Judge Kavanaugh's confirmation Hearing Now with Poll

[San Lumen]

No, that people already consider her a liar and possibly an opportunist by this point in the game.

Didn't stop people from demanding Keith Ellison drop out. ;-]

Monahan was put through the rigors, appeared on camera and many deemed her story not credible. This woman has the chance to do so and appears to not want to do so. Something doenst sound right here. Either she is lying or is too cowardly to defend her story.

[San Lumen]

I dont but the fact that she wont respond to the invitation to attend is puzzling.

Not really. If I'm understanding it correctly, she wanted to remain anon at the beginning and is only publicly known due to an "accidental" leak. If true, it would make sense that maybe she's had enough of the dog n pony bullshit show and is going to use this as an opportunity to get out while she still could.

Didn't stop people from demanding Keith Ellison drop out. ;-]

I have not heard anything about it being accidental.

[Petrasylvania]

Didn't stop people from demanding Keith Ellison drop out. ;-]

Monahan was but through the rigors, appeared on camera and many deemed her story not credible. This woman has the chance to do so and appears to not want to do so. Something doenst sound right here. Either she is lying or is too cowardly to defend her story.

I still think she might be hesitant because of how Anita Hill was grilled as a golddigging slut.

[Tarsonis]

Oh my sweet summer kettle...





Ahahaha, this has nothing to do with the level of appointment. You say I'm not interested in truth, but that's the funny thing, that's all that interests me. There's categorically no way of proving these allegations true. Perhaps she testifies, and perhaps she gives a very moving account of what happened to her, and yes perhaps Kavanaugh guilty. There's only one problem, there's no way to prove that.. There's no way to corroborate the accusations she's making. There's no witnesses by her own admission, there's not going to be any physical evidence 37 years after the fact, and again, by her own admission, theres nothing on record even relating to this incident prior to 2012.

These accusations cannot be corroborated, one way or the other. Which means the accused get's the benefit of the doubt. Welcome to American Legalism 101. In the case of the SCOTUS appointment, because they cannot be corroborated, they don't actually speak to the Character of Kavanaugh, not with any sort of merit. And here's the kicker, it's important that they don't affect the process. If they do affect the process, it sets precedent that so long as someone levels the most baseless accusations against someone, the minority can delay the appointment of any person to any position that they don't want. It lowers the level of process in our Republic the point where were destroying peoples careers, just to make sure our opposition can't fill the position they want to.



You keep saying I'm not interested in truth, but you're off the mark. The difference between you and me is you've already accepted the accusations as true, and I see no reason to take them seriously unless actual evidence can be presented. I'm also betting that you don't actually care to ponder if they're true accusations or not, but you latched on to them because of your anti-trumpian stance. You don't like Trump, thus you don't like Kavanaugh, thus you'll readily accept any accusation no matter how flimsy because it works toward your particular stance. You're not interested in truth, you're interested in your agenda. You act like the republicans are putting up a convicted rapist, because in your mind you've already convicted him, without any evidence, without any due process, without any justification, beyond the fact that you simply don't want him to be on the Court, and then you look down your nose at those of us who haven't followed along. Of course you say we're willingly turning a blind eye to a rapist, because he's already guilty in your eyes and you see all.



And just in case you doubt my intention, I actually . He never should have gotten the nom in the first place in my opinion. Amy Barret is who should have gotten it.

First PP above, you are totally wrong. Maybe you'll get it if put to you this way (yeah, right). My state wouldn't hire a candidate for State Police Officer position who had a credible accusation of this sort. Theyd move on to the next candidate.

That’s just it, the accusations aren’t credible. A person making an accusation, even from a person we might regard as credible, isn’t credible unless there is corroborating evidence. There is none in this case. Further the way the dems handled it undermine any sense of credibility with steeping suspicion that this is political contrivance.

Next PP. You are more worried about the political (blah blah blah minority blah blah) than the judicial. This is a Judicial appointment at the highest level FOR LIFE. Personally, I don't know Trump but my neighbor worked for him in the failed Atlantic City casino. She loved the guy, but not for president. Get that? I have the same feelings. He's not qualified ethically and otherwise, but might be fine to work for in a casino. Sorry, but it looks like I may have higher standards than you for high political and judicial jobs that affect millions. And no, your not qualified to be my professor in American Legalism 101 bc you make loud noises on the internet. So just get over it already

so far your standard is Trump appointed him so he doesn’t meet your standards. You can use what ever lofty language you want, but your position is clearly strictly partisan.

PP 3, most of which is incoherent ranting, but here's a couple things. First, I have never mentioned the word rape. I haven't accepted the accusations are true or false. As I have said, let's have the hearings and we'll see. You, OTOH have said yesterday the hearings aren't necessary. I totally disagree. But as far as similar high profile jobs such as these are concerned outside of the senate confirmation process, normally we'd move on to the next candidate at this point.

No matter what friend, at least Kavanaugh had a hearing and will be afforded another. That's more than Judge Garland received. His nomination was ignored. Do you want to tell me that's not true? Or something about what happened thirty years ago was the reason? Phhht.

