Judge Kavanaugh's confirmation Hearing Now with Poll

[Tobleste]

Rookie mistake.

Honestly I think he got railroaded. He said at the time some things I did do, others are lies.

I think he had done enough wrong and the climate had changed enough in his party to make his position untenable. He was unlikely to get the support of many dem voters after that. People like Trump are different because they appeal to voters who either don't care about #Me Too or actively oppose it. They can reject all accusations, call their accusers liars that should be sued and even if evidence comes up, insist that it's all fake. Because democratic voters won't accept effectively targeting sexual assault accusers, their politicians are more likely to lose their seat due to allegations.

[Jerzyland]

True to form hypocrite.

Not really. The Franken Case was quite different, there was corroborated testimony, and actual evidence of the events to back up the claims.

There’s nothing like that with the Kavenaugh Case.

The Franken Case occurred more or less organically as part of the #metoo movement.

With Kavanaugh the whole thing reeks of partisan posturing rather than credibility. This is reading more and more like smear and hit piece rather than a legitimate accusation.

The entirety of interaction by the GOP with the Dems has been by smear tactics, mudslinging and various search and destroy missions of candidates for years. That's what reeks. Check your own garbage can.

That being said, I think Ms. Ford seems totally legit at this point. She's probably not on an unjustified revenge mission.

I meant McConnell was true to his form. Mitch is a long standing hypocrite. But more to the threads topic, there's plenty more to hear about Kavanaugh's past sexual exploits. Should be real conservative, right? Sex just to make babies and no other stuff.

[Proctopeo]

Where are you getting this false pretenses thing from?

It's an extrapolation that when reporters contacted the women the claim is most of them did not want to speak on record.

Much like her comparison of kavanauh and Franken, facts don't matter to vass.

But one illogical interpretation of one article by a questionable source says that all but two were lying, which is clearly more factual than actual facts. /s

[Jerzyland]

There is hypocrisy in so many places here, on part of the GOP, but I will give them credit with Franken. Franken was largely eaten alive by his own party (Gillibrand, anyone) than the GOP.

Unfortunately Jerzyland’s position sets dangerous precedent that, that inorder to prevent a confirmation they don’t want, all a side has to do is accuse the nominee of a crime. Even if there’s no way to corroborate the accusation, by Jerzy’s standards they should be blocked. This is not a good precedent for our democracy

That's a shameless oversimplification and you know it. The only dangerous precedent here is filling our government's highest offices with individuals that haven't the necessary character. Mr. Kavanaugh needs to face his past.

[Kash Island]

Unfortunately Jerzyland’s position sets dangerous precedent that, that inorder to prevent a confirmation they don’t want, all a side has to do is accuse the nominee of a crime. Even if there’s no way to corroborate the accusation, by Jerzy’s standards they should be blocked. This is not a good precedent for our democracy

That's a shameless oversimplification and you know it. The only dangerous precedent here is filling our government's highest offices with individuals that haven't the necessary character. Mr. Kavanaugh needs to face his past.

what past?

[Jerzyland]

Where are you getting this false pretenses thing from?

It's an extrapolation that when reporters contacted the women the claim is most of them did not want to speak on record.

Much like her comparison of kavanauh and Franken, facts don't matter to vass.

Wait. Facts don't matter to Trump, he's the #1. Vass is way way down the worldwide list of fact deniers.

[Proctopeo]

It's an extrapolation that when reporters contacted the women the claim is most of them did not want to speak on record.

Much like her comparison of kavanauh and Franken, facts don't matter to vass.

Wait. Facts don't matter to Trump, he's the #1. Vass is way way down the worldwide list of fact deniers.

Whataboutism :^)

[Right wing humour squad]

It's an extrapolation that when reporters contacted the women the claim is most of them did not want to speak on record.

Much like her comparison of kavanauh and Franken, facts don't matter to vass.

Wait. Facts don't matter to Trump, he's the #1. Vass is way way down the worldwide list of fact deniers.

Citation needed

[Jerzyland]

That's a shameless oversimplification and you know it. The only dangerous precedent here is filling our government's highest offices with individuals that haven't the necessary character. Mr. Kavanaugh needs to face his past.

what past?

Former black out style alcoholic who allegedly forced himself on one young woman inside a locked bedroom at a party with his wing man;s assistance. That allegation needs investigating IMHO. And so it shall be.

[Jerzyland]

Wait. Facts don't matter to Trump, he's the #1. Vass is way way down the worldwide list of fact deniers.

