Judge Kavanaugh's confirmation Hearing Now with Poll

[El-Amin Caliphate]

>when you don't really care about this and just want the US legal system to have a total remake

The US system is the system you get when other countries go for a remake.

Not every country has the equivalent of the US Supreme Court.

>when you don't really care about this and just want the US legal system to have a total remake

Dude, only where from what we have is down. hell it almost didn't make it the first time.

No offense, but this doesn't make grammatical sense. Or am I just not understanding what you're saying?

Dude, only where from what we have is down. hell it almost didn't make it the first time.

If I recall correctly, he's an advocate for Sharia Law.

Correct

If I recall correctly, he's an advocate for Sharia Law.

Well, he's wrong.

No I'm not.

Secular law is best law.

For the >insert word I can't say anymore< it is. Not for religious people.

I rather enjoy getting to listen to the hearings live where possible. Its a shame that they have to be so very scripted.

What?

>implies right never does anything wrong

Never said the right could never do wrong what I did imply was that ever since trump was elected the left has been more detrimental and destructive to American culture and democracy in everything from congress to Supreme Court Justice confirmations how many republicans urged their supporters to hound democrats no matter where they were, how many conservative groups go into Supreme Court confirmations and disrupt the proceedings. How many conservative people and groups go to people minding their own business and steal their personal property just because they don't like the president. How many conservatives say that if there voted into office the first thing they'll do is impeach a democratically elected president, instead of trying to make the lives of the citizens better.

How many leftists have been saying/doing this?

[Greed and Death]

Protestors give the the speaker an extra 20 seconds to speak. So it works out pretty well for the Republicans most likely to be disrupted.

[Ngelmish]

Last nominee to shoot off his mouth got a whole new verb named for him.

-and that's why a SCOTUS judge never answers any specific questions on what he believes or his policies on the Constitution. He doesn't want to get more Borked up than the Swedish Chef.

It wasn't just Bork's answers that were unpopular (though they were) or Kennedy's speech against his opinions (although that was part of it), polls showed that the public pretty consistently objected to his self-presentation, both the unkempt beard and (perceived or real) arrogance of manner. So it's not as though Bork was an a completely innocent victim -- he made no serious effort to anticipate and address probable concerns against him.

[The South Falls]

Cory Booker made some really good questions.

[Greed and Death]

-and that's why a SCOTUS judge never answers any specific questions on what he believes or his policies on the Constitution. He doesn't want to get more Borked up than the Swedish Chef.

It wasn't just Bork's answers that were unpopular (though they were) or Kennedy's speech against his opinions (although that was part of it), polls showed that the public pretty consistently objected to his self-presentation, both the unkempt beard and (perceived or real) arrogance of manner. So it's not as though Bork was an a completely innocent victim -- he made no serious effort to anticipate and address probable concerns against him.

I am sure if Einstein were brought before the Senate and questioned about relativity by Senators. He would be viewed as an arrogant know it all with unkempt hair. Before Bork judges were not required to dress pretty to prove they were qualified to sit on the Supreme Court.

[Ngelmish]

It wasn't just Bork's answers that were unpopular (though they were) or Kennedy's speech against his opinions (although that was part of it), polls showed that the public pretty consistently objected to his self-presentation, both the unkempt beard and (perceived or real) arrogance of manner. So it's not as though Bork was an a completely innocent victim -- he made no serious effort to anticipate and address probable concerns against him.

I am sure if Einstein were brought before the Senate and questioned about relativity by Senators. He would be viewed as an arrogant know it all with unkempt hair. Before Bork judges were not required to dress pretty to prove they were qualified to sit on the Supreme Court.

Personally, I don't think that physical aesthetics should be relevant either. It remains, contrary to popular retelling, Bork's failure as a nominee was not only a liberal hatchet job. Would he have failed without dramatic Democratic opposition? Probably not. But that wasn't the only reason that Bork was unpopular with the public.

[Greed and Death]

I am sure if Einstein were brought before the Senate and questioned about relativity by Senators. He would be viewed as an arrogant know it all with unkempt hair. Before Bork judges were not required to dress pretty to prove they were qualified to sit on the Supreme Court.

