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Do you support the confirmation of Justice Kavanaugh

Yes I support his confirmation allegations against him are likely false or insufficient evidence
108
45%
Yes I support his confirmation even though the allegations against him are likely true but they are just too old
1
0%
Yes I support his confirmation because of judicial philosophy regardless of the allegations being true or false
13
5%
No I am against his confirmation because the allegations are likely true
24
10%
No I am against his confirmation because of his judicial philosophy (pick this if both please)
92
39%
 
Total votes : 238

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Postby Petrasylvania » Thu Sep 27, 2018 1:55 pm

Myrensis wrote:You do on some level have to admire the sheer gall and unmitigated hypocrisy of Republicans, not even the faintest trace of shame as they roar about he same behavior they've made the bedrock of their political existence being the most horrible thing ever when it's turned against them.

Watching Lindsay Graham clutch his pearls and wail about how never in his life has he seen anything as horrifying and intolerable as the way the Democrats are trying to play political games with a Supreme Court Justice, and then wailing about how the Democrats are just despicably trying to hold a seat open in the hope of a 2020 win is astonishing, given how last year he, like the rest of the GOP, were gloating about their success in denying Obama his Supreme Court pick until after the 2016 election.

Can you imagine if we lived in a world where conservatives actually possessed the capacity to act in good faith on anything or had even the faintest remnants of anything resembling principle or integrity? It'd be like living with Unicorns.

Vermin through and through.

I really hope the Democrats realized taking the high road against Viet Cong level tunnel rats is a sucker's game and get a lot more feral.
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Postby Vassenor » Thu Sep 27, 2018 1:56 pm

Republican Senator Lindsey Graham launches into an impassioned speech.

"If you wanted an FBI investigation you could've come to us," he tells his Democratic colleagues.

"You wanted to destroy this guy's life. You've got nothing to apologise for," he tells Kavanaugh

"This is the most unethical sham since I've been in politics. If you really wanted to know the truth you sure as hell wouldn't have done what you've done to this guy!

"You had no intention of protecting Dr Ford - she's as much as a victim as you are.

"Let me tell you when it comes to this: you're looking for a fair process? You came to the wrong town at the wrong time, my friend."

"This is hell. This is going to destroy the ability of good people to come forward, because of this crap."

He tells his Republican colleagues, if they vote no, they're legitimising "this charade".

"I intend to vote for you and I hope everybody who is fair-minded will."


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Postby Kaggeceria » Thu Sep 27, 2018 1:56 pm

Paddy O Fernature wrote:Mr. Graham..

Holy shit. Well said. :clap:

Yep. Never been quite that impressed with Lindsay before.
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Postby Tarsonis » Thu Sep 27, 2018 1:56 pm

Kaggeceria wrote:Sen Whitehouse literally interrogating Kavanaugh over flatulence when he was 16.


Judge I’m not offended you made a fart joke, I’m offended that it was a bad fart joke. I move to dismiss.
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Postby Kaggeceria » Thu Sep 27, 2018 1:56 pm

Vassenor wrote:
Republican Senator Lindsey Graham launches into an impassioned speech.

"If you wanted an FBI investigation you could've come to us," he tells his Democratic colleagues.

"You wanted to destroy this guy's life. You've got nothing to apologise for," he tells Kavanaugh

"This is the most unethical sham since I've been in politics. If you really wanted to know the truth you sure as hell wouldn't have done what you've done to this guy!

"You had no intention of protecting Dr Ford - she's as much as a victim as you are.

"Let me tell you when it comes to this: you're looking for a fair process? You came to the wrong town at the wrong time, my friend."

"This is hell. This is going to destroy the ability of good people to come forward, because of this crap."

He tells his Republican colleagues, if they vote no, they're legitimising "this charade".

"I intend to vote for you and I hope everybody who is fair-minded will."


Garland says hi.

Was Garland accused of sexual assault?
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Postby Puldania » Thu Sep 27, 2018 1:57 pm

Tarsonis wrote:
Puldania wrote:Graham was right in that this will affect other individuals' experiences in reporting sexual assault.
He was also right in that democrats probably did not care about Ford, so much as pushing an agenda.
I do not believe Kavanaugh should be elected, however.


