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Do you support the confirmation of Justice Kavanaugh

Yes I support his confirmation allegations against him are likely false or insufficient evidence
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45%
Yes I support his confirmation even though the allegations against him are likely true but they are just too old
1
0%
Yes I support his confirmation because of judicial philosophy regardless of the allegations being true or false
13
5%
No I am against his confirmation because the allegations are likely true
24
10%
No I am against his confirmation because of his judicial philosophy (pick this if both please)
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39%
 
Total votes : 238

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Postby Proctopeo » Mon Sep 17, 2018 5:58 pm

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Proctopeo wrote:Making another claim doesn't count as a citation...


http://projects.thestar.com/donald-trump-fact-check/

A cursory glance does reveal that many of these are nitpicks, or minor mistakes (not "lies") on his part, but some are definitely lies.
Doesn't really mean he's the #1 liar though, there's lots and lots of other liars who are far worse.
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Postby Fartsniffage » Mon Sep 17, 2018 6:01 pm

Proctopeo wrote:

A cursory glance does reveal that many of these are nitpicks, or minor mistakes (not "lies") on his part, but some are definitely lies.
Doesn't really mean he's the #1 liar though, there's lots and lots of other liars who are far worse.


Depends how you look at it. Joe Bloggs might claim he has a 10 inch cock but that really doesn't matter. When PotUS lies it can impact the most powerful nation on the planet.

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Postby Kowani » Mon Sep 17, 2018 6:03 pm

Fartsniffage wrote:
Proctopeo wrote:A cursory glance does reveal that many of these are nitpicks, or minor mistakes (not "lies") on his part, but some are definitely lies.
Doesn't really mean he's the #1 liar though, there's lots and lots of other liars who are far worse.


Depends how you look at it. Joe Bloggs might claim he has a 10 inch cock but that really doesn't matter. When PotUS lies it can impact the most powerful nation on the planet.

And it tends to impact other nations as well. This is why we should really hold the president to a higher standard than everyone else: Their actions impact everyone else on the planet.
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Postby Proctopeo » Mon Sep 17, 2018 6:03 pm

Fartsniffage wrote:
Proctopeo wrote:A cursory glance does reveal that many of these are nitpicks, or minor mistakes (not "lies") on his part, but some are definitely lies.
Doesn't really mean he's the #1 liar though, there's lots and lots of other liars who are far worse.


Depends how you look at it. Joe Bloggs might claim he has a 10 inch cock but that really doesn't matter. When PotUS lies it can impact the most powerful nation on the planet.

Every president lies, though. The thing that matters is the quality (and magnitude), not the quantity, of the lies. Most of his seem rather unimportant.
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Postby Jerzyland » Mon Sep 17, 2018 6:05 pm

Proctopeo wrote:

A cursory glance does reveal that many of these are nitpicks, or minor mistakes (not "lies") on his part, but some are definitely lies.
Doesn't really mean he's the #1 liar though, there's lots and lots of other liars who are far worse.


Are you really choosing this hill to die on? That Trump isn't currently viewed as the world's most prolific liar?

His lying is literally a meme.
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Postby Tarsonis » Mon Sep 17, 2018 6:06 pm

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what past?


Former black out style alcoholic who allegedly forced himself on one young woman inside a locked bedroom at a party with his wing man;s assistance. That allegation needs investigating IMHO. And so it shall be.



Allegedly, with zero corroborating evidence beyond one person’s unsubstantiated claims.

What I said was not an oversimplification, there is absolutely zero evidence that gives this any credence. There’s no evidence to support her claims, no indication that Kavanaugh was in anyway associated with her until the July letter. I don’t know how you think that she “seems legit” beyond you’re just assuming so because he’s a conservative Trump nominee
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Postby Kash Island » Mon Sep 17, 2018 6:07 pm

Jerzyland wrote:
Proctopeo wrote:A cursory glance does reveal that many of these are nitpicks, or minor mistakes (not "lies") on his part, but some are definitely lies.
Doesn't really mean he's the #1 liar though, there's lots and lots of other liars who are far worse.