Nope, that’s true, it wasn’t unprecedented, it was politics. But it was standard fare for politics. This lowers the bar from that tremendously.

Last sentence, about your intentions. For someone that "don't give a shit if Kavanaugh get's confirmed" you sure as Hell seem to give a shit.
Amy Barrett can get in line. Merrick Garland says he's still available and if Trump were to dump Kavanaugh for centerist Garland he'd find many people would decide to take a second look at Trump himself. Of course, that would take political courage on Trump's part. He'd have to defy his base which is full of cats like you. Do you think he's got it in him? It would be awesome to see that happen, though I feel the odds are against it.

I care about the integrity of the process. Which this move clearly violates. Feinstein isn’t fooling anyone with her anonymity crap. This was a calculated and planned 11th hour smear. The Democrats should not get away with this type of abominable behavior. Republicans should confirm Kavanaugh on principle.


Secondly Im not a trump supporter. Never have been.

[Ethel mermania]

I dont but the fact that she wont respond to the invitation to attend is puzzling.

Not really. If I'm understanding it correctly, she wanted to remain anon at the beginning and is only publicly known due to an "accidental" leak. If true, it would make sense that maybe she's had enough of the dog n pony bullshit show and is going to use this as an opportunity to get out while she still could.

Didn't stop people from demanding Keith Ellison drop out. ;-]

I thought she did say at one point, prior to the offer, that she would testify. I still would give her a bit of time to decide.

[Jerzylvania]

It's not "JUDGMENT" of the individual as much as it's better judgment of the field of candidates for the job.

BTW, maybe learn to spell the word.

Perhaps you should maybe educate yourself, and know that both are acceptable spellings for the word in common usage, before trying to tell someone that they should learn how to spell a word already spelled correctly and looking like a fool that doesn't have an argument to stand on grasping at straws. However, just for you cupcake, if you want me to spell it the way you think I should I will from here on out just to make you feel better.

#KnowUNo

I paid top notch college professors at a private college for the education, unlike you, a stale muffin, who seemingly has admitted to educating yourself.

Seems like you're saying you've touched yourself intellectually. Quaint.

[San Lumen]

Not really. If I'm understanding it correctly, she wanted to remain anon at the beginning and is only publicly known due to an "accidental" leak. If true, it would make sense that maybe she's had enough of the dog n pony bullshit show and is going to use this as an opportunity to get out while she still could.

I thought she did say at one point, prior to the offer, that she would testify. I still would give her a bit of time to decide.

I hope she does testify because if she doesnt it would be huge blow to the MeToo movement.

[Jerzylvania]

Oh my sweet summer kettle...

First PP above, you are totally wrong. Maybe you'll get it if put to you this way (yeah, right). My state wouldn't hire a candidate for State Police Officer position who had a credible accusation of this sort. Theyd move on to the next candidate.

That’s just it, the accusations aren’t credible. A person making an accusation, even from a person we might regard as credible, isn’t credible unless there is corroborating evidence. There is none in this case. Further the way the dems handled it undermine any sense of credibility with steeping suspicion that this is political contrivance.

Next PP. You are more worried about the political (blah blah blah minority blah blah) than the judicial. This is a Judicial appointment at the highest level FOR LIFE. Personally, I don't know Trump but my neighbor worked for him in the failed Atlantic City casino. She loved the guy, but not for president. Get that? I have the same feelings. He's not qualified ethically and otherwise, but might be fine to work for in a casino. Sorry, but it looks like I may have higher standards than you for high political and judicial jobs that affect millions. And no, your not qualified to be my professor in American Legalism 101 bc you make loud noises on the internet. So just get over it already

so far your standard is Trump appointed him so he doesn’t meet your standards. You can use what ever lofty language you want, but your position is clearly strictly partisan.

PP 3, most of which is incoherent ranting, but here's a couple things. First, I have never mentioned the word rape. I haven't accepted the accusations are true or false. As I have said, let's have the hearings and we'll see. You, OTOH have said yesterday the hearings aren't necessary. I totally disagree. But as far as similar high profile jobs such as these are concerned outside of the senate confirmation process, normally we'd move on to the next candidate at this point.

No matter what friend, at least Kavanaugh had a hearing and will be afforded another. That's more than Judge Garland received. His nomination was ignored. Do you want to tell me that's not true? Or something about what happened thirty years ago was the reason? Phhht.

Nope, that’s true, it wasn’t unprecedented, it was politics. But it was standard fare for politics. This lowers the bar from that tremendously.

Last sentence, about your intentions. For someone that "don't give a shit if Kavanaugh get's confirmed" you sure as Hell seem to give a shit.
Amy Barrett can get in line. Merrick Garland says he's still available and if Trump were to dump Kavanaugh for centerist Garland he'd find many people would decide to take a second look at Trump himself. Of course, that would take political courage on Trump's part. He'd have to defy his base which is full of cats like you. Do you think he's got it in him? It would be awesome to see that happen, though I feel the odds are against it.

I care about the integrity of the process. Which this move clearly violates. Feinstein isn’t fooling anyone with her anonymity crap. This was a calculated and planned 11th hour smear. The Democrats should not get away with this type of abominable behavior. Republicans should confirm Kavanaugh on principle.


