Judge Kavanaugh's confirmation Hearing Now with Poll

[Tobleste]

If anything super conservative happens in the next several years... this will be on the Democratic politicians for trying to destroy him with allegations from his past.

"Because the opposition party chose to publicly criticize me and call for an investigation into my shitty behavior, I'm going to fuck over a bunch of innocent people who had nothing to do with it."

If you were trying to make Kavanaugh look good, you really ought to stop helping, because you're making him sound like a thoughtless, vindictive piece of shit.

Which is why he's probably right.

[Tobleste]

Uh, yes. And I find it odd that you believe saying "they were just flip-flopping" is a meaningful defense.

See, this is the problem with cute one-liners. I could have elaborated on why your criticism is complete nonsense if you had replied to this line of thought before, but you didn't. And now, as a result, you're left with sufficient evidence to make further cute one-liners.

Mad respect.

There are two problems with flip flopping. Firstly, as new evidence comes to light, opinions should change. For example, it's no longer really tenable to believe that that feathers are a phenomenon unique to birds. For a long time this was the case but for the last 150 years and especially in the last 30 remarkable evidence to the contrary has emerged. Cue the flip flopping. Political examples are obviously more complicated but if you have a political context in mind, I am sure I can explain it to you.

The second problem with flip flopping is that evidence isn't neutral. For example, in the 1990s, attitudes towards sexual assault were entirely difficult. To a large extent, it wasn't perceived of as a problem in the same way as it is now. Even in 2006, how people understood the severity of sexual misconduct is very different to now. This is true of politicians too, not just the electorate. You can't say something like "it is now politically convenient" without understanding that she's not some alien mind impervious to public thought on the matters.

That last paragraph is a good point. When people bring up accusations against Clinton, they're conveniently forgetting that society changes in 20 years. Parties should too.

[Tobleste]

Donald Trump was accused of sexual assault and became President of the United States

Brett Kavanagh was accused of sexual assault and became a lifelong judge on the highest court of the nation

If y'all go on about how sexual assault accusations ruin lives, I'm just going to laugh in your face.

Nowadays they only ruin Democrats.

Because other democrats take it seriously which is the right thing to do. Republicans are ok with the idea of enabling abusers.

[Vassenor]

Nowadays they only ruin Democrats.

The Leftist Democratic Party Democrats did it to themselves during this Political Kangaroo Court Trial as I call it, of un proven accusations, calls for criminal charges and calls of impeachment should he be confirmed, and now the Lady wants to drop all charges she cant prove, conveniently after loosing the Confirmation vote, lol.

She didn't say to drop the charges. She just said that moving to impeach wouldn't accomplish anything. But don't let that get in the way of your fantasies.

[Telconi]

The Leftist Democratic Party Democrats did it to themselves during this Political Kangaroo Court Trial as I call it, of un proven accusations, calls for criminal charges and calls of impeachment should he be confirmed, and now the Lady wants to drop all charges she cant prove, conveniently after loosing the Confirmation vote, lol.

She didn't say to drop the charges. She just said that moving to impeach wouldn't accomplish anything. But don't let that get in the way of your fantasies.

There aren't any charges to be dropped...

[Tobleste]

Yes, I knew you were going to use that excuse. Well then if the Dems do well in the midterms then I fully expect you to send a letter demanding Kavanaugh be prosecuted for perjury.

They have to take the Senate first. The House isn't really going to be able to do anything about ol' Brett.

The house can launch investigations iirc. If/when the democrats take it, Kavanaugh, Trump and the entire GOP should be fair game for the Benghazi treatment (I.e. a bad-faith fishing expedition).

[Despotic Europe]

Weeeeeeeeeeellll, Kavanaugh was confirmed a few days ago. Is there any point of this thread left?

[Vassenor]

Weeeeeeeeeeellll, Kavanaugh was confirmed a few days ago. Is there any point of this thread left?

Aside from giving the Conservatives a chance to virtue signal?

[Despotic Europe]

Weeeeeeeeeeellll, Kavanaugh was confirmed a few days ago. Is there any point of this thread left?

Aside from giving the Conservatives a chance to virtue signal?

Maybe.

[Mystic Warriors]

Weeeeeeeeeeellll, Kavanaugh was confirmed a few days ago. Is there any point of this thread left?

This thread needs to end.

[Tobleste]

The Leftist Democratic Party Democrats did it to themselves during this Political Kangaroo Court Trial as I call it, of un proven accusations, calls for criminal charges and calls of impeachment should he be confirmed, and now the Lady wants to drop all charges she cant prove, conveniently after loosing the Confirmation vote, lol.

She didn't say to drop the charges. She just said that moving to impeach wouldn't accomplish anything. But don't let that get in the way of your fantasies.

They decided she was lying from the start. Whatever happened, they'd use it as proof.

