Judge Kavanaugh's confirmation Hearing Now with Poll

[Forsher]

You mean like when liberals, including Senator Gillibrand, demanded Al Franken's resignation and he resigned?

Kirsten Gillibrand who campaigned for the Senate with Bill Clinton and now apparently hates Bill Clinton.

She's a hack.

I bet you think flip flopping is a meaningful criticism.

Why don't you try the Kavanaugh guilt calculator? See if your conclusions match your beliefs. (This is also why flip flopping isn't a real criticism.)

[Petrasylvania]

You called Ford a fucking liar but now that the confirmation is a done deal you're suddenly talking like she was being manipulated by the Democrats? That's cute, just like your fake sympathies for her.

But she was and is.

Liars can also be manipulated.

If Ford lied then why not write to your Republicans that she needs to be brought up on perjury charges?

[Kaggeceria]

Kirsten Gillibrand who campaigned for the Senate with Bill Clinton and now apparently hates Bill Clinton.

She's a hack.

I bet you think flip flopping is a meaningful criticism.

Why don't you try the Kavanaugh guilt calculator? See if your conclusions match your beliefs. (This is also why flip flopping isn't a real criticism.)

*sigh*

This is actually a thing now?

[Kaggeceria]

But she was and is.

Liars can also be manipulated.

If Ford lied then why not write to your Republicans that she needs to be brought up on perjury charges?

I could ask you the same since you're so dead sure that Kavanaugh perjured himself.

[Quantipapa]

Kirsten Gillibrand who campaigned for the Senate with Bill Clinton and now apparently hates Bill Clinton.

She's a hack.

I bet you think flip flopping is a meaningful criticism.

Why don't you try the Kavanaugh guilt calculator? See if your conclusions match your beliefs. (This is also why flip flopping isn't a real criticism.)

I agree.

Flip flop comment is a practice in hypocrisy. When we change our minds after being informed, we are educated and rational. When politicians do the same, they have no backbone and are useless people who can't be trusted.

[Forsher]

I was talking about the Franken case, not the Clinton case. Try to keep up, dude.

I'm aware, but I feel it's relevant since you're trying to hoist her up.

Well, what's your point exactly?

I've just looked her up on Wikipedia and it seems the Bill Clinton stuff is relevant to the Lewinsky stuff. So, should he have resigned because of the sex scandal (the only kinds of sex scandals that ought to be scandals involve law breaking) or the lying? (Also, it wasn't clear which motivated her position.)

But I thought this would be about the Bill Clinton rape stuff.

[Forsher]

I bet you think flip flopping is a meaningful criticism.

Why don't you try the Kavanaugh guilt calculator? See if your conclusions match your beliefs. (This is also why flip flopping isn't a real criticism.)

*sigh*

This is actually a thing now?

What is this?

[Minzerland II]

a) I was going to explain regardless.
b) Yes it is.

Well, this post was a waste of time.

"I was going to do it anyway!"

"Didn't do anything until being asked to do so and did half the job."

Really credible.

I am not sure if I care if you believe my answers are credible.

There are four threads that you and Liriena can both be said to have been in. There are probably more that you just never posted in but these are the ones we know exist.

At this point it becomes a bit awkward to automate the search. We could search for "fascist" or "Liriena" but doing so is only going to give us quoted examples of the latter. We'll treat this as a proxy of the true baseline. Now, go examine your evidence. If you don't find anything in there, grab the threads and organise them by author and ctrl-F.

The thing with this kind of exercise is that it's subject to a very simple heuristic:

if it were true, it'd be easy
if it were easy, it'd be done
if it were done, it'd be true

All the heuristic asks of people is to assume they're lazy, which is always reasonable.

Nah. This issue between Liriena and I has been resolved, so I won’t do that. Especially not appease you, because it would no doubt be longwinded (as opposed to being straight to the point) and boring. Liriena even admitted to using ‘fascist’ incorrectly in the past, and has been taken to task for it by numerous people, so the issue is familiar to Liriena, and the accusation not uncommon (as I had made the accusation prior to this point). What point would there be in retrieving the evidence? None. Liriena already explained themselves and I dropped the issue afterwards. Seems like a done deal.