Secondly Im not a trump supporter. Never have been.

Your kettle's on the boil and I'm so easily drawn away... (this is not quite the part where Linda McCartney sings)

[Paddy O Fernature]

Not really. If I'm understanding it correctly, she wanted to remain anon at the beginning and is only publicly known due to an "accidental" leak. If true, it would make sense that maybe she's had enough of the dog n pony bullshit show and is going to use this as an opportunity to get out while she still could.

I thought she did say at one point, prior to the offer, that she would testify. I still would give her a bit of time to decide.

Did she? I honestly have not seen anything saying that she did, which doesn't mean that she didn't necessarily..

I paid top notch college professors at a private college for the education, unlike you, a stale muffin, who seemingly has admitted to educating yourself.

Seems like you're saying you've touched yourself intellectually. Quaint.

You clearly should ask for a refund, as well as stop grasping for even more straws. Don't you think that you have quite enough already?

[Tobleste]

If she isn't going to testify, then the nomination probably shouldn't be delayed. Obviously he's going to do terrible damage to America and women's rights but that's true for any republican nominee and if a published accusation is enough to delay a nomination, then republicans will have them ready for every democratic nominee come the next time they hold the white house.

[Ethel mermania]

I thought she did say at one point, prior to the offer, that she would testify. I still would give her a bit of time to decide.

I hope she does testify because if she doesnt it would be huge blow to the MeToo movement.

I think the whole way this was played by the democrats damages the movement. They didn't care about Dr. Ford, they are just trying to delay the vote till after the midterms.

[The South Falls]

She should come to testify, if only to defend herself. Because if not, then most of America might not believe her.

[Jerzylvania]

I thought she did say at one point, prior to the offer, that she would testify. I still would give her a bit of time to decide.

Did she? I honestly have not seen anything saying that she did, which doesn't mean that she didn't necessarily..

I paid top notch college professors at a private college for the education, unlike you, a stale muffin, who seemingly has admitted to educating yourself.

Seems like you're saying you've touched yourself intellectually. Quaint.

You clearly should ask for a refund, as well as stop grasping for even more straws. Don't you think that you have quite enough already?

^part where Linda McCartney sings "hands above the water, gurgle..."
Wow that's so funny nobody gets it.

Why do you even start this flame baiting, Paddy? Why, indeed?

As for the rest of your post.... oh never mind.

[Jerzylvania]

She should come to testify, if only to defend herself. Because if not, then most of America might not believe her.

Excellent point. She considered all of this negative aspect before going forward. Anita Hill was believable in the Clarence Thomas mess but still got wacked in the right wing tabloids etc. Ms. Ford will also get hurt for this effort.

Sen. Collins says attorneys for Kavanaugh and his accuser should be allowed to ask questions

[Right wing humour squad]

If she isn't going to testify, then the nomination probably shouldn't be delayed. Obviously he's going to do terrible damage to America and women's rights but that's true for any republican nominee and if a published accusation is enough to delay a nomination, then republicans will have them ready for every democratic nominee come the next time they hold the white house.

I’m a fan of overturning roe vs wade so that shit can get it’s o constitutional amendment, it needs it. Completely remove trad cons ability to states rights and create impediments to that shit.

[Vassenor]

CNN reporting that Grassley has cancelled the confirmation vote.

[San Lumen]

She should come to testify, if only to defend herself. Because if not, then most of America might not believe her.

she should testify. It not she will be branded a liar an opportunist.

[Proctopeo]

She should come to testify, if only to defend herself. Because if not, then most of America might not believe her.

she should testify. It not she will be branded a liar an opportunist.

Which, in that situation, would be justified enough.

[San Lumen]

she should testify. It not she will be branded a liar an opportunist.

Which, in that situation, would be justified enough.

I would have to agree

[Telconi]

she should testify. It not she will be branded a liar an opportunist.

Which, in that situation, would be justified enough.

This whole thing has been suspicious from the get go.

[San Lumen]

Which, in that situation, would be justified enough.

This whole thing has been suspicious from the get go.

Why because its a Republican involved? But if a Democrat was accused they are automatically guilty?

[Paddy O Fernature]

This whole thing has been suspicious from the get go.

Why because its a Republican involved? But if a Democrat was accused they are automatically guilty?

Hardly and you know it.

[Thermodolia]

CNN reporting that Grassley has cancelled the confirmation vote.

No they aren’t

[Jerzylvania]

I hope she does testify because if she doesnt it would be huge blow to the MeToo movement.

I think the whole way this was played by the democrats damages the movement. They didn't care about Dr. Ford, they are just trying to delay the vote till after the midterms.

Dr. Ford went into this with her eyes wide open. College professors of psychology aren't generally naive.

As for whether a delay is such an awfully unprecedented thing ...tell me about Merrick Garland or why government shutdowns are less deplorable?

Politics is just butt ugly.

[Telconi]

This whole thing has been suspicious from the get go.

Why because its a Republican involved? But if a Democrat was accused they are automatically guilty?

I am amazed how quickly you can go from reasonable observer to partisan attack dog.