Judge Kavanaugh's confirmation Hearing Now with Poll

[NS Miami Shores]

If thier aren't any charges to be dropped and and she doesnt want to impeach, thier is nothing left to do, and he might have been denied the confirmation because of these accusations she cant prove, lol.

And again with assuming the seat was his by some sort of divine right.

lol, he did no claim this post himself, President Trump nominated him and 49 Republican Senators and I democrat had to vote for him, and 48 Democrat senators voted against him, and they were against him before any of these charges ever came up,

[Dahon]

If thier aren't any charges to be dropped and and she doesnt want to impeach, thier is nothing left to do, and he might have been denied the confirmation because of these accusations she cant prove, lol.

And again with assuming the seat was his by some sort of divine right.

It was Kavanaugh's seat because the numbers favored his seating on the bench. The Senate leadership from Mitch McConnell on down didn't care about his qualifications, it cared about his carrying the GOP water. That is all.

What Senate Democrats could've chosen to do is to stall for as long as possible without last-minute hysterics, claim Garland, and at least they'll have a fighting chance for some rock of opposition.

As it is?

GOP entrenches itself in both houses while we wait for RBG to die and for American democracy to get finally and definitively fucked. Or maybe that giant fucking meteor will save us all from this mess, before we end ourselves.

One can only hope for an egalitarian oblivion over this suffering.

[NS Miami Shores]

And again with assuming the seat was his by some sort of divine right.

It was Kavanaugh's seat because the numbers favored his seating on the bench. The Senate leadership from Mitch McConnell on down didn't care about his qualifications, it cared about his carrying the GOP water. That is all.

What Senate Democrats could've chosen to do is to stall for as long as possible without last-minute hysterics, claim Garland, and at least they'll have a fighting chance for some rock of opposition.

As it is?

GOP entrenches itself in both houses while we wait for RBG to die and for American democracy to get finally and definitively fucked. Or maybe that giant fucking meteor will save us all from this mess, before we end ourselves.

One can only hope for an egalitarian oblivion over this suffering.

The Republicans arent by partisan because they want a conservative Judge, and the Democrats arent by partisan because they want a leftist Judge, its called politics and differnt political views, the right is not always unjust and evil and the left is not always just, nice and right. Do we agree on this, do any leftist on NS agree we me on this?

[Tobleste]

It's going to continue to be an issue for months. The damage to SCOTUS is likely permanent so it's going to be an ongoing issue.

It's been worse

When?

[Tobleste]

Damned if I do, damned if I don't. If I ignore his bullshit, he gets to pretend my silence is a consession, and he ain't getting that.

Probably better to ignore than to respond with what is in essence a childish retort but using larger words.

What is it with right-wingers constantly lumping a bunch of random words together to describe their enemies?

When we lefties want to describe our opponents, we usually try to stick with one-word terms, like "reactionaries", "fascists", "chuds", etc.

Yeah, cause it lets you more easily shove whoever you want under those umbrellas if it suits you to do so, even if it's inaccurate or blatantly false.
Using more terms lets you start with more people under your umbrella but makes it more clear who your enemies are in the long term, and makes it more clear if someone leaves or joins the umbrella later on.

After what the right did to her, I dont blame her. She's been through enough.

Democrats tossed her out after the nomination like a used napkin, lol

I'll regret asking this but how? I thought she was a paid puppet.

[Dahon]

Merrick Garland was by all accounts a moderate -- indeed, he was selected by Obama due to that quality.

Apparently anyone who's not a Republican waterboy is "leftist", and anyone who carps about the lopsided composition of the present Supreme Court -- less a reflection of justices who will decide on cases brought to them by what the Constitution says, but a reflection of the distressingly common belief that by God the Constitution must enact fucking Social Statics -- is unaware of politics.

Bullshit. Bullshit. Bullshit.

[NS Miami Shores]

Probably better to ignore than to respond with what is in essence a childish retort but using larger words.


Yeah, cause it lets you more easily shove whoever you want under those umbrellas if it suits you to do so, even if it's inaccurate or blatantly false.
Using more terms lets you start with more people under your umbrella but makes it more clear who your enemies are in the long term, and makes it more clear if someone leaves or joins the umbrella later on.


Democrats tossed her out after the nomination like a used napkin, lol

I'll regret asking this but how? I thought she was a paid puppet.

If that is correct, I guess it is because they lost the vote and Judge Kavanaugh got confirmed so they don't need her now.

[Proctopeo]

Probably better to ignore than to respond with what is in essence a childish retort but using larger words.