Kavanaugh is confirmed, she keeps telling her story: "She lost, she should respect the SCOTUS and shut up!"

Kavanaugh is not confirmed, she keeps telling her story: "She got her way, he's not a SC so she should shut up!"

Kavanaugh is not confirmed, she stops telling her story: "See?! She only said this to stop his nomination so she obviously lied."

Kavanaugh is confirmed, she stops telling her story: "See!? She knows she can't back up her allegations so she obviously lied."

[Tobleste]

Weeeeeeeeeeellll, Kavanaugh was confirmed a few days ago. Is there any point of this thread left?

It's going to continue to be an issue for months. The damage to SCOTUS is likely permanent so it's going to be an ongoing issue.

[Mystic Warriors]

Weeeeeeeeeeellll, Kavanaugh was confirmed a few days ago. Is there any point of this thread left?

It's going to continue to be an issue for months. The damage to SCOTUS is likely permanent so it's going to be an ongoing issue.

It's been worse

[Dahon]

Weeeeeeeeeeellll, Kavanaugh was confirmed a few days ago. Is there any point of this thread left?

Aside from giving the Conservatives a chance to virtue signal?

Me to bitch and moan about the blue wave probably not going to happen. Dems overshot the mark by entertaining a woman's claims, even though her testimony could not be substantiated... and now American democracy is finally and definitively fucked.

All I want now is a giant fucking meteor so I don't have to see Bolsonaro in power. Let that be granted, end this suffering.

[Hurtful Thoughts]

Nowadays they only ruin Democrats.

The Leftist Democratic Party Democrats did it to themselves during this Political Kangaroo Court Trial as I call it, of un proven accusations, calls for criminal charges and calls of impeachment should he be confirmed, and now the Lady wants to drop all charges she cant prove, conveniently after loosing the Confirmation vote, lol.

Nah, Kennedy and Clinton flourished just fine.

Except Kennedy banged them while in the oval office.

Clinton commits perjury amidsts a sex-scandal, launches cruise-missiles at Libya as a distraction, gets re-elected anyways.

[Huntpublic]

Aside from giving the Conservatives a chance to virtue signal?

Me to bitch and moan about the blue wave probably not going to happen. Dems overshot the mark by entertaining a woman's claims, even though her testimony could not be substantiated... and now American democracy is finally and definitively fucked.

All I want now is a giant fucking meteor so I don't have to see Bolsonaro in power. Let that be granted, end this suffering.

heh, Giant Meteor 2020, heh

[Trumptonium1]

You're going to have to substantiate who you mean by "most other" developed countries since that is not the case for most I can think of.

In Germany half the court is selected by the lower house and half by the upper house, no formal judicial process weighs itself in. It's not the case in Denmark where Supreme Court judges are selected by the minister responsible for justice and rubberstamped by the monarch. It is not the case in Ireland where judges are selected by the Taoiseach and confirmed by the President. In Japan the selection process is designation by cabinet, a quick vote in the lower house and rubberstamping by the monarch. In Luxembourg the monarch has a free hand to appoint the entire court, and only by convention does so with the advice of the head of government. In the Netherlands judges are chosen on a narrow list of options by the lower house and the monarch gets to choose. New Zealand has an identical system to Denmark (rubberstamping by Governor-General.) In Canada people apply for the job, are considered in the Privy Council and then the Governor-General rubberstamps them.

And of course nobody gets to beat France and Italy; in the former the popularly elected President has an absolute free hand to appoint half the constitutional court, in the latter the non-popularly elected President get a free hand to appoint one third of the supreme court.

The UK can be classified as one with an extensive process with an independent committee. Although the UK's history of separation of powers is extremely short ... the Supreme Court was only created in 2009 (Constitutional Reform Act, 2005, pt 3,) before that the House of Lords was the final court of appeal, or in other words the supreme judicial authority was one stacked with members on free-hand appointment of the prime minister. The legislative, the executive and the judiciary was an all-in-one package bestowed upon whoever happened to win a plurality of votes in the majority of constituencies.

I have a difficulty thinking of any important developed country which has a system more separated from other powers and interests in the selection process...

When we refer to "most other developed countries" here are we referring to the UK and Fiji?

Fair, that could be a bit of misspeaking on my part, the main distinction in the post was that America is unique in its judges having party-political defined radical partisan positions on constitutional stances and being chosen on that basis. Would you accept that as a distinction?

Of course. I'm not sure if it is literally unique, but certainly from major countries that is the case. At the same time the US is ahead of the curve in terms of partisanship, so whether what is happening in the US will be at some point in the near future replicated in Europe is a plausible question to ask.

[Mystic Warriors]

Me to bitch and moan about the blue wave probably not going to happen. Dems overshot the mark by entertaining a woman's claims, even though her testimony could not be substantiated... and now American democracy is finally and definitively fucked.

