Judge Kavanaugh's confirmation Hearing Now with Poll

[Jerzyland]

Also IIRC McConnell was adamant that Franken should resign over his allegations, and now is pearl-clutching over the idea that people think Kav should do the same.

True to form hypocrite.

[Fartsniffage]

Because she got doxxed.

My understanding is she came out on her own, as she started this in 2012.

Wasn't that to her therapist?

[Neutraligon]

There is an election, namely the midterm. If that election has no risk as you claim then the five week limit you are putting on is useless as the guy will be confirmed whether or not the election occurs. So which is it, is there a risk or is there no risk? This holds for the rest of your comment. Hell letting the Democrats hold up until after the nomination even has some reward for the Republicans if their election is so certain...namely they can claim that the people are backing them when it comes to the Supreme Court and that they where not being hypocrites since they did wait for the election.

There's a difference between a Presidential election (choice in nomination) and congressional election (choice in 1/3 of the advice and consent). McConnell's justification was expressly for the former, so I don't know why this is continuously ignored.

Except that in a presidential election only a limited number of states actually matter. It is only those states that make the choice, for the rest your vote don't matter as much.

[Greed and Death]

Franken admitted guilt. Big difference

Rookie mistake.

And there were pictures Franken.

[Jerzyland]

Rookie mistake.

And there were pictures Franken.

Apparently no one ever admitted to anything before cameras. Except Judas and Pontius Pilate.

[Tarsonis]

Also it's not that the FBI doesn't think the case is worth investigating.

It's that Trump is refusing to let them investigate it.

Do you even read your sources or do you just read the URL?


“President Donald Trump’s administration reportedly has not asked the FBI to vet accusations that Supreme Court nominee Brett Kavanaugh sexually assaulted a girl while in high school.”

Not Asked =/=. Actively preventing. The FBI could open a criminal investigation into Kavanaugh if they found the accusations credible enough to warrant one, regardless if the White House asked them to or not. The White House however has not asked them to vet the claims pursuant to the Nominstion process, which they won’t do unless directed because they’re not acting as criminal investigators in that regard.

The fact that they aren’t investigating it from a criminal standpoint gives further credence that these accusations are unsubstantiated.

This is a spin piece, not credible reporting.

[Tarsonis]

There's a difference between a Presidential election (choice in nomination) and congressional election (choice in 1/3 of the advice and consent). McConnell's justification was expressly for the former, so I don't know why this is continuously ignored.

Except that in a presidential election only a limited number of states actually matter. It is only those states that make the choice, for the rest your vote don't matter as much.

That’s the kind of thinking that lost Clinton the election.

[Petrasylvania]

Rookie mistake.

And there were pictures Franken.

Which clearly showed a bad attempt at optical illusion, but it was treated the same as Dark Web Porn.

[Tarsonis]

Also IIRC McConnell was adamant that Franken should resign over his allegations, and now is pearl-clutching over the idea that people think Kav should do the same.

True to form hypocrite.

Not really. The Franken Case was quite different, there was corroborated testimony, and actual evidence of the events to back up the claims.

There’s nothing like that with the Kavenaugh Case.

The Franken Case occurred more or less organically as part of the #metoo movement.

With Kavanaugh the whole thing reeks of partisan posturing rather than credibility. This is reading more and more like smear and hit piece rather than a legitimate accusation.

[Major-Tom]

This is absurd, nobody is beyone reproach.

What is absurd is the hypocrisy across the aisle.

*cough*
Al Franken
*cough*

A person in high office in the US should not be able to be compromised bc of some stupid shit in his past. It's disqualifying. But I know Republicans have a blind spot in this area. *place image of Trump here*

There is hypocrisy in so many places here, on part of the GOP, but I will give them credit with Franken. Franken was largely eaten alive by his own party (Gillibrand, anyone) than the GOP.

[Neutraligon]

Except that in a presidential election only a limited number of states actually matter. It is only those states that make the choice, for the rest your vote don't matter as much.

That’s the kind of thinking that lost Clinton the election.

Nope, what the Clinton campaign got wrong was issues with polling telling her which states in the middle mattered.

[Tarsonis]

What is absurd is the hypocrisy across the aisle.

*cough*
Al Franken
*cough*

A person in high office in the US should not be able to be compromised bc of some stupid shit in his past. It's disqualifying. But I know Republicans have a blind spot in this area. *place image of Trump here*

There is hypocrisy in so many places here, on part of the GOP, but I will give them credit with Franken. Franken was largely eaten alive by his own party (Gillibrand, anyone) than the GOP.

Unfortunately Jerzyland’s position sets dangerous precedent that, that inorder to prevent a confirmation they don’t want, all a side has to do is accuse the nominee of a crime. Even if there’s no way to corroborate the accusation, by Jerzy’s standards they should be blocked. This is not a good precedent for our democracy

[Greed and Death]

My understanding is she came out on her own, as she started this in 2012.

Wasn't that to her therapist?

To her therapist, did not name a name. Just she was attacked by a DC area elite private school boy who is a mover in shaker that might be elevated to Scotus.

In theory Neil Gorsuch also fits the bill as he was a Georgetown prep at around the same time and has built the resume to be a possible Supreme Court. If I had a Guess between the two political parties circles of appointees Gerogetown prep likely has about a half dozen current movers and shakers who would be in contention for a Supreme Court appointment. DC private schools in general and Gerogetown Prep in particular are that highly ranked that will have several students every year who go on to build the resumes that are supreme court material.