Yeah, cause it lets you more easily shove whoever you want under those umbrellas if it suits you to do so, even if it's inaccurate or blatantly false.
Using more terms lets you start with more people under your umbrella but makes it more clear who your enemies are in the long term, and makes it more clear if someone leaves or joins the umbrella later on.


Democrats tossed her out after the nomination like a used napkin, lol

I'll regret asking this but how? I thought she was a paid puppet.

That's at least how the whole "dropping the issue really quickly and washing their hands of it" thing I saw looked like to me.
Also, who told you she was a paid puppet?

[NS Miami Shores]

I'll regret asking this but how? I thought she was a paid puppet.

That's at least how the whole "dropping the issue really quickly and washing their hands of it" thing I saw looked like to me.
Also, who told you she was a paid puppet?

As a leftist Democrat she could have been a voluntary puppet.

[Trumptonium1]

Merrick Garland was by all accounts a moderate -- indeed, he was selected by Obama due to that quality.

Apparently anyone who's not a Republican waterboy is "leftist", and anyone who carps about the lopsided composition of the present Supreme Court -- less a reflection of justices who will decide on cases brought to them by what the Constitution says, but a reflection of the distressingly common belief that by God the Constitution must enact fucking Social Statics -- is unaware of politics.

Bullshit. Bullshit. Bullshit.

You're on a roll! I think this post is what people refer to when they speak of liberal tears that are fuel to their entertainment.

Garland was a moderate selected to replace a conservative. It would be fundamentally unfair.

However, I'll give you this: I absolutely hope Garland is nominated on the Supreme Court when Ginsburg bunks off six foot under. We'll see if liberals are fine with replacing a liberal with a moderate, and whether their praise of Garland is principled. Because I for sure know that when Trump pulls the best troll of the decade by replacing Ginsburg with Garland, liberals will be protesting en masse on the streets wailing that the court keeps going right and right and that Garland suddenly isn't qualified to be on the court.

[Vassenor]

That's at least how the whole "dropping the issue really quickly and washing their hands of it" thing I saw looked like to me.
Also, who told you she was a paid puppet?

As a leftist Democrat she could have been a voluntary puppet.

Prove it.

[NS Miami Shores]

As a leftist Democrat she could have been a voluntary puppet.

Prove it.

I said could have been, nice try Vassenor, but not good enough, lol.

[Tobleste]

Merrick Garland was by all accounts a moderate -- indeed, he was selected by Obama due to that quality.

Apparently anyone who's not a Republican waterboy is "leftist", and anyone who carps about the lopsided composition of the present Supreme Court -- less a reflection of justices who will decide on cases brought to them by what the Constitution says, but a reflection of the distressingly common belief that by God the Constitution must enact fucking Social Statics -- is unaware of politics.

Bullshit. Bullshit. Bullshit.

I think republicans view everyone who disagrees with them as "leftist". I've seen them tie themselves in knots to justify this belief. One said democrats were used to "getting their way" with the court, ignoring that it's had a republican majority for decades and certain justices didn't count as "real" republicans in their eyes.

[Vassenor]

Prove it.

I said could have been, nice try Vassenor, but not good enough, lol.

So you're just throwing out random conspiracy theories then.

[Jebslund]

The Republicans arent by partisan because they want a conservative Judge, and the Democrats arent by partisan because they want a leftist Judge, its called politics and differnt political views, the right is not always unjust and evil and the left is not always just, nice and right. Do we agree on this, do any leftist on NS agree we me on this?

Is a centrist agreeing that both parties have some things right and both are otherwise full of shit count?

[Greater Cesnica]

The Republicans arent by partisan because they want a conservative Judge, and the Democrats arent by partisan because they want a leftist Judge, its called politics and differnt political views, the right is not always unjust and evil and the left is not always just, nice and right. Do we agree on this, do any leftist on NS agree we me on this?

Is a centrist agreeing that both parties have some things right and both are otherwise full of shit count?

Uh I'm a centrist and that's my view of point (mostly). I do have a slight right-wing tilt.

[Tobleste]

I'll regret asking this but how? I thought she was a paid puppet.

That's at least how the whole "dropping the issue really quickly and washing their hands of it" thing I saw looked like to me.
Also, who told you she was a paid puppet?

That's just your interpretation of it. What are they supposed to do? Ask McConnell to change his mind? If they kept pushing, you would condemn them anyway.

They should remind their voters of it, win the house and drag every secret of Kavanaguh's and Trump's out of the closet. They can't do anything about it now.

[Tobleste]

Merrick Garland was by all accounts a moderate -- indeed, he was selected by Obama due to that quality.

