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Do you support the confirmation of Justice Kavanaugh

Yes I support his confirmation allegations against him are likely false or insufficient evidence
108
45%
Yes I support his confirmation even though the allegations against him are likely true but they are just too old
1
0%
Yes I support his confirmation because of judicial philosophy regardless of the allegations being true or false
13
5%
No I am against his confirmation because the allegations are likely true
24
10%
No I am against his confirmation because of his judicial philosophy (pick this if both please)
92
39%
 
Total votes : 238

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Postby Forsher » Sun Oct 07, 2018 12:30 am

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Kaggeceria wrote:I want to deplatform and marginalize all of you, and then roast marshmallows over a pile of burning pussy hats.


I want to go back to the days when a career in politics meant the worst you faced was something you did in office.


So... never?
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Postby Forsher » Sun Oct 07, 2018 12:30 am

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Liriena wrote:Nice try. Now actually do it. Explain what you think those words mean and explain it to me like I'm five. And once you've defined it, please explain in detail how my post fit the definition.

Nah, I don't feel like playing your absurdly stupid game.


You are accountable to your own actions, beliefs and statements.
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Stop making shit up, though. Links, or it's a God-damn lie and you know it.

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Postby Minzerland II » Sun Oct 07, 2018 12:34 am

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Minzerland II wrote:I don’t need to explain something that is self evident. If you want me to, then you need only ask.


a) how can you construe that as not asking?

b) it's really not self evident. The thread is here for everyone not just you two.

a) I was going to explain regardless.
b) Yes it is.

Well, this post was a waste of time.
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Postby Quantipapa » Sun Oct 07, 2018 12:37 am

Nothing was specifically proven. Liberals need to be equally critical of their own. Don't misinterpret me. I didn't say Judge K didn't do it. I just said liberals need to be EQUALLy critical of their own.

Otherwise their rage now is purely political because they don't want a pro-lifer to get on board, and they rather resort to a testimony about an unprovable accusation.

To gain some credibility, be equally rigorous with your own. Otherwise, your pretentiousness is clear

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Postby Quantipapa » Sun Oct 07, 2018 12:41 am

Eternal Lotharia wrote:
Quantipapa wrote:Nothing was specifically proven. Liberals need to be equally critical of their own. Don't misinterpret me. I didn't say Judge K didn't do it. I just said liberals need to be EQUALLy critical of their own.

Otherwise their rage now is purely political because they don't want a pro-lifer to get on board, and they rather resort to a testimony about an unprovable accusation.

To gain some credibility, be equally rigorous with your own. Otherwise, your pretentiousness is clear

I'm loyally and a dedicated pro-lifer and very aware of how the press can do damage to societies so am not blinded, yet I am enraged. And I am a well educated person in terms of politics, history, international relations, and solidly educated in law too.

Nice try bub.


You sound like Einstein with all that self praise.

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Postby Hurtful Thoughts » Sun Oct 07, 2018 12:42 am

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After what the right did to her, I dont blame her. She's been through enough.

Ironic words, since she's dropping the charges because she believes Kavanaugh has been through enough.
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Postby Mystic Warriors » Sun Oct 07, 2018 12:43 am

Quantipapa wrote:Nothing was specifically proven. Liberals need to be equally critical of their own. Don't misinterpret me. I didn't say Judge K didn't do it. I just said liberals need to be EQUALLy critical of their own.

Otherwise their rage now is purely political because they don't want a pro-lifer to get on board, and they rather resort to a testimony about an unprovable accusation.

To gain some credibility, be equally rigorous with your own. Otherwise, your pretentiousness is clear



Tell that to conservatives who give their own a pass
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Postby Mystic Warriors » Sun Oct 07, 2018 12:43 am

Hurtful Thoughts wrote:
Mystic Warriors wrote:

After what the right did to her, I dont blame her. She's been through enough.

Ironic words, since she's dropping the charges because she believes Kavanaugh has been through enough.




Yeah right.... HIM.
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Postby Forsher » Sun Oct 07, 2018 12:44 am

Minzerland II wrote:
Forsher wrote:
a) how can you construe that as not asking?

b) it's really not self evident. The thread is here for everyone not just you two.

a) I was going to explain regardless.
b) Yes it is.

Well, this post was a waste of time.


"I was going to do it anyway!"

"Didn't do anything until being asked to do so and did half the job."

Really credible.

There are four threads that you and Liriena can both be said to have been in. There are probably more that you just never posted in but these are the ones we know exist.

At this point it becomes a bit awkward to automate the search. We could search for "fascist" or "Liriena" but doing so is only going to give us quoted examples of the latter. We'll treat this as a proxy of the true baseline. Now, go examine your evidence. If you don't find anything in there, grab the threads and organise them by author and ctrl-F.

The thing with this kind of exercise is that it's subject to a very simple heuristic:

if it were true, it'd be easy
if it were easy, it'd be done
if it were done, it'd be true

All the heuristic asks of people is to assume they're lazy, which is always reasonable.
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Stop making shit up, though. Links, or it's a God-damn lie and you know it.

