Judge Kavanaugh's confirmation Hearing Now with Poll

[Tarsonis]

Indeed. With my breeder I shall make the purest human race, and soon produce an army of storm troopers, to take over wo....oh boy did I say that out loud?

Too bad they won't be able to shoot for shit.

They’ll shoot fine. In the real world there’s no such thing as plot armor.

[Ifreann]

When something controversial is challenged, Kavanaugh should totally say "Hold my beer" to the camera before he writes/announces his for/against intention in the court.

There are no cameras in the Supreme Court.

[Holy Tedalonia]

It’s a bad day, when people put a controversial woman as the symbol of the women who were raped.

The choice is just as bad as the time we nominated a controversial judge

She is controversial only because Senate Republicans refused to believe her, didn't do any actual research into the problem, claimed a job interview in the senate somehow has the burden of 'you get the job until proven guilty', and made fun of a woman who dared to step forward. Even Senate Republicans believe the was assaulted, they just don't believe it was Kavanaugh. Kavanaugh, on the other hand, is controversial because he began shouting at questions asked, he made lurid partisan remarks, he was generally unresponsive and he lied to the Senate about past drinking habits. Oh, and he has multiple sexual assault allegations made against him, but even when you discount those, then there is still plenty to make Kavanaugh a bad justice.

I understand 'innocent until proven guilty', but that does not make Dr. Ford a liar all of a sudden. Innocent until proven guilty goes for her as well. Until it is proven that she knowingly lied, don't call her a liar.

There’s plenty of suspicion before this thing even started, Ford didn’t even want appear public in the first place, she wanted to stay anomalous. It’s the dems who thrusted her into that position, then said, “what a brave kind women you are” during the committee. One could say she was scared, but if suspicious you could say she just wanted to ruin Kavanaughs reputation without hers being harmed.

The second factor is her memory, she seems to have so much trouble remembering the house it took place, and how she got there, etc. And on the other hand she remembers who did it. Even Ted Talks says memory isn’t always accurate. You can remember a completely different person who did the crime.

Thirdly, a full scale investigation would take months, just look at the russian investigation. The republicans know the moment that the midterms happen Kavanaugh’s nomination would be impossible, on the other hand the democrats can lick their chops as they can claim the moral high ground and complain however they want about the investigation and demand it take longer, which is what they want. It’s not like the Republicans are against Ford, its more like the Republicans are pressed for time. Does it validate their position? No, but both sides aren’t angels in this case.

Fourthly, there have been some news articles saying she faked the whole thing, including a source from Sen. Grassley. I wish to see more evidence from Grassley and other sources before regarding it as true, though. It’s a toughy considering how much lack of information is going around.

To conclude, Ford is a controversial figure due to the information she provided, the lack of time for a full blown investigation and timing of this whole thing (some say she waited until the right moment, so a full investigation would be impossible), the fact some articles claim her to fake the whole thing, and fact she wanted to stay anomalous.

[Vassenor]

When something controversial is challenged, Kavanaugh should totally say "Hold my beer" to the camera before he writes/announces his for/against intention in the court.

There are no cameras in the Supreme Court.

But how will he own the Libs if no-one is there to see him do it?

Plus being a grandstanding fuckwit like that is probably a good way to get the rest of the bench to hate you.

[Valrifell]

There are no cameras in the Supreme Court.

But how will he own the Libs if no-one is there to see him do it?

I mean, he could write in in his official opinions, but I think it loses some of its impact.

[Greed and Death]

She is controversial only because Senate Republicans refused to believe her, didn't do any actual research into the problem, claimed a job interview in the senate somehow has the burden of 'you get the job until proven guilty', and made fun of a woman who dared to step forward. Even Senate Republicans believe the was assaulted, they just don't believe it was Kavanaugh. Kavanaugh, on the other hand, is controversial because he began shouting at questions asked, he made lurid partisan remarks, he was generally unresponsive and he lied to the Senate about past drinking habits. Oh, and he has multiple sexual assault allegations made against him, but even when you discount those, then there is still plenty to make Kavanaugh a bad justice.