Personally, I don't think that physical aesthetics should be relevant either. It remains, contrary to popular retelling, Bork's failure as a nominee was not only a liberal hatchet job. Would he have failed without dramatic Democratic opposition? Probably not. But that wasn't the only reason that Bork was unpopular with the public.

Judges should not be subject to public popularity contests. Bork was one of the greatest judicial minds of his generation and the greatest conservative legal scholar of his generation. Bork's borking has caused the supreme court to be filled with candidates who have not publicly dealt with the most pressing legal issues of our day. This decreases the quality of the candidates and has turned this into a turf war between conservatives and liberals, a turf war the liberal side is about to lose.

[Ngelmish]

Personally, I don't think that physical aesthetics should be relevant either. It remains, contrary to popular retelling, Bork's failure as a nominee was not only a liberal hatchet job. Would he have failed without dramatic Democratic opposition? Probably not. But that wasn't the only reason that Bork was unpopular with the public.

Judges should not be subject to public popularity contests. Bork was one of the greatest judicial minds of his generation and the greatest conservative legal scholar of his generation. Bork's borking has caused the supreme court to be filled with candidates who have not publicly dealt with the most pressing legal issues of our day. This decreases the quality of the candidates and has turned this into a turf war between conservatives and liberals, a turf war the liberal side is about to lose.

Without litigating the merits of Bork's nomination, the fact remains that he was genuinely unpopular for a high court nominee -- and had his own demeanor to blame, in part, not just Ted Kennedy.

As to the ideological composition of the court, it remains that that composition has changed more than once in American history. I have no doubt that the libertarian vision of the Constitution embodied by the Roberts Court will eventually change to something else. And partisan composition isn't always as predictive as it may seem. It was a Republican court that gave us Plessy.

[Ethel mermania]

Personally, I don't think that physical aesthetics should be relevant either. It remains, contrary to popular retelling, Bork's failure as a nominee was not only a liberal hatchet job. Would he have failed without dramatic Democratic opposition? Probably not. But that wasn't the only reason that Bork was unpopular with the public.

Judges should not be subject to public popularity contests. Bork was one of the greatest judicial minds of his generation and the greatest conservative legal scholar of his generation. Bork's borking has caused the supreme court to be filled with candidates who have not publicly dealt with the most pressing legal issues of our day. This decreases the quality of the candidates and has turned this into a turf war between conservatives and liberals, a turf war the liberal side is about to lose.

For now.


That said I do tend to agree with your basic analysis.

[Albrenia]

Lets hope he has as much integrity as he claims he has.

[The Black Forrest]

He'll be confirmed because there's a Republican majority in the Senate. Donald Trump could shoot someone in Times Square and Kavanaugh would still be confirmed.

But Kavanaugh can't shoot off his mouth in the hearing and be confirmed.

Oh he is a highly trained operative. He dodges questions like a champ. Mastered the filabuster and answering without saying anything.

I would have at least liked to hear explanations for some of his "odd" comments he wrote.

I once listened to Scalia. I didn't like the guy but he did at least give you a detailed explanation to question and his thinking on the matters.

[The Black Forrest]

Personally, I don't think that physical aesthetics should be relevant either. It remains, contrary to popular retelling, Bork's failure as a nominee was not only a liberal hatchet job. Would he have failed without dramatic Democratic opposition? Probably not. But that wasn't the only reason that Bork was unpopular with the public.

Judges should not be subject to public popularity contests. Bork was one of the greatest judicial minds of his generation and the greatest conservative legal scholar of his generation. Bork's borking has caused the supreme court to be filled with candidates who have not publicly dealt with the most pressing legal issues of our day. This decreases the quality of the candidates and has turned this into a turf war between conservatives and liberals, a turf war the liberal side is about to lose.

Popularity? Sure they have been for a long time. Listen to the Reps; it's not because he would be one of the greatest scholars ever. He is a good pro-business pro-gun religious conservative who will support donnie in the upcoming problems.

The people have a right to get some insight to his ways and thinking. He will be changing the court.