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Postby Quantipapa » Sun Oct 07, 2018 12:47 am

Mystic Warriors wrote:
Quantipapa wrote:Nothing was specifically proven. Liberals need to be equally critical of their own. Don't misinterpret me. I didn't say Judge K didn't do it. I just said liberals need to be EQUALLy critical of their own.

Otherwise their rage now is purely political because they don't want a pro-lifer to get on board, and they rather resort to a testimony about an unprovable accusation.

To gain some credibility, be equally rigorous with your own. Otherwise, your pretentiousness is clear



Tell that to conservatives who give their own a pass


I'm a conservative never Trumper and have called out my own all the time. His pussy grabbing comment was enough to get me fighting my own.

What about you? Don't brush aside a comment with a "oh he/she did it too!" It's a cheap shot and an unproductive contribution to the general desire for everyone to do better.

Yes, liberals can do better.

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Postby Mystic Warriors » Sun Oct 07, 2018 12:48 am

Quantipapa wrote:
Mystic Warriors wrote:

Tell that to conservatives who give their own a pass


I'm a conservative never Trumper and have called out my own all the time. His pussy grabbing comment was enough to get me fighting my own.

What about you? Don't brush aside a comment with a "oh he/she did it too!" It's a cheap shot and an unproductive contribution to the general desire for everyone to do better.

Yes, liberals can do better.



I know you are but what am I? Nice.

What comment are you talking about?
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Postby Kaggeceria » Sun Oct 07, 2018 12:50 am

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Kaggeceria wrote:Smug Lindsay Graham is just the best thing ever.


I can relate.


You are a slobbering man servant of donnie? :shock:

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/10/06/opin ... avanaugh.h

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Postby Forsher » Sun Oct 07, 2018 12:50 am

The Caleshan Valkyrie wrote:
Conserative Morality wrote:TIL Liriena's reactions here, on this forum, promote the past, what, twenty years of common right-wing behavior in America, at least, probably dating back further to the 80s, and arguably to the 60s.

Impressive!


Utterly tangential question: what does TIL mean?

I’ve seen it used but I don’t get the context.


Today I Learnt.

An alternative in this case would be ITT for In This Thread.

The Empire of Pretantia wrote:
Eternal Lotharia wrote:#ImpeachKav

I'm very pro-life, but is having a likely serial rapist/sexual assaulter(It is very likely to me, I'd have changed my mind if this investigation was conducted very well and thoroughly, but it wasn't, it was political to the core due to the extremely limited in scope and time, blatantly corrupt.) worth overturning the abortion legalization? This is about decency, rule of law, virtue, and human rights, dammit.

Friendly reminder that there's still no evidence to corroborate the allegation.


Why don't you subject yourself to the Kavanaugh guilt calculator?
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Postby Quantipapa » Sun Oct 07, 2018 12:51 am

Eternal Lotharia wrote:
Quantipapa wrote:
You sound like Einstein with all that self praise.

No, simply that I'm not uneducated so you couldn't search for a petty insult. I smacked you down before you could do that. Also, nice ad hominem.

Now, reply dammit to my position now, don't derail this in an attempt to hide your weakness and how this contradicts your point.


I sincerely am not impressed with the way liberals made their case. It's my position and I wasn't looking for a way to insult you until you verbally assaulted me with your intellectual qualifications.

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Postby Liriena » Sun Oct 07, 2018 12:51 am

Quantipapa wrote:Nothing was specifically proven. Liberals need to be equally critical of their own. Don't misinterpret me. I didn't say Judge K didn't do it. I just said liberals need to be EQUALLy critical of their own.

Otherwise their rage now is purely political because they don't want a pro-lifer to get on board, and they rather resort to a testimony about an unprovable accusation.

To gain some credibility, be equally rigorous with your own. Otherwise, your pretentiousness is clear

You mean like when liberals, including Senator Gillibrand, demanded Al Franken's resignation and he resigned?
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Postby Kaggeceria » Sun Oct 07, 2018 12:53 am

Liriena wrote:
Quantipapa wrote:Nothing was specifically proven. Liberals need to be equally critical of their own. Don't misinterpret me. I didn't say Judge K didn't do it. I just said liberals need to be EQUALLy critical of their own.

Otherwise their rage now is purely political because they don't want a pro-lifer to get on board, and they rather resort to a testimony about an unprovable accusation.

To gain some credibility, be equally rigorous with your own. Otherwise, your pretentiousness is clear

You mean like when liberals, including Senator Gillibrand, demanded Al Franken's resignation and he resigned?

Kirsten Gillibrand who campaigned for the Senate with Bill Clinton and now apparently hates Bill Clinton.

She's a hack.
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Postby Liriena » Sun Oct 07, 2018 12:54 am

Mystic Warriors wrote:
Quantipapa wrote:Nothing was specifically proven. Liberals need to be equally critical of their own. Don't misinterpret me. I didn't say Judge K didn't do it. I just said liberals need to be EQUALLy critical of their own.