[Kaggeceria]

*sigh*

This is actually a thing now?

What is this?

A Kavanaugh guilt calculator. Why is this a thing?

I'm not going to take some silly internet test.

[Kaggeceria]

I'm aware, but I feel it's relevant since you're trying to hoist her up.

Well, what's your point exactly?

I've just looked her up on Wikipedia and it seems the Bill Clinton stuff is relevant to the Lewinsky stuff. So, should he have resigned because of the sex scandal (the only kinds of sex scandals that ought to be scandals involve law breaking) or the lying? (Also, it wasn't clear which motivated her position.)

But I thought this would be about the Bill Clinton rape stuff.

Clinton has been accused by women of rape. Kirsten Gillibrand says all women should be believed, yet campaigned with Clinton when she ran for the Senate but now apparently she hates him.

[Petrasylvania]

If Ford lied then why not write to your Republicans that she needs to be brought up on perjury charges?

I could ask you the same since you're so dead sure that Kavanaugh perjured himself.

The Republicans have the majority so they're a lot more likely to come down on Ford for perjury rather than Kavanaugh. Come on, lying under oath is a crime and if you're certain she lied the GOP would be more than happy to put her away.

[Quantipapa]

Well, what's your point exactly?

I've just looked her up on Wikipedia and it seems the Bill Clinton stuff is relevant to the Lewinsky stuff. So, should he have resigned because of the sex scandal (the only kinds of sex scandals that ought to be scandals involve law breaking) or the lying? (Also, it wasn't clear which motivated her position.)

But I thought this would be about the Bill Clinton rape stuff.

Clinton has been accused by women of rape. Kirsten Gillibrand says all women should be believed, yet campaigned with Clinton when she ran for the Senate but now apparently she hates him.

I know this is politically incorrect but women, too, can lie.

[Kaggeceria]

I could ask you the same since you're so dead sure that Kavanaugh perjured himself.

The Republicans have the majority so they're a lot more likely to come down on Ford for perjury rather than Kavanaugh. Come on, lying under oath is a crime and if you're certain she lied the GOP would be more than happy to put her away.

Yes, I knew you were going to use that excuse. Well then if the Dems do well in the midterms then I fully expect you to send a letter demanding Kavanaugh be prosecuted for perjury.

[Kaggeceria]

Clinton has been accused by women of rape. Kirsten Gillibrand says all women should be believed, yet campaigned with Clinton when she ran for the Senate but now apparently she hates him.

I know this is politically incorrect but women, too, can lie.

Not in the eyes of Democrats. Unless, of course, they're accusing Keith Ellison of abuse.

[Forsher]

If Ford lied then why not write to your Republicans that she needs to be brought up on perjury charges?

I could ask you the same since you're so dead sure that Kavanaugh perjured himself.

Try the calculator.

[Petrasylvania]

The Republicans have the majority so they're a lot more likely to come down on Ford for perjury rather than Kavanaugh. Come on, lying under oath is a crime and if you're certain she lied the GOP would be more than happy to put her away.

Yes, I knew you were going to use that excuse. Well then if the Dems do well in the midterms then I fully expect you to send a letter demanding Kavanaugh be prosecuted for perjury.

They have to take the Senate first. The House isn't really going to be able to do anything about ol' Brett.

[Kaggeceria]

I could ask you the same since you're so dead sure that Kavanaugh perjured himself.

Try the calculator.

No.

[NS Miami Shores]

Ford dropped her charges already.

Let it go.

After what the right did to her, I dont blame her. She's been through enough.

lol, after what the Leftist Democrats in Congress in this political kangaroo trial court, and the leftists groups protesting, accusing him, and attacking him, has done to him, if this story is true that is she is dropping charges she cant prove, it looks like this has all been a political setup by a well trained, respected in her profession psycology professor, who only had one beer at the party, cant remember certain facts to help her case and cant prove it, no wonder he was angry and hurt, and expressed his anger and hurt, at all of them, I would too, you would too, and we all would too.