We get it, you don’t like Kavanaugh. My problem is you’re making it very clear you don’t want him for his positions, and are hiding behind the accusations. You’re just like the Dems in that regard.

My concerns more lay in not favoring a specific party in the court. I would strongly prefer a neutral court, and Kavanaugh would not be conducive to that.
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Postby Jerzyland » Thu Sep 27, 2018 1:57 pm

Lindsay Graham pops his cork.

Little Brett needed a demonstration of the proper way, the testosterone infused manly way, a real man gets angry.

...Now, let the flatulence and vomiting begin.
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Postby Telconi » Thu Sep 27, 2018 1:58 pm

Kaggeceria wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
Garland says hi.

Was Garland accused of sexual assault?


Oh come on, Gauth got straight 10's at the World Mental Gymnastics judging panel. He'll make it the same thing.
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Postby Tarsonis » Thu Sep 27, 2018 1:58 pm

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There’s a difference between manipulating procedure and creating a spectical. What the Republicans did you Garland is nothing links what the Dems are doing to Kav.

Get the duck over it.


That may be but "how dare you?" comments over the very things he supported? That's hypocrisy.

Having said that; some of his comments were right.


No it isn’t. Because yes they manipulated procedure to majority filibuster a nominee, but they didn’t do this. They didn’t sink so low as to create this apectacle, to drag peoples names through the mud for political gain, to stick it to the president.

Y’all lost in 2016. Get over it.
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Postby Petrasylvania » Thu Sep 27, 2018 1:58 pm

Kaggeceria wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
Garland says hi.

Was Garland accused of sexual assault?

Wasn't even given an actual confirmation hearing to get derailed, unlike good ol' Brett. :^]
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Postby Kaggeceria » Thu Sep 27, 2018 1:58 pm

People comparing this to Garland.

Did Garland have his name smeared like this?

All the GOP did was refuse to meet with him.
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Postby Kaggeceria » Thu Sep 27, 2018 1:59 pm

Petrasylvania wrote:
Kaggeceria wrote:Was Garland accused of sexual assault?

Wasn't even given an actual confirmation to get derailed, unlike good ol' Brett. :^]

Somehow that seems more preferable.
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Postby Telconi » Thu Sep 27, 2018 1:59 pm

Puldania wrote:
Tarsonis wrote:
We get it, you don’t like Kavanaugh. My problem is you’re making it very clear you don’t want him for his positions, and are hiding behind the accusations. You’re just like the Dems in that regard.

My concerns more lay in not favoring a specific party in the court. I would strongly prefer a neutral court, and Kavanaugh would not be conducive to that.


A neutral court is a worthless court.
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Postby Tarsonis » Thu Sep 27, 2018 1:59 pm

Puldania wrote:
Tarsonis wrote:
We get it, you don’t like Kavanaugh. My problem is you’re making it very clear you don’t want him for his positions, and are hiding behind the accusations. You’re just like the Dems in that regard.

My concerns more lay in not favoring a specific party in the court. I would strongly prefer a neutral court, and Kavanaugh would not be conducive to that.


Like I said, we get it, you don’t like Kav.
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Postby Puldania » Thu Sep 27, 2018 1:59 pm

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The Black Forrest wrote:
That may be but "how dare you?" comments over the very things he supported? That's hypocrisy.

Having said that; some of his comments were right.


I it isn’t. Because yes they manipulated procedure to majority filibuster a nominee, but they didn’t do this. They didn’t sink so low as to crate this apectacle, to drag peoples names through the mud for political gain, to stick it or the president.

Y’all lost in 2016. Get over it.

I'd argue that this is at least a legitimate reason to hold issue with his nomination, regardless of the intentions.
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Postby Kubrath » Thu Sep 27, 2018 2:00 pm

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It's not evil to try to defeat your political opponents. It's the methods in which you attempt to do it that may come into question. If they had any respect for due process, they wouldn't start calling for him to bow out simply because of an allegation. They'd actually want to have an investigation first before making such calls.