In that context elite private school grad in the DC area her statement to the therapist was vague.

[Tarsonis]

That’s the kind of thinking that lost Clinton the election.

Nope, what the Clinton campaign got wrong was issues with polling telling her which states in the middle mattered.

And neglecting States that you think are safe bets can turn them to the other side. I realize not every state is a swing state but we saw States that have been comfortably blue for a while switch red.

Can’t afford to ignore any states, you never know how they might turn on you.

[Neutraligon]

Nope, what the Clinton campaign got wrong was issues with polling telling her which states in the middle mattered.

And neglecting States that you think are safe bets can turn them to the other side. I realize not every state is a swing state but we saw States that have been comfortably blue for a while switch red.

Can’t afford to ignore any states, you never know how they might turn on you.

Looks at Maryland, a state that has long been ignored. Looks at Utah, a place ignored by both parties.

[The Black Forrest]

The gal didn't want it known. It was more of "you should know this" situation.

Then why is she coming forward now? Sorry to say, to bad, the time was the hearings

Apparently it was leaked.

It would explain all the effort to mention Kav was a cool guy and the 65 women who came forward and said he was a cool guy after the letter was shown to exist.

[Vassenor]

Then why is she coming forward now? Sorry to say, to bad, the time was the hearings

Apparently it was leaked.

It would explain all the effort to mention Kav was a cool guy and the 65 women who came forward and said he was a cool guy after the letter was shown to exist.

Almost all of whom did so under false pretences.

[The Black Forrest]

Then why is she coming forward now? Sorry to say, to bad, the time was the hearings

Its kind of odd of all the years she could have come forward it was this year. I bet someone on the left found this gal and asked her to "come forward" so they could sully Kavanaugh as a SCOTUS nominee and in reality this isn't about the SCOTUS pick it's about how many more ways can we shoot ourselves in the foot while trying to ruin trump.

*shrugs* She may have decided when his name was mentioned. He is going to be on the SCOUTUS?!?!?!

[Tobleste]

1. Agreed, though when it comes to caring about sexual assault, the distribution of 'good people' is even across the two parties.
2. Some didn't.
3. The party does need votes from independents. I think the apology was for them.
4. I'm fine with arguing that she might be lying. My problem is that some have taken "Innocent until proven guilty" and used it to justify believing "she's lying and it's all #FakeNews".

1. Yep
2. True, but it seems that quite a few did.
3. Although both parties need independent votes, and the apology was definitely for them, I doubt that it was just for the independents.
4. Fair enough

1. Annoyingly, I mistyped for that line and auto correct did the rest. To clarify, there's good people in the GOP and bad people in the dem party. However, there are more dems that care about sexual assault and more republicans that are ok with it.
2. Congratulations to the GOP. Some of them are made uncomfortable by child molestation.
3. I honestly am amazed that you think republicans cared about that. His response to the dozen or more allegations against him was pretty clearly aggressive and even his "apology" was created with excuses like "locker room talk".

[Vassenor]

Its kind of odd of all the years she could have come forward it was this year. I bet someone on the left found this gal and asked her to "come forward" so they could sully Kavanaugh as a SCOTUS nominee and in reality this isn't about the SCOTUS pick it's about how many more ways can we shoot ourselves in the foot while trying to ruin trump.

*shrugs* She may have decided when his name was mentioned. He is going to be on the SCOUTUS?!?!?!

But that would mean this isn't part of some magical conspiracy to smear our Dear Leader so it can't be true.

[Fartsniffage]

Apparently it was leaked.

It would explain all the effort to mention Kav was a cool guy and the 65 women who came forward and said he was a cool guy after the letter was shown to exist.

Almost all of whom did so under false pretences.

Where are you getting this false pretenses thing from?

[Hakons]

There's a difference between a Presidential election (choice in nomination) and congressional election (choice in 1/3 of the advice and consent). McConnell's justification was expressly for the former, so I don't know why this is continuously ignored.

Except that in a presidential election only a limited number of states actually matter. It is only those states that make the choice, for the rest your vote don't matter as much.

That didn't exactly answer my comment, but voting matters in every state. As an individual vote it is hard to tell, but states are won by broad coalitions of votes. Trump didn't win because he won a handful of swing states, but because he had a bunch of other states where the majority voted for him too. Many states aren't very competitive, but that just shows a consensus among voters. People still need to vote in these states to get those results. Everyone who votes in the presidential election influences the result.

[Ethel mermania]

Franken admitted guilt. Big difference

Rookie mistake.

Honestly I think he got railroaded. He said at the time some things I did do, others are lies.

[Tobleste]

Then why is she coming forward now? Sorry to say, to bad, the time was the hearings

Its kind of odd of all the years she could have come forward it was this year. I bet someone on the left found this gal and asked her to "come forward" so they could sully Kavanaugh as a SCOTUS nominee and in reality this isn't about the SCOTUS pick it's about how many more ways can we shoot ourselves in the foot while trying to ruin trump.

She sent a letter to her representative. Obviously that's irrelevant to you (as if you care about whether or not he's guilty) but in case anyone wanted to know, that's where the letter came from.

[Ethel mermania]

Almost all of whom did so under false pretences.

Where are you getting this false pretenses thing from?

It's an extrapolation that when reporters contacted the women the claim is most of them did not want to speak on record.

Much like her comparison of kavanauh and Franken, facts don't matter to vass.