidence other than her word, he says "nuh uh, didn't happen" tie goes to the defender, and we move on.


She should have had a gun on her person that day and shot him while standing her ground. Isn't that right, Tel? 8)


Well the gun part is a given, and if she felt in fear of her life she very well should have used it.
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Postby Petrasylvania » Mon Sep 17, 2018 8:16 pm

The Black Forrest wrote:
Greed and Death wrote:
Ladies and gentleman this is the definition of a partisan. No evidence may acquit you once accused if it produces the results Fartsniffage. Even with a reversed burden of proof its not good enough for Fartsniffage.


It's partisan times. He only has his word and we should accept it because why? He is friendly to companies? Guns? Whatever?

She could have reasonable evidence and it will not be accepted by most of those supporting him.

There could be a video and they'd say The Slut Faked It.
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Postby The Black Forrest » Mon Sep 17, 2018 8:16 pm

Telconi wrote:
Bombadil wrote:
Well technically there should be a third person..

She alleged that Kavanaugh and a friend – both “stumbling drunk” – corralled her into a bedroom at a party. Kavanaugh then pinned her on a bed, she said, groping her and placing his hand over her mouth. Ford said she was able to escape only when the friend jumped on top of them.


And who's the friend?


Not been identified. I don't think they have released the letter yet......
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Postby Bombadil » Mon Sep 17, 2018 8:17 pm

Telconi wrote:
Bombadil wrote:
Well technically there should be a third person..

She alleged that Kavanaugh and a friend – both “stumbling drunk” – corralled her into a bedroom at a party. Kavanaugh then pinned her on a bed, she said, groping her and placing his hand over her mouth. Ford said she was able to escape only when the friend jumped on top of them.


And who's the friend?


I don't know, I have no recollection of the incident myself. Just noting that technically there is a witness given the story is true.
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Postby Fartsniffage » Mon Sep 17, 2018 8:17 pm

Telconi wrote:
Jerzyland wrote:
She should have had a gun on her person that day and shot him while standing her ground. Isn't that right, Tel? 8)


Well the gun part is a given, and if she felt in fear of her life she very well should have used it.


Why? You don't shoot drunken 17 year olds. You said that.

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Postby Paddy O Fernature » Mon Sep 17, 2018 8:18 pm

Petrasylvania wrote:
The Black Forrest wrote:
It's partisan times. He only has his word and we should accept it because why? He is friendly to companies? Guns? Whatever?

She could have reasonable evidence and it will not be accepted by most of those supporting him.

There could be a video and they'd say The Slut Faked It.


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Postby Petrasylvania » Mon Sep 17, 2018 8:18 pm

Telconi wrote:
Jerzyland wrote:
She should have had a gun on her person that day and shot him while standing her ground. Isn't that right, Tel? 8)


Well the gun part is a given, and if she felt in fear of her life she very well should have used it.

Wait, if she could see far enough into the future to write the letter why didn't she get a gun and prevent Kavanaugh from being nominated to begin with?

Oh right, she was 15 at the time.
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Postby Telconi » Mon Sep 17, 2018 8:18 pm

Fartsniffage wrote:
Telconi wrote:
Well the gun part is a given, and if she felt in fear of her life she very well should have used it.


Why? You don't shoot drunken 17 year olds. You said that.


I'm not Mrs. (miss?) Ford.
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