Otherwise their rage now is purely political because they don't want a pro-lifer to get on board, and they rather resort to a testimony about an unprovable accusation.

To gain some credibility, be equally rigorous with your own. Otherwise, your pretentiousness is clear



Tell that to conservatives who give their own a pass

Never let conservatives forget that they almost let a child molester into the Senate, and had another one as Speaker of the House before that.
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Postby Quantipapa » Sun Oct 07, 2018 12:55 am

Kaggeceria wrote:
Liriena wrote:You mean like when liberals, including Senator Gillibrand, demanded Al Franken's resignation and he resigned?

Kirsten Gillibrand who campaigned for the Senate with Bill Clinton and now apparently hates Bill Clinton.

She's a hack.


Let politicians be politicians. WE can do better.

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Postby Petrasylvania » Sun Oct 07, 2018 12:57 am

Kaggeceria wrote:
Liriena wrote:TIL the democrats accused Gorsuch of being a serial sex predator and nobody told me :roll:

You are deluded if you think democratic leadership are nearly as willing to play dirty as republican leadership is. If anything, one of the biggest criticisms that the left has of the democratic leadership is that they are too obsessed with "muh civility".

They sat on a letter accusing a SCOTUS nominee of sexual assault for over a month just so that they can bring it as close to the midterms as possible. Then when they revealed the letter they made the woman who wanted anonymity come forward to use her for political fodder.

Yeah, I think they're just as willing (if not moreso) to play dirty than the Republicans are.

You called Ford a fucking liar but now that the confirmation is a done deal you're suddenly talking like she was being manipulated by the Democrats? That's cute, just like your fake sympathies for her.

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Of course. "Boys will be Boys" is a totally logical standpoint and not an incredibly sexist position that assumes that anyone with a Y chromosome is devoid of agency and a slave to their sexual desires.

This implies the rape actually happened.

Considering all four witnesses she named either weren't there or said it never happened I'm going to go with "she's a fucking liar".
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Postby Kaggeceria » Sun Oct 07, 2018 12:58 am

Quantipapa wrote:
Kaggeceria wrote:Kirsten Gillibrand who campaigned for the Senate with Bill Clinton and now apparently hates Bill Clinton.

She's a hack.


Let politicians be politicians. WE can do better.

Seems like we are since we (or at least I) didn't want to destroy a man over unproven and unsubstantiated allegations.
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Postby Quantipapa » Sun Oct 07, 2018 12:58 am

Eternal Lotharia wrote:I got 0.794 on the Kav guilt calc.

Quantipapa wrote:
I sincerely am not impressed with the way liberals made their case. It's my position and I wasn't looking for a way to insult you until you verbally assaulted me with your intellectual qualifications.


With all due respect, I'm used to such comments from right wingers, legitimately, finding some way to expose me as "a hack" or "uneducated". So I slapped it down in advance, nor wanting to waste my time, and to get into the meat of the debate.


I wasn't trying to expose you as a hack. I wasn't even quoting you. I was adding to this very long thread. I wasn't even thinking of you when I typed what I typed. I was accusing you of nothing. And you slapped me for something I didn't do.

In case you missed it, I WAS NOT RESPONDING OR REFERRING TO YOU IN THE FIRST INSTANCE.

Geez.

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Postby Liriena » Sun Oct 07, 2018 12:59 am

Kaggeceria wrote:
Liriena wrote:You mean like when liberals, including Senator Gillibrand, demanded Al Franken's resignation and he resigned?

Kirsten Gillibrand who campaigned for the Senate with Bill Clinton and now apparently hates Bill Clinton.

She's a hack.

I was talking about the Franken case, not the Clinton case. Try to keep up, dude.
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Postby Kaggeceria » Sun Oct 07, 2018 12:59 am

Petrasylvania wrote:
Kaggeceria wrote:They sat on a letter accusing a SCOTUS nominee of sexual assault for over a month just so that they can bring it as close to the midterms as possible. Then when they revealed the letter they made the woman who wanted anonymity come forward to use her for political fodder.

Yeah, I think they're just as willing (if not moreso) to play dirty than the Republicans are.

You called Ford a fucking liar but now that the confirmation is a done deal you're suddenly talking like she was being manipulated by the Democrats? That's cute, just like your fake sympathies for her.

Kaggeceria wrote:This implies the rape actually happened.

Considering all four witnesses she named either weren't there or said it never happened I'm going to go with "she's a fucking liar".

But she was and is.

Liars can also be manipulated. :)
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Postby Kaggeceria » Sun Oct 07, 2018 1:00 am

Liriena wrote:
Kaggeceria wrote:Kirsten Gillibrand who campaigned for the Senate with Bill Clinton and now apparently hates Bill Clinton.

She's a hack.

I was talking about the Franken case, not the Clinton case. Try to keep up, dude.

I'm aware, but I feel it's relevant since you're trying to hoist her up.
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