Are you really choosing this hill to die on? That Trump isn't currently viewed as the world's most prolific liar?


really? Kim Jong Un beats him?

out wait, that's right, the international community is pretty garbage and full of crap a lot of the time.
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Postby Right wing humour squad » Mon Sep 17, 2018 6:07 pm

Jerzyland wrote:
Proctopeo wrote:A cursory glance does reveal that many of these are nitpicks, or minor mistakes (not "lies") on his part, but some are definitely lies.
Doesn't really mean he's the #1 liar though, there's lots and lots of other liars who are far worse.


Are you really choosing this hill to die on? That Trump isn't currently viewed as the world's most prolific liar?


Hillary is still alive so no he isn’t.
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Postby Proctopeo » Mon Sep 17, 2018 6:07 pm

Jerzyland wrote:
Proctopeo wrote:A cursory glance does reveal that many of these are nitpicks, or minor mistakes (not "lies") on his part, but some are definitely lies.
Doesn't really mean he's the #1 liar though, there's lots and lots of other liars who are far worse.


Are you really choosing this hill to die on? That Trump isn't currently viewed as the world's most prolific liar?

No, not that he isn't viewed as that, but that he overall isn't. Get it right.
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Postby Albrenia » Mon Sep 17, 2018 6:08 pm

Would it be possible to launch an investigation but continue the confirmation hearing as normal? I'm not sure of SCOTUS rules about investigations and charges thereof.

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Postby Fartsniffage » Mon Sep 17, 2018 6:08 pm

Proctopeo wrote:
Fartsniffage wrote:
Depends how you look at it. Joe Bloggs might claim he has a 10 inch cock but that really doesn't matter. When PotUS lies it can impact the most powerful nation on the planet.

Every president lies, though. The thing that matters is the quality (and magnitude), not the quantity, of the lies. Most of his seem rather unimportant.


Given the sheer number and variety of lies though, do you believe anything he says without checking it first?

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Postby Proctopeo » Mon Sep 17, 2018 6:09 pm

Fartsniffage wrote:
Proctopeo wrote:Every president lies, though. The thing that matters is the quality (and magnitude), not the quantity, of the lies. Most of his seem rather unimportant.


Given the sheer number and variety of lies though, do you believe anything he says without checking it first?

I don't believe anything any politician says without checking it first (unless it's something you can't dispute or something), so I fail to see your point.
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Postby Fartsniffage » Mon Sep 17, 2018 6:12 pm

Proctopeo wrote:
Jerzyland wrote:
Are you really choosing this hill to die on? That Trump isn't currently viewed as the world's most prolific liar?

No, not that he isn't viewed as that, but that he overall isn't. Get it right.


So who is?

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Postby Tarsonis » Mon Sep 17, 2018 6:13 pm

Albrenia wrote:Would it be possible to launch an investigation but continue the confirmation hearing as normal? I'm not sure of SCOTUS rules about investigations and charges thereof.


FBI could launch its own criminal investigation. They already said they won’t because there’s nothing to investigate. She accused him of doing something nearly 40 years ago, with no credible eye witnesses around to see it. It litterally can’t be vetted.
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Postby Albrenia » Mon Sep 17, 2018 6:14 pm

Tarsonis wrote:
Albrenia wrote:Would it be possible to launch an investigation but continue the confirmation hearing as normal? I'm not sure of SCOTUS rules about investigations and charges thereof.


FBI could launch its own criminal investigation. They already said they won’t because there’s nothing to investigate. She accused him of doing something nearly 40 years ago, with no credible eye witnesses around to see it. It litterally can’t be vetted.


Oh god, that means I'm going to have to agree with the goddamn Republicans and think there's not much that can be done besides continue then.

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Postby Kash Island » Mon Sep 17, 2018 6:14 pm

Tarsonis wrote:
Albrenia wrote:Would it be possible to launch an investigation but continue the confirmation hearing as normal? I'm not sure of SCOTUS rules about investigations and charges thereof.


FBI could launch its own criminal investigation. They already said they won’t because there’s nothing to investigate. She accused him of doing something nearly 40 years ago, with no credible eye witnesses around to see it. It litterally can’t be vetted.


I don't think they realize this little stunt is going to blow up in their faces.