All I want now is a giant fucking meteor so I don't have to see Bolsonaro in power. Let that be granted, end this suffering.

heh, Giant Meteor 2020, heh

They had no choice but to entertain her. If they didn't it would have made them look like they are ignoring sexual assault, if they do it angers conservatives. This is your October surprise, I wouldn't be shocked if Trump put her up to it. They needed something big.

[Costa Fierro]

Donald Trump was accused of sexual assault and became President of the United States

Brett Kavanagh was accused of sexual assault and became a lifelong judge on the highest court of the nation

If y'all go on about how sexual assault accusations ruin lives, I'm just going to laugh in your face.

There's a difference between Joe Bloggs and those two. It shouldn't take you long to figure out what that difference is.

Aside from giving the Conservatives a chance to virtue signal?

Considering that's all your lot have been doing when you kept saying "I believe her" despite not giving a valid reason why, it's difficult to fathom why you'd all of a sudden accuse conservatives of virtue signalling.

Although what the "progressives" really do need is a good lecture on practicing what they preach.

[Saranidia]

Donald Trump was accused of sexual assault and became President of the United States

Brett Kavanagh was accused of sexual assault and became a lifelong judge on the highest court of the nation

If y'all go on about how sexual assault accusations ruin lives, I'm just going to laugh in your face.

There's a difference between Joe Bloggs and those two. It shouldn't take you long to figure out what that difference is.

Aside from giving the Conservatives a chance to virtue signal?

Considering that's all your lot have been doing when you kept saying "I believe her" despite not giving a valid reason why, it's difficult to fathom why you'd all of a sudden accuse conservatives of virtue signalling.

Although what the "progressives" really do need is a good lecture on practicing what they preach.

well I agree. I think the right sometimes doesn't believe victims even if there are multiple witnesses(EG Trump) and and the left has the worse crime of a presumption of guilt.

[NS Miami Shores]

She didn't say to drop the charges. She just said that moving to impeach wouldn't accomplish anything. But don't let that get in the way of your fantasies.

There aren't any charges to be dropped...

If thier aren't any charges to be dropped and and she doesnt want to impeach, thier is nothing left to do, and he might have been denied the confirmation because of these accusations she cant prove, lol.

[Vassenor]

There aren't any charges to be dropped...

If thier aren't any charges to be dropped and and she doesnt want to impeach, thier is nothing left to do, and he might have been denied the confirmation because of these accusations she cant prove, lol.

And again with assuming the seat was his by some sort of divine right.

[Painisia]

Aside from giving the Conservatives a chance to virtue signal?

Me to bitch and moan about the blue wave probably not going to happen. Dems overshot the mark by entertaining a woman's claims, even though her testimony could not be substantiated... and now American democracy is finally and definitively fucked.

All I want now is a giant fucking meteor so I don't have to see Bolsonaro in power. Let that be granted, end this suffering.

Come on, don't be so Nietzhcian now!

[Proctopeo]

Your reaction kinda promotes that behavior, mate.

Damned if I do, damned if I don't. If I ignore his bullshit, he gets to pretend my silence is a consession, and he ain't getting that.

Probably better to ignore than to respond with what is in essence a childish retort but using larger words.

Leftist Liberal Democrats and Socialist

What is it with right-wingers constantly lumping a bunch of random words together to describe their enemies?

When we lefties want to describe our opponents, we usually try to stick with one-word terms, like "reactionaries", "fascists", "chuds", etc.

Yeah, cause it lets you more easily shove whoever you want under those umbrellas if it suits you to do so, even if it's inaccurate or blatantly false.
Using more terms lets you start with more people under your umbrella but makes it more clear who your enemies are in the long term, and makes it more clear if someone leaves or joins the umbrella later on.

Ford dropped her charges already.

Let it go.

After what the right did to her, I dont blame her. She's been through enough.

Democrats tossed her out after the nomination like a used napkin, lol

[Herskerstad]

There's a difference between Joe Bloggs and those two. It shouldn't take you long to figure out what that difference is.



Considering that's all your lot have been doing when you kept saying "I believe her" despite not giving a valid reason why, it's difficult to fathom why you'd all of a sudden accuse conservatives of virtue signalling.

Although what the "progressives" really do need is a good lecture on practicing what they preach.

well I agree. I think the right sometimes doesn't believe victims even if there are multiple witnesses(EG Trump) and and the left has the worse crime of a presumption of guilt.

To me the question really was a far lesser extension of Roy Moore. Is allegations prior to completely proven guilt enough to derail a candadicy to high office? I would say yes in the case of Roy Moore when there is so much evidence and it was pretty clear cut, short of which Roy has been targeted by the most effective undercover political destruction job in the history of mankind. But with the situation with Kav the evidence was a lot more faulty to say the least. It's patently clear Feinstein tried a slight of hand by holding out on the evidence.

But yeah I will bet Trump will from karma alone get 3 SCOTUS nominations by the end of this.