[The Black Forrest]

Damn. You are right. Booker is hammering him.

I have listed to the morning stuff and I am still trying to get an idea to his thinking on things. So far its mainly precedence, the supreme court and kagen.......

[US-SSR]

As long as the Republicans want to seat the most partisan justice on the most activist Supremacist KKKourt in living memory this will go through. Say goodbye to Roe v. Wade, voting rights, worker rights, public accommodations law, minority rights, immigrant rights, quite possibly same-sex marriage. Oh did you like those things? Sure hope you bothered to vote 22 months ago because as you know now elections have consequences.

There's also a distinct possibility the reason Kavanaugh was nominated was to stop the last hole through which impeachment could slip. Rest assured, if he's seated every contentious issue emerging from the Mueller investigation will be litigated all the way to the Supremacists and will be decided 5-4 in favor of Trump. Some day we will learn just how they bought Kennedy's premature retirement.

[Napkiraly]

As long as the Republicans want to seat the most partisan justice on the most activist Supremacist KKKourt in living memory this will go through. Say goodbye to Roe v. Wade, voting rights, worker rights, public accommodations law, minority rights, immigrant rights, quite possibly same-sex marriage. Oh did you like those things? Sure hope you bothered to vote 22 months ago because as you know now elections have consequences.

There's also a distinct possibility the reason Kavanaugh was nominated was to stop the last hole through which impeachment could slip. Rest assured, if he's seated every contentious issue emerging from the Mueller investigation will be litigated all the way to the Supremacists and will be decided 5-4 in favor of Trump. Some day we will learn just how they bought Kennedy's premature retirement.

Can't tell if real or satire.

[US-SSR]

Can't tell if real or satire.

Frighteningly real.

[Bombadil]

This whole 'white power' hand signal is amusing..

Her husband wrote this..

Zina is Mexican on her mother’s side and Jewish on her father’s side. She was born in Mexico. Her grandparents were Holocaust survivors. We of course have nothing to do with hate groups, which aim to terrorize and demean other people — never have and never would.

It's just a bollocksy meme spreading around like wildfire.. but where does the bollocks even come from?

It's an alt-right troll.. they thought spreading the idea of the 'ok' sign being a white power signal across left wing social channels so people would believe it and then call out exactly this sort of thing. This would then show how triggered leftists are at bullshit.

Here's the original post from 4Chan on the ruse - https://knowyourmeme.com/photos/1249757-ok-symbol
(is linking to 4Chan allowed, I don't know so I've done a Knowyourmeme link instead)

This whole stupid subterfuge battle on both sides, whether the over-reaction to the over-reaction around Nike and just all of it.. it's just fucking stupid.

[Shofercia]

As long as the Republicans want to seat the most partisan justice on the most activist Supremacist KKKourt in living memory this will go through. Say goodbye to Roe v. Wade, voting rights, worker rights, public accommodations law, minority rights, immigrant rights, quite possibly same-sex marriage. Oh did you like those things? Sure hope you bothered to vote 22 months ago because as you know now elections have consequences.

There's also a distinct possibility the reason Kavanaugh was nominated was to stop the last hole through which impeachment could slip. Rest assured, if he's seated every contentious issue emerging from the Mueller investigation will be litigated all the way to the Supremacists and will be decided 5-4 in favor of Trump. Some day we will learn just how they bought Kennedy's premature retirement.

Wait, you think that Trump is nominating Kavanaugh to avoid impeachment!?

That's funny. Last time I checked, it takes two thirds of the Senate to impeach, and considering that in the best case scenario for Democrats, Republicans retain 48 Senators, I really don't see that happening. You might be talking about the 25th Amendment, but if you are, I invite you to actually read it, rather than CNN's interpretation of it.

Trump is nominating Kavanaugh to run for a second term. Although the Republicans should end up with 54 Senate seats, they might lose some seats in the House, whereas Trump would prefer a gain. If Republicans gain in both in the midterms, Trump will get a boon in the 2020 General Election from the Republican Party. As far as Kennedy's premature retirement, NSG figured that one out:

He's the Anthony Kennedy pick. I betcha Kennedy told Trump, "Okay, I'll retire but I get to name my successor and I pick Brett Kavanaugh. You can spin it any way you like." Kavanaugh clerked in the CoA for the Third District and in the CoA for the Ninth, and of course for Kennedy. A curious mixture.