I understand 'innocent until proven guilty', but that does not make Dr. Ford a liar all of a sudden. Innocent until proven guilty goes for her as well. Until it is proven that she knowingly lied, don't call her a liar.

There’s plenty of suspicion before this thing even started, Ford didn’t even want appear public in the first place, she wanted to stay anomalous. It’s the dems who thrusted her into that position, then said, “what a brave kind women you are” during the committee. One could say she was scared, but if suspicious you could say she just wanted to ruin Kavanaughs reputation without hers being harmed.

The second factor is her memory, she seems to have so much trouble remembering the house it took place, and how she got there, etc. And on the other hand she remembers who did it. Even Ted Talks says memory isn’t always accurate. You can remember a completely different person who did the crime.

Thirdly, a full scale investigation would take months, just look at the russian investigation. The republicans know the moment that the midterms happen Kavanaugh’s nomination would be impossible, on the other hand the democrats can lick their chops as they can claim the moral high ground and complain however they want about the investigation and demand it take longer, which is what they want. It’s not like the Republicans are against Ford, its more like the Republicans are pressed for time. Does it validate their position? No, but both sides aren’t angels in this case.

Fourthly, there have been some news articles saying she faked the whole thing, including a source from Sen. Grassley. I wish to see more evidence from Grassley and other sources before regarding it as true, though. It’s a toughy considering how much lack of information is going around.

To conclude, Ford is a controversial figure due to the information she provided, the lack of time for a full blown investigation and timing of this whole thing (some say she waited until the right moment, so a full investigation would be impossible), the fact some articles claim her to fake the whole thing, and fact she wanted to stay anomalous.

If Feinstein had brought it to the attention of the Republicans when she received the letter they likely would have quietly withdrawn Kavanuagh's nomination and nominated someone else. Instead she waited until the last minute filed it with the FBI and mentioned just enough info that the internet would out her if she did not out herself.

[Kaggeceria]

Nowadays they only ruin Democrats.

Because other democrats take it seriously which is the right thing to do. Republicans are ok with the idea of enabling abusers.

Why is why Keith Ellison has been ruined.

Oh wait...

[Kubrath]

So, there are three people on here who don't care if he raped someone or not, 'cause they like the way his noggin clicks. Fascinating.

[Tobleste]

I assumed you'd say that so I skipped to the end. If you think that, you didn't bother to read my post so why not return the favour?

So, you didn’t read my post then. You’re admitting to being part of the problem rather than the solution. For the record, I did read your post, which is why addressed it point by point. The problem is you think what you presented is incontrovertible fact, thus if I don’t agree with you it’s because I’m not listening. That is far from the Case. I debated you on your points, I didn’t demonize you. I even defended you in moderation over it.

Fair enough; I didn't know about moderation. Thanks.

Fwiw, I don't think what I said is fact. I think it's the best explanation for the republican party's radical behaviour.

Why should I not think what I think? The republican party is more ruthless, less compassionate and more anti-intellectual than just about any mainstream right wing party in the west. They're more comparable to thee National Front in France of the AfD in Germany.

And do you not understand that the right see the left in the exact same light? We’ve staked our entire national debate in moral ideological grounds. Is it no surprise then that both the left and the right see each other as ruthless, corrupt, and diobolical.

I'm sure they do but that doesn't mean their claim is equally valid. I find it hard to believe the party of Obama is equally responsible for American discourse as the party of Trump. I find it had to believe the party that screams "fake news" and calls the media "enemies of the people" is equally to blame for anti-intellectualism in American politics and I find it hard to believe the party of McConnell is equally to blame for partisanship as the party of Schumer.

I'm sure they genuinely believe they're morally right. I just can't see any reason to believe them or to doubt the claims of democrats and independents that say as much. An article in the Atlantic today made that exact point.

[Tobleste]

I dislike his judicial policy, his clear partisan leanings, and the fact that he's probably a sexual predator.