The Left in general needs to accept that the Left is partisan too, just as they say that the right is partisan, they need to accept that their economic, political and social views are not the only democratic views, I can RP and have a few beers and lol with any leftist on NS on me, many leftists on NS cant do that, I know from experience.

Many times on this thread and on NS I have said both the right and the left are partisan to thier own economic, political, and social views, it is called politics and different political views, and they both have a democratic right to express thier views and post thier views, yeah, instead of accusing each other and reporting each other for anything we can think of, Yeah I didn't learn my lesson from Castro in that one political party state for life democratic hell hole of Cuba many leftists on NS support and defend, my good friend Liriena is right, I like the Lady, and I would like to RP with her any time, even if we have different economic, poltiical and social views, many leftist here cant do that, I know from experiance.

[Forsher]

What is this?

A Kavanaugh guilt calculator. Why is this a thing?

I'm not going to take some silly internet test.

Actually it's a mathematical model of information updating. But good try.

[Kaggeceria]

Yes, I knew you were going to use that excuse. Well then if the Dems do well in the midterms then I fully expect you to send a letter demanding Kavanaugh be prosecuted for perjury.

They have to take the Senate first. The House isn't really going to be able to do anything about ol' Brett.

Oh, sure they can. They can impeach him and wait to take the Senate and have them remove him.

Come on. Get started on that letter. But we both know you won't because you're a hypocrite.

Now run along.

[Kaggeceria]

A Kavanaugh guilt calculator. Why is this a thing?

I'm not going to take some silly internet test.

Actually it's a mathematical model of information updating. But good try.

Oooh, do explain.

[Quantipapa]

I wasn't trying to expose you as a hack. I wasn't even quoting you. I was adding to this very long thread. I wasn't even thinking of you when I typed what I typed. I was accusing you of nothing. And you slapped me for something I didn't do.

In case you missed it, I WAS NOT RESPONDING OR REFERRING TO YOU IN THE FIRST INSTANCE.

Geez.

Of course you weren't, where did I say you did?

I simply preempted an extremely common tactic by right wingers I've encountered by most of the right wingers I've debated all over the internet.

And I've made it quite clear that if Judge K is proven to be guilty, he should be stripped of everything. And I've also stated that I call out my own. I play the middle and expect the best from both sides, and get shot for no reason. Congratulations.

[Petrasylvania]

They have to take the Senate first. The House isn't really going to be able to do anything about ol' Brett.

Oh, sure they can. They can impeach him and wait to take the Senate and have them remove him.

Come on. Get started on that letter. But we both know you won't because you're a hypocrite.

Now run along.

Ffft. And you're not writing one because you don't really give a shit about Ford supposedly lying now that Brett is in. Besides, weren't you part of the crowd sneering about how the Democrats would actually lose Senate seats Kram?

[Forsher]

Well, what's your point exactly?

I've just looked her up on Wikipedia and it seems the Bill Clinton stuff is relevant to the Lewinsky stuff. So, should he have resigned because of the sex scandal (the only kinds of sex scandals that ought to be scandals involve law breaking) or the lying? (Also, it wasn't clear which motivated her position.)

But I thought this would be about the Bill Clinton rape stuff.

Clinton has been accused by women of rape. Kirsten Gillibrand says all women should be believed, yet campaigned with Clinton when she ran for the Senate but now apparently she hates him.

This is called a trap.

When you look at Wikipedia, her acceptance of Clinton's support was in 2006 in an entirely different political climate where the Clinton rape stuff has an entirely different meaning to in 2006 (let alone the 1990s).

If your point was just about Lewinsky, people really haven't managed to realise the pointlessness of sex scandals so there's no massive contextual argument being sidestepped (namely you want to argue why the context is irrelevant).

[Forsher]

Actually it's a mathematical model of information updating. But good try.

Oooh, do explain.

P( H | D ) = P(H) * P( D | H) / P(D)