But please, continue with your conspiracies, US-SSR. That said, if Ginsburg retires, I can see a way for SCOTUS to overturn Roe, but that would require Ginsburg retiring. Not seeing that one happening.

[Page]

I wonder how many quisling corporate Dems will vote to confirm him. Probably a lot.

[Albrenia]

I wonder how many quisling corporate Dems will vote to confirm him. Probably a lot.

Kudos for using the word 'quisling' which I've not heard in a while. I don't know enough about the Judge or the ins and outs of the SCOTUS but I just hope if he is confirmed he's not an arsehole.

[Greed and Death]

Damn. You are right. Booker is hammering him.

I have listed to the morning stuff and I am still trying to get an idea to his thinking on things. So far its mainly precedence, the supreme court and kagen.......

and when they critique his amicus or dissent he points out the supreme court adopted his view.

[Greed and Death]

This whole 'white power' hand signal is amusing..

Her husband wrote this..

Zina is Mexican on her mother’s side and Jewish on her father’s side. She was born in Mexico. Her grandparents were Holocaust survivors. We of course have nothing to do with hate groups, which aim to terrorize and demean other people — never have and never would.

It's just a bollocksy meme spreading around like wildfire.. but where does the bollocks even come from?

It's an alt-right troll.. they thought spreading the idea of the 'ok' sign being a white power signal across left wing social channels so people would believe it and then call out exactly this sort of thing. This would then show how triggered leftists are at bullshit.

Here's the original post from 4Chan on the ruse - https://knowyourmeme.com/photos/1249757-ok-symbol
(is linking to 4Chan allowed, I don't know so I've done a Knowyourmeme link instead)

This whole stupid subterfuge battle on both sides, whether the over-reaction to the over-reaction around Nike and just all of it.. it's just fucking stupid.

The name Zina should have clued them in that maybe she would not be a white power flashing type of person. It is amusing that a joke post on 4chan has taken the left by storm.

[Sovaal]

The US system is the system you get when other countries go for a remake.

Not every country has the equivalent of the US Supreme Court.

The US sitn every country.

Dude, only where from what we have is down. hell it almost didn't make it the first time.

No offense, but this doesn't make grammatical sense. Or am I just not understanding what you're saying?

Ain’t no new generally agreed upon government coming into power. Americans like the one we already have well enough.

If I recall correctly, he's an advocate for Sharia Law.

Correct

Well, he's wrong.

No I'm not.

Secular law is best law.

For the >insert word I can't say anymore< it is. Not for religious people.

They can get the hell out of my country then.

[Sovaal]

As long as the Republicans want to seat the most partisan justice on the most activist Supremacist KKKourt in living memory this will go through. Say goodbye to Roe v. Wade, voting rights, worker rights, public accommodations law, minority rights, immigrant rights, quite possibly same-sex marriage. Oh did you like those things? Sure hope you bothered to vote 22 months ago because as you know now elections have consequences.

There's also a distinct possibility the reason Kavanaugh was nominated was to stop the last hole through which impeachment could slip. Rest assured, if he's seated every contentious issue emerging from the Mueller investigation will be litigated all the way to the Supremacists and will be decided 5-4 in favor of Trump. Some day we will learn just how they bought Kennedy's premature retirement.

Can't tell if real or satire.

With the use of KKKourt I’d hope satire.

[Kernen]

The US system is the system you get when other countries go for a remake.

Not every country has the equivalent of the US Supreme Court.

I think you missed the joke.

Well, he's wrong.

No I'm not.

Secular law is best law.

For the >insert word I can't say anymore< it is. Not for religious people.

Obey it on your own time as a personal creed and leave the rest of the world out of it? Doesn't matter what the religious law is. Secular law is the most equitable by far.

What?

Every nominee since the 80s has been extensively prepared, and the Committee knows it. Everybody knows who will ask what and what Kavanaugh will say.