Once they find out this is complete BS I would start sueing people for whatever I could.
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Postby Jerzyland » Mon Sep 17, 2018 6:15 pm

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Former black out style alcoholic who allegedly forced himself on one young woman inside a locked bedroom at a party with his wing man;s assistance. That allegation needs investigating IMHO. And so it shall be.



Allegedly, with zero corroborating evidence beyond one person’s unsubstantiated claims.

What I said was not an oversimplification, there is absolutely zero evidence that gives this any credence. There’s no evidence to support her claims, no indication that Kavanaugh was in anyway associated with her until the July letter. I don’t know how you think that she “seems legit” beyond you’re just assuming so because he’s a conservative Trump nominee


The no evidence no evidence no evidence chant is so 2017. It's 2018 and all of Trumps top men have plea deals. Wrong about no evidence then, maybe wrong about no evidence now.
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Postby The South Falls » Mon Sep 17, 2018 6:16 pm

Kash Island wrote:
Tarsonis wrote:
FBI could launch its own criminal investigation. They already said they won’t because there’s nothing to investigate. She accused him of doing something nearly 40 years ago, with no credible eye witnesses around to see it. It litterally can’t be vetted.


I don't think they realize this little stunt is going to blow up in their faces.

Once they find out this is complete BS I would start sueing people for whatever I could.

I mean, the republicans stunt with the last Democratically-nominated judge didn't hurt them.

Am I condoning this?

No.

Am I saying the Republicans have no leg to stand on?

Yes.
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Postby Fartsniffage » Mon Sep 17, 2018 6:16 pm

Albrenia wrote:
Tarsonis wrote:
FBI could launch its own criminal investigation. They already said they won’t because there’s nothing to investigate. She accused him of doing something nearly 40 years ago, with no credible eye witnesses around to see it. It litterally can’t be vetted.


Oh god, that means I'm going to have to agree with the goddamn Republicans and think there's not much that can be done besides continue then.


You have to remember the Senate hearings into confirmation aren't a trial, they're a job interview. He could be denied simply because they don't like the colour of his tie.

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Postby Kash Island » Mon Sep 17, 2018 6:16 pm

The South Falls wrote:
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I don't think they realize this little stunt is going to blow up in their faces.

Once they find out this is complete BS I would start sueing people for whatever I could.

I mean, the republicans stunt with the last Democratically-nominated judge didn't hurt them.

Am I condoning this?

No.

Am I saying the Republicans have no leg to stand on?

Yes.


can you educate me on the last stunt they pulled? I'm unaware, need to be educated.
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Postby Jerzyland » Mon Sep 17, 2018 6:17 pm

Fartsniffage wrote:
Proctopeo wrote:No, not that he isn't viewed as that, but that he overall isn't. Get it right.


So who is?


Really, he should tell us who is currently more prolific a liar than Trump?

Citation! :rofl:
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Postby Kash Island » Mon Sep 17, 2018 6:19 pm

Jerzyland wrote:
Fartsniffage wrote:
So who is?


Really, he should tell us who is currently more prolific a liar than Trump?

Citation! :rofl:


do you really trust Kim Jong Un over Trump?
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Postby Gun Manufacturers » Mon Sep 17, 2018 6:21 pm

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Petrasylvania wrote:Remember when Bill Clinton also received benefit of the doubt? Oh right...


Let's go with a bit more recent example. Al Franken, did he also received any benefit of the doubt? He was a comedian joking around. Kavan ugh should withdraw his nomination.

A nominee for justice on the SCOTUS must be beyond reproach. This man clearly is not.


There was actual physical evidence against Franken, though. Namely, there was a picture of him groping an unconscious woman.
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Postby Albrenia » Mon Sep 17, 2018 6:21 pm

Kash Island wrote:
Jerzyland wrote:
Really, he should tell us who is currently more prolific a liar than Trump?

Citation! :rofl:


do you really trust Kim Jong Un over Trump?


My trust of either is 0%, but I'd consider Kim more dangerous since he murders people with murder, not tweets.

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Postby Kash Island » Mon Sep 17, 2018 6:22 pm

Albrenia wrote:
Kash Island wrote:
do you really trust Kim Jong Un over Trump?


My trust of either is 0%, but I'd consider Kim more dangerous since he murders people with murder, not tweets.


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