Apparently anyone who's not a Republican waterboy is "leftist", and anyone who carps about the lopsided composition of the present Supreme Court -- less a reflection of justices who will decide on cases brought to them by what the Constitution says, but a reflection of the distressingly common belief that by God the Constitution must enact fucking Social Statics -- is unaware of politics.

Bullshit. Bullshit. Bullshit.

You're on a roll! I think this post is what people refer to when they speak of liberal tears that are fuel to their entertainment.

Garland was a moderate selected to replace a conservative. It would be fundamentally unfair.

However, I'll give you this: I absolutely hope Garland is nominated on the Supreme Court when Ginsburg bunks off six foot under. We'll see if liberals are fine with replacing a liberal with a moderate, and whether their praise of Garland is principled. Because I for sure know that when Trump pulls the best troll of the decade by replacing Ginsburg with Garland, liberals will be protesting en masse on the streets wailing that the court keeps going right and right and that Garland suddenly isn't qualified to be on the court.

You're hilarious.

[Tobleste]

I'll regret asking this but how? I thought she was a paid puppet.

If that is correct, I guess it is because they lost the vote and Judge Kavanaugh got confirmed so they don't need her now.

Need her for what? She's said she wants it dropped and didn't even want to come forward in the first place. Now because democrats aren't dragging her by the hair in front of cameras, they've "tossed her out".

[Vassenor]

If that is correct, I guess it is because they lost the vote and Judge Kavanaugh got confirmed so they don't need her now.

Need her for what? She's said she wants it dropped and didn't even want to come forward in the first place. Now because democrats aren't dragging her by the hair in front of cameras, they've "tossed her out".

But she's totally not a paid puppet.

[The Caleshan Valkyrie]

well I agree. I think the right sometimes doesn't believe victims even if there are multiple witnesses(EG Trump) and and the left has the worse crime of a presumption of guilt.

To me the question really was a far lesser extension of Roy Moore. Is allegations prior to completely proven guilt enough to derail a candadicy to high office? I would say yes in the case of Roy Moore when there is so much evidence and it was pretty clear cut, short of which Roy has been targeted by the most effective undercover political destruction job in the history of mankind. But with the situation with Kav the evidence was a lot more faulty to say the least. It's patently clear Feinstein tried a slight of hand by holding out on the evidence.

But yeah I will bet Trump will from karma alone get 3 SCOTUS nominations by the end of this.

why are people so hung up on Ford’s having requested the letter be held until later? There are many reasons that could apply that don’t involve political demagoguery.

[Tobleste]

It was Kavanaugh's seat because the numbers favored his seating on the bench. The Senate leadership from Mitch McConnell on down didn't care about his qualifications, it cared about his carrying the GOP water. That is all.

What Senate Democrats could've chosen to do is to stall for as long as possible without last-minute hysterics, claim Garland, and at least they'll have a fighting chance for some rock of opposition.

As it is?

GOP entrenches itself in both houses while we wait for RBG to die and for American democracy to get finally and definitively fucked. Or maybe that giant fucking meteor will save us all from this mess, before we end ourselves.

One can only hope for an egalitarian oblivion over this suffering.

The Republicans arent by partisan because they want a conservative Judge, and the Democrats arent by partisan because they want a leftist Judge, its called politics and differnt political views, the right is not always unjust and evil and the left is not always just, nice and right. Do we agree on this, do any leftist on NS agree we me on this?

As a leftist, republicans usually behave in a manner that could be described as unjust and evil. It's a rational explanation for their behaviour.

Mass shooting happens at schools, they don't do anything. Young woman killed by immigrant, they politicse the death so much the family of the victim has to beg them to stop.
They claim to want to protect children by stopping abortion but are ok with locking up sobbing immigrant children and seperating them from their parents (and with doing nothing about the above shootings).
They claim to care about fiscal conservatism but are happy with borrowing trillions to cut their donors taxes.
They cry that people are "innocent until proven guilty" when their leaders are accused of abusing women but chant "lock her up" at rallies for mishandling emails.

Them being right wing doesn't explain this because British right wingers aren't this bad. Them being "evil" explains a lot. I know that's partisan but being in the middle of right and wrong isn't being mature, it's being half wrong.

[Greed and Death]

Ladies, Gentlemen, and all others I have added a poll.

I know you requested it awhile ago. Sorry I reentered dating environment and it takes a lot more energy than I remember.

[Vassenor]

Trump says his attacks on accuser Ford made the difference in getting Kavanaugh confirmed

So that's Trump's usual "everything is about me and how awesome I am" spiel combined with the idea that attacking women is the best way to get what you want in politics.