So they should wait for an investigation that won't happen to oppose the nominee they were already opposed to before these allegations came to light. They shouldn't want a nominee to drop out whose presence would bring the court into disrepute exactly because the allegations against him will never be investigated.


If it doesn't happen, that'll be on them. If there's any credibility to this, there's no reason why it wouldn't happen. It's quite clear why they're doing what they're doing, and no amount of virtue signalling is going to fool anyone. The Dems are full of folks like you who think that mere allegations would bring someone to disrepute and should therefore disqualify said someone. Quite frankly, you and the Dems don't have an ethical leg to stand on.
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Postby Petrasylvania » Thu Sep 27, 2018 2:00 pm

Kaggeceria wrote:People comparing this to Garland.

Did Garland have his name smeared like this?

All the GOP did was refuse to meet with him.

If he was given an actual confirmation hearing it wouldn't be too hard to air any actual Garland dirty laundries.
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Postby Imperial Snasdep » Thu Sep 27, 2018 2:00 pm

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Imperial Snasdep wrote:It could probably also do to the fact that he had already gone through multiple FBI investigations


And what did they investigate?

Considering that he went through 5 or 6 investigations, most likely every aspect of his life

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Postby Vassenor » Thu Sep 27, 2018 2:00 pm

Dr. Ford has passed a polygraph test and given the Committee the results. Judge Kavanaugh has not. She has called for outside witnesses to testify. Judge Kavanaugh has not. She called for an FBI investigation. Judge Kavanaugh has not.
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Postby Puldania » Thu Sep 27, 2018 2:01 pm

Tarsonis wrote:
Puldania wrote:My concerns more lay in not favoring a specific party in the court. I would strongly prefer a neutral court, and Kavanaugh would not be conducive to that.


Like I said, we get it, you don’t like Kav.

Just because I don't blow him constantly doesn't mean I dislike him.
I'd understand your inability to tell the difference.
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Postby The Black Forrest » Thu Sep 27, 2018 2:01 pm

Tarsonis wrote:
The Black Forrest wrote:
That may be but "how dare you?" comments over the very things he supported? That's hypocrisy.

Having said that; some of his comments were right.


I it isn’t. Because yes they manipulated procedure to majority filibuster a nominee, but they didn’t do this. They didn’t sink so low as to crate this apectacle, to drag peoples names through the mud for political gain, to stick it or the president.

Y’all lost in 2016. Get over it.


Oh come now "they just want to keep the seat open" is an example of hypocrisy.

Sexual assault claims should be investigated. I have said it should be investigated. Problem is neither party really wants that.
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Postby Petrasylvania » Thu Sep 27, 2018 2:02 pm

Telconi wrote:
Puldania wrote:My concerns more lay in not favoring a specific party in the court. I would strongly prefer a neutral court, and Kavanaugh would not be conducive to that.


A neutral court is a worthless court.

Trying to hack iPhone encryption now?
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Postby Vassenor » Thu Sep 27, 2018 2:02 pm

And this is before we get to Kav bullshitting about what Devil's Triangle means.

For reference, it's a slang term for a 2 guys 1 girl threesome. He claims it's a drinking game.
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Postby Kaggeceria » Thu Sep 27, 2018 2:02 pm

Vassenor wrote:Dr. Ford has passed a polygraph test and given the Committee the results. Judge Kavanaugh has not.

Polygraphs can be faked. And who paid for it?

She has called for outside witnesses to testify. Judge Kavanaugh has not.

Her own witnesses disagree with her.

She called for an FBI investigation. Judge Kavanaugh has not.

Because she wants to delay until after the midterms.

Stop copying things from Twitter.
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Postby Telconi » Thu Sep 27, 2018 2:02 pm

Petrasylvania wrote:
Telconi wrote:
A neutral court is a worthless court.

Trying to hack iPhone encryption now?


Is this some sort of juvenile humor?
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