Judge Kavanaugh's confirmation Hearing Now with Poll

[Tarsonis]

Trump says his attacks on accuser Ford made the difference in getting Kavanaugh confirmed

So that's Trump's usual "everything is about me and how awesome I am" spiel combined with the idea that attacking women is the best way to get what you want in politics.

Did anybody here expect anything different?

[Dumb Ideologies]

Trump says his attacks on accuser Ford made the difference in getting Kavanaugh confirmed

So that's Trump's usual "everything is about me and how awesome I am" spiel combined with the idea that attacking women is the best way to get what you want in politics.

The political reality is that attacking Ford was one of the best ways to get Kavanaugh through, yes. Gloating isn't classy, but Donald isn't exactly known for being either a good winner or loser so what's new?

He didn't explicitly say anything specifically endorsing attacking women as a group as a universal solution for getting stuff done.

The idea that the statement represents an endorsement of attacks on all women all the time only makes sense if you either believe Ford is some kind of hivemind creature representing the collective consciousness of all women on Earth or that women should be immune from ever being criticised and that doing so will cause them all to wilt like delicate little flowers. Which is it?

[Tobleste]

Trump says his attacks on accuser Ford made the difference in getting Kavanaugh confirmed

So that's Trump's usual "everything is about me and how awesome I am" spiel combined with the idea that attacking women is the best way to get what you want in politics.

He may have a point. Republicans were treating her respectfully but when Kavanaugh and Trump made it more about partisan loyalty, his confirmation was confirmed.

[Tobleste]

“Agreeing with anybody but my position is wrong.”

I assumed you'd say crap like that so I skipped to the end. If you think that, you didn't bother to read my post so why not return the favour? Besides, I've read the opinions of republicans before and it's always a waste of time. I can mimic the learning experience by bashing a rock against my head. There's nothing they can teach anyone.

Why should I not think what I said? The republican party is more ruthless, less compassionate and more anti-intellectual than just about any mainstream right wing party in the west. They're more comparable to the National Front in France of the AfD in Germany.

Make excuses all you want but the reason why democrats, the media and academia so often seems to hate republicans is that they have every reason to. That's why your country is divided. Because millions of conservatives have decided that stopping their country from changing and maintaining control is more important than the people in the country itself and I'm not sorry for judging them for that.

[Liriena]

Damned if I do, damned if I don't. If I ignore his bullshit, he gets to pretend my silence is a consession, and he ain't getting that.

Probably better to ignore than to respond with what is in essence a childish retort but using larger words.

Still waiting for any of you to actually explain what made it "childish".

[Vassenor]

Meanwhile Collins' position seems to be "I believe her, but everything she said was lies". Whatever the hell that means.

[Petrasylvania]

Next, Jerry Sandusky for The Commission to Eliminate Child Abuse and Neglect Fatalities (CECANF) and Larry Nassar as Surgeon General. And for bonus, Bill Cosby as Supreme Court Justice.

[Tobleste]

Meanwhile Collins' position seems to be "I believe her, but everything she said was lies". Whatever the hell that means.

I honestly thought they'd try to cast her as a liar. Their approach was smarter actually. It was "We mostly believe her but screw the libs".

[Proctopeo]

Probably better to ignore than to respond with what is in essence a childish retort but using larger words.

Still waiting for any of you to actually explain what made it "childish".

It was basically "neener neener you guys are meanies and disagree with me " but under a couple layers of snark and an air of superiority. It's not particularly subtle, either.

[Tarsonis]

“Agreeing with anybody but my position is wrong.”

I assumed you'd say that so I skipped to the end. If you think that, you didn't bother to read my post so why not return the favour?

So, you didn’t read my post then. You’re admitting to being part of the problem rather than the solution. For the record, I did read your post, which is why addressed it point by point. The problem is you think what you presented is incontrovertible fact, thus if I don’t agree with you it’s because I’m not listening. That is far from the Case. I debated you on your points, I didn’t demonize you. I even defended you in moderation over it.

Why should I not think what I think? The republican party is more ruthless, less compassionate and more anti-intellectual than just about any mainstream right wing party in the west. They're more comparable to thee National Front in France of the AfD in Germany.

And do you not understand that the right see the left in the exact same light? We’ve staked our entire national debate in moral ideological grounds. Is it no surprise then that both the left and the right see each other as ruthless, corrupt, and diobolical.

Make excuses all you want

. Contesting your points is not making excuses.

but the reason why democrats, the media and academia so often seems to hate republicans is that they have every reason to.

because they have a shared ideological background. That doesn’t make them right though which you don’t seem to grasp. “Academia” isn’t automatically right. Shit I’m a member of “Academia.” There’s very few objective disciplines any more.

[Petrasylvania]

Meanwhile Collins' position seems to be "I believe her, but everything she said was lies". Whatever the hell that means.

I honestly thought they'd try to cast her as a liar. Their approach was smarter actually. It was "We mostly believe her but screw the libs".

Poetic justice if something darker on Kavanaugh comes out later, like corroboration or proof he assaulted Ford or another woman. Then the GOP gets the image they dodged the bullet on with Roy Moore.

[Grater Tovakia]

I honestly thought they'd try to cast her as a liar. Their approach was smarter actually. It was "We mostly believe her but screw the libs".

Poetic justice if something darker on Kavanaugh comes out later, like corroboration or proof he assaulted Ford or another woman. Then the GOP gets the image they dodged the bullet on with Roy Moore.

Poetic justice, RBG is forced to step down. That would be hilarious.

[Greed and Death]

I honestly thought they'd try to cast her as a liar. Their approach was smarter actually. It was "We mostly believe her but screw the libs".