Whataboutism :^)

Labelism. ;^)

[Proctopeo]

Whataboutism :^)

Labelism. ;^)

:thonk:

[Sovaal]

Whataboutism :^)

Labelism. ;^)

Octopusism?

[Tobleste]

Wait. Facts don't matter to Trump, he's the #1. Vass is way way down the worldwide list of fact deniers.

Citation needed

I don't know if that's something that needs citation. "Facts don't matter to Trump" is like "Trump is American" or "water is wet". It's generally accepted as being obvious.

[Proctopeo]

Citation needed

I don't know if that's something that needs citation. "Facts don't matter to Trump" is like "Trump is American" or "water is wet". It's generally accepted as being obvious.

Not really.

[Jerzyland]

Citation needed

I don't know if that's something that needs citation. "Facts don't matter to Trump" is like "Trump is American" or "water is wet". It's generally accepted as being obvious.

Thank you. The NS deep state however does not.

[Albrenia]

I don't know if that's something that needs citation. "Facts don't matter to Trump" is like "Trump is American" or "water is wet". It's generally accepted as being obvious.

Not really.

Really. Even his supporters know that he can't be taken 'literally' because he's so full of shit.

Alternative Facts, indeed.

[Luminesa]

I don't know if that's something that needs citation. "Facts don't matter to Trump" is like "Trump is American" or "water is wet". It's generally accepted as being obvious.

Thank you. The NS deep state however does not.

So stop looking-up facts because Trump doesn’t care about them? I’m not sure if I understood. If that’s the case, that’s a rather denegrating way for a discussion to go.

[Proctopeo]

Not really.

Really. Even his supporters know that he can't be taken 'literally' because he's so full of shit.

Alternative Facts, indeed.

Citation needed.

[Jerzyland]

Not really.

Really. Even his supporters know that he can't be taken 'literally' because he's so full of shit.

Alternative Facts, indeed.

They even think there's a red wave coming 7 weeks from now. The blue wave thingy is fake news. Hee hee hee, shhhh!

[Luminesa]

what past?

Former black out style alcoholic who allegedly forced himself on one young woman inside a locked bedroom at a party with his wing man;s assistance. That allegation needs investigating IMHO. And so it shall be.

It should be investigated. If something comes of it, deal with him. If nothing, then nothing. Both Kavanaugh and Ellison (that’s the name I think) should be investigated fully.

(If I got a name wrong or missed an event that happened with Ellison, I am running on two hours of sleep. Sorry.)

[Albrenia]

Really. Even his supporters know that he can't be taken 'literally' because he's so full of shit.

Alternative Facts, indeed.

Citation needed.

I don't want to derail this thread so this is the last I'll post on it, but Trump's habit of lying is well known. From his inauguration crowd size, no less, to current day.

[Luminesa]

Not really. The Franken Case was quite different, there was corroborated testimony, and actual evidence of the events to back up the claims.

There’s nothing like that with the Kavenaugh Case.

The Franken Case occurred more or less organically as part of the #metoo movement.

With Kavanaugh the whole thing reeks of partisan posturing rather than credibility. This is reading more and more like smear and hit piece rather than a legitimate accusation.

The entirety of interaction by the GOP with the Dems has been by smear tactics, mudslinging and various search and destroy missions of candidates for years. That's what reeks. Check your own garbage can.

That being said, I think Ms. Ford seems totally legit at this point. She's probably not on an unjustified revenge mission.

I meant McConnell was true to his form. Mitch is a long standing hypocrite. But more to the threads topic, there's plenty more to hear about Kavanaugh's past sexual exploits. Should be real conservative, right? Sex just to make babies and no other stuff.

Democrats do the same thing. Both sides should be held accountable, regardless of whether or not one does it more.

[Proctopeo]

Citation needed.

I don't want to derail this thread so this is the last I'll post on it, but Trump's habit of lying is well known. From his inauguration crowd size, no less, to current day.

Making another claim doesn't count as a citation...

[Fartsniffage]

I don't want to derail this thread so this is the last I'll post on it, but Trump's habit of lying is well known. From his inauguration crowd size, no less, to current day.

Making another claim doesn't count as a citation...

http://projects.thestar.com/donald-trump-fact-check/

[Jerzyland]

Thank you. The NS deep state however does not.

So stop looking-up facts because Trump doesn’t care about them? I’m not sure if I understood. If that’s the case, that’s a rather denegrating way for a discussion to go.

Nope.
The point is ...how do you Trump people square that, the president not adhering to facts? Isn't he a role model for our children who will be the leaders, teachers, businessmen and parents of the future generation? If not, when did we decide he could virtually be Joe Isuzu and it's okay. When?