Unfortunately republicans are drawn to those three things and they're in power.

[Washington Resistance Army]

Because other democrats take it seriously which is the right thing to do. Republicans are ok with the idea of enabling abusers.

Why is why Keith Ellison has been ruined.

Oh wait...

It's been really quite amusing watching some of our liberal regulars defending him when there's a lot more evidence that Ellison is a scumbag than Kavanaugh.

[Fartsniffage]

When something controversial is challenged, Kavanaugh should totally say "Hold my beer" to the camera before he writes/announces his for/against intention in the court.

There are no cameras in the Supreme Court.

One of the opinions of his that I read started with the words "Buckle up folks".

[Tobleste]

Because other democrats take it seriously which is the right thing to do. Republicans are ok with the idea of enabling abusers.

Why is why Keith Ellison has been ruined.

Oh wait...

I honestly hadn't heard of him until right wingers here kept bringing him up to justify ignoring Ford so I don't know the details. Either way you're conveniently ignoring Franken and Conyers.

[Tobleste]

So, there are three people on here who don't care if he raped someone or not, 'cause they like the way his noggin clicks. Fascinating.

They're just the ones who admit it. Besides it's not too surprising. Trump gets the same treatment and he's far less competent than Kavanaugh.

[Washington Resistance Army]

Why is why Keith Ellison has been ruined.

Oh wait...

I honestly hadn't heard of him until right wingers here kept bringing him up to justify ignoring Ford so I don't know the details. Either way you're conveniently ignoring Franken and Conyers.

You hadn't heard of the deputy chair of your own party? Who was endorsed by big names like Sanders when he tried to take the big spot?

[Tobleste]

I honestly hadn't heard of him until right wingers here kept bringing him up to justify ignoring Ford so I don't know the details. Either way you're conveniently ignoring Franken and Conyers.

You hadn't heard of the deputy chair of your own party? Who was endorsed by big names like Sanders when he tried to take the big spot?

Who said I was a democrat?

[Diopolis]

So, there are three people on here who don't care if he raped someone or not, 'cause they like the way his noggin clicks. Fascinating.

They're just the ones who admit it. Besides it's not too surprising. Trump gets the same treatment and he's far less competent than Kavanaugh.

And more evidence that Trump did it than Kavanaugh.

[Washington Resistance Army]

You hadn't heard of the deputy chair of your own party? Who was endorsed by big names like Sanders when he tried to take the big spot?

Who said I was a democrat?

You strongly imply it on a regular basis. If you aren't you should probably just accept that you are and go register as such.

[Tobleste]

Who said I was a democrat?

You strongly imply it on a regular basis. If you aren't you should probably just accept that you are and go register as such.

Thanks for the life advice.

[Tobleste]

They're just the ones who admit it. Besides it's not too surprising. Trump gets the same treatment and he's far less competent than Kavanaugh.

And more evidence that Trump did it than Kavanaugh.

Possibly why they like him more.

[Telconi]

You hadn't heard of the deputy chair of your own party? Who was endorsed by big names like Sanders when he tried to take the big spot?

Who said I was a democrat?

You, 1,400 times...

[Diopolis]

And more evidence that Trump did it than Kavanaugh.

Possibly why they like him more.

Kavanaugh was red meat to a base that's uncomfortable with Trump for, among other reasons, that.

[Tobleste]

Who said I was a democrat?

You, 1,400 times...

This is why I rarely reply to you. You either don't read what I say or you do and just imagine it however you want.

[Tobleste]

Possibly why they like him more.

Kavanaugh was red meat to a base that's uncomfortable with Trump for, among other reasons, that.

I'm not sure about that. I think they see MeToo as part of the culture wars so the more democrats, liberals and feminists think someone is guilty of sexual assault, the more republicans want to back them.

[Ifreann]

There are no cameras in the Supreme Court.

But how will he own the Libs if no-one is there to see him do it?

Plus being a grandstanding fuckwit like that is probably a good way to get the rest of the bench to hate you.

His owning of the libs will have to be conveyed solely through text.