[Tarsonis]

The Republicans arent by partisan because they want a conservative Judge, and the Democrats arent by partisan because they want a leftist Judge, its called politics and differnt political views, the right is not always unjust and evil and the left is not always just, nice and right. Do we agree on this, do any leftist on NS agree we me on this?

As a leftist, republicans usually behave in a manner that could be described as unjust and evil. It's a rational explanation for their behaviour.

Mass shooting happens at schools, they don't do anything.

No, we don’t rush to ban assault weapons. The solution to something being wrong isn’t “BAN EVERYTHING” Since 1966 less than 1500 total people had died in mass shooting attacks.

https://www.thelily.com/1077-people-hav ... -of-texas/

Annually 250,000 people are killed by medical malpractice. https://www.cnbc.com/2018/02/22/medical ... erica.html

Mass shootings are in fact very rare incicientns, they only appear constant because they’re politicized to an absurd degree, and we’re waking up to the fact that our politicization of the events, is a huge factor in their steady increase.

Maybe instead of demonizing your ideological opposites, try listening to what we have to say. Yes we want to stop mass shootings, but an AWB is not the way to do it. We have proposed alternative solutions: School security officers, increase security measures, even teachers specifically trained to respond to such incidents, but that doesn’t ban the scary weapons, so of course, the left opposes those.

Young woman killed by illegalimmigrant, they politicse the death so much the family of the victim has to beg them to stop.

ftfy.

Illegal Immigration has already been politicized, despite a Bipartisan front for the last 50 years. The left and right should be able to say border security is a key issue for all Americans, but the left has steadily changed sides. Even Obama talked about rule of law, but the Democrats have betrayed that effort. I could understand the left wing opposition to the wall on logistical grounds, hell even I’m skeptical about it, but it’s no longer that, the left oppose it on ideological grounds.

They claim to want to protect children by stopping abortion but are ok with locking up sobbing immigrant children and seperating them from their parents (and with doing nothing about the above shootings).

Another misrepresentation. #1 illegal immigrants. #2. The separation of children was mandated under the Flores consent decree, from the Clintonadmin. The Republicans didn’t make it, the SCOTUS did. Further that law was extended to accompanied minors, in 2016. Trump did not write the law that required them to be serperated, he exacerbated the problem by pushing a zero tolerance agenda, and then the left fell over themselves screaming about the children. After turning a blind eye to it the 8 years Obama was in office.

They claim to care about fiscal conservatism but are happy with borrowing trillions to cut their donors taxes.

Another misrepresentation. #1 Those donors hedge their bets and donate to both sides. #2. Both sides have been content to borrow trillions of dollars.In fact Obama nearly doubled the national debt. #3 Republicans cut taxes because they believe more competitive taxes leads to a more expansive economy which leads to higher wages, and more jobs. And look, it’s starting to work

They cry that people are "innocent until proven guilty" when their leaders are accused of abusing women but chant "lock her up" at rallies for mishandling emails.

This is a fair point. However, we actually had evidence in the case of Hillary’s emails. We saw it, we read it, and we watched as Comey covered for her by claiming she didn’t “mean” to share confidential information, cause she was apparently too innept/dumb to know what the labels mean.

Them being right wing doesn't explain this because British right wingers aren't this bad.

That’s not the explanation you think it is. UK is as a country more liberal than the US. What passes for right there, would be more centrist here.

Them being "evil" explains a lot.

but of course it does. How easy then to ignore, and fight your opponents, how easy to galvanize others into doing the same, when they’re “evil” rather than just “differently minded”. When they’re “evil” you don’t need to debate them, have better arguments than then, you can just oppose them on blind moral ferver. Who would think twice about swinging a bike lock into somebody’s head, if that somebody was super evil/fascist/traitor/puppet/Nazi/etc. Eric Clanton never denied that he swung the lock, he protested being prosecuted for it, because in his mind he was entirely justified. It was the moral thing to do and his prosecution wasn’t because he broke the law, it was the forces of evil trying to bring him down.

I know that's partisan

It’s not just partisan, it’s exactly what political leaders want you to think. How much more galvanized support for their positions can they create, when they’re waging a moral fight, rather debating policy issues?

There’s a reason the Far left and Far right have such rigid ideological purity mentalities. Because if they acually had to defend their ideaology, they’d come up wanting.

but being in the middle of right and wrong isn't being mature, it's being half wrong.

How quaint. “Agreeing with anybody but my position is wrong.”