Poetic justice if something darker on Kavanaugh comes out later, like corroboration or proof he assaulted Ford or another woman. Then the GOP gets the image they dodged the bullet on with Roy Moore.

Ford's allegation is unlikely to be collaborated too few witnesses were there.

Ramirez's allegation is possible though even she is unsure if it was Ford or if it was a real penis in her face as it might have been the dildo they were playing with earlier.

Swetnick's allegation is the one that will likely be proved or disproved given the number of witnesses and the clarity of what happened. That said it is also the one I most suspect of being made up. A dozen perpetrators, a dozen + victims, and dozens of witnesses. Most crimes under such circumstances are found out sooner rather than later. Someone runes their mouth, or has a conscious, or decides to stand up to their attackers in a short period of time. Its not to say such things don't happen but in most such cases you are dealing with Religion.

[Liriena]

Still waiting for any of you to actually explain what made it "childish".

It was basically "neener neener you guys are meanies and disagree with me " but under a couple layers of snark and an air of superiority. It's not particularly subtle, either.

Elaborate.

[Liriena]

Meanwhile Collins' position seems to be "I believe her, but everything she said was lies". Whatever the hell that means.

I honestly thought they'd try to cast her as a liar. Their approach was smarter actually. It was "We mostly believe her but screw the libs".

The GOP's entire platform is "anything to own the libs".

[Tarsonis]

I honestly thought they'd try to cast her as a liar. Their approach was smarter actually. It was "We mostly believe her but screw the libs".

The GOP's entire platform is "anything to own the libs".

Only when it comes to SCOTUS. And even then, there are actual platform goals. Owning the libs is jus a bonus.

[Proctopeo]

It was basically "neener neener you guys are meanies and disagree with me " but under a couple layers of snark and an air of superiority. It's not particularly subtle, either.

Elaborate.

We're going to go around in circles with this, aren't we? An in-depth explanation about why exactly your retort was childish 1) won't convince you, and 2) isn't related in to the topic at hand.

[Valrifell]

The GOP's entire platform is "anything to own the libs".

Only when it comes to SCOTUS. And even then, there are actual platform goals. Owning the libs is jus a bonus.

I think it's the other way around, owning the libs was the goal, the platform goals was just the bonus.

[Proctopeo]

I honestly thought they'd try to cast her as a liar. Their approach was smarter actually. It was "We mostly believe her but screw the libs".

The GOP's entire platform is "anything to own the libs".

Not really.

[Petrasylvania]

Poetic justice if something darker on Kavanaugh comes out later, like corroboration or proof he assaulted Ford or another woman. Then the GOP gets the image they dodged the bullet on with Roy Moore.

Ford's allegation is unlikely to be collaborated too few witnesses were there.

Ramirez's allegation is possible though even she is unsure if it was Ford or if it was a real penis in her face as it might have been the dildo they were playing with earlier.

Swetnick's allegation is the one that will likely be proved or disproved given the number of witnesses and the clarity of what happened. That said it is also the one I most suspect of being made up. A dozen perpetrators, a dozen + victims, and dozens of witnesses. Most crimes under such circumstances are found out sooner rather than later. Someone runes their mouth, or has a conscious, or decides to stand up to their attackers in a short period of time. Its not to say such things don't happen but in most such cases you are dealing with Religion.

You're assuming that those are the only women or sexual assault is the only thing that could be in his closet.

[Petrasylvania]

The GOP's entire platform is "anything to own the libs".

Only when it comes to SCOTUS. And even then, there are actual platform goals. Owning the libs is jus a bonus.

Also "owning women's reproductive rights" and "owning the ability to prosecute Trump for any crimes proven".

[Proctopeo]

Ford's allegation is unlikely to be collaborated too few witnesses were there.

Ramirez's allegation is possible though even she is unsure if it was Ford or if it was a real penis in her face as it might have been the dildo they were playing with earlier.

Swetnick's allegation is the one that will likely be proved or disproved given the number of witnesses and the clarity of what happened. That said it is also the one I most suspect of being made up. A dozen perpetrators, a dozen + victims, and dozens of witnesses. Most crimes under such circumstances are found out sooner rather than later. Someone runes their mouth, or has a conscious, or decides to stand up to their attackers in a short period of time. Its not to say such things don't happen but in most such cases you are dealing with Religion.

You're assuming that those are the only women or sexual assault is the only thing that could be in his closet.

We have no evidence to assume that there's anything else.

[Valrifell]

You're assuming that those are the only women or sexual assault is the only thing that could be in his closet.

We have no evidence to assume that there's anything else.

His first name is "Brett."

He's the standard stereotype of a dudebro, what more evidence do you need?!

[Greed and Death]

Ford's allegation is unlikely to be collaborated too few witnesses were there.

Ramirez's allegation is possible though even she is unsure if it was Ford or if it was a real penis in her face as it might have been the dildo they were playing with earlier.

Swetnick's allegation is the one that will likely be proved or disproved given the number of witnesses and the clarity of what happened. That said it is also the one I most suspect of being made up. A dozen perpetrators, a dozen + victims, and dozens of witnesses. Most crimes under such circumstances are found out sooner rather than later. Someone runes their mouth, or has a conscious, or decides to stand up to their attackers in a short period of time. Its not to say such things don't happen but in most such cases you are dealing with Religion.

You're assuming that those are the only women or sexual assault is the only thing that could be in his closet.

I operate on the general assumption is that the only crime ranking worse than drugging and gang raping minors is murder.

[Proctopeo]

We have no evidence to assume that there's anything else.

His first name is "Brett."

He's the standard stereotype of a dudebro, what more evidence do you need?!

Don't have a cow, man!