Judge Kavanaugh's confirmation Hearing Now with Poll

[Tarsonis]

Yeah, cause who needs or even wants actual evidence before passing judgement against someone, right?

*Nod Nod*

Indeed. Moore showed evidence wasn't necessary for many people.

The problem for Kav was the way he handled himself. Detailed responses for the superfluous questions and vague non-answers for the important stuff. Why would people take him at his word? Especially if they don't know him and donnie wanted him?

Her claims and description warrant a look. What she has to say could bring charges from the state; well....if the DA isn't a trumper.

Cardassian justice is it?

[Shofercia]

Yeah, cause who needs or even wants actual evidence before passing judgement against someone, right?

*Nod Nod*

Indeed. Moore showed evidence wasn't necessary for many people.

The problem for Kav was the way he handled himself. Detailed responses for the superfluous questions and vague non-answers for the important stuff. Why would people take him at his word? Especially if they don't know him and donnie wanted him?

Her claims and description warrant a look. What she has to say could bring charges from the state; well....if the DA isn't a trumper.

Here's the problem though - if he would've given detailed answers to the important stuff, he could've been borked, and if he gave vague answers in response to the allegations against him, he would've come off as someone who doesn't give a shit about sexual allegations. It's a damned if you do, damned if you don't scenario.

[The Black Forrest]

And just in case you doubt my intention, I actually don't give a shit if Kavanaugh get's confirmed. He never should have gotten the nom in the first place in my opinion. Amy Barret is who should have gotten it.

She seems to be rather religious. Could she separate it from the bench? Also, her comments about stare decisis will loose support.

Don't know her ruling history so I can't judge her.

[Gig em Aggies]

Indeed. Moore showed evidence wasn't necessary for many people.

The problem for Kav was the way he handled himself. Detailed responses for the superfluous questions and vague non-answers for the important stuff. Why would people take him at his word? Especially if they don't know him and donnie wanted him?

Her claims and description warrant a look. What she has to say could bring charges from the state; well....if the DA isn't a trumper.

Cardassian justice is it?

No it's more like the Tanugan Four justice system guilty until proven innocent.

[The Black Forrest]

Indeed. Moore showed evidence wasn't necessary for many people.

The problem for Kav was the way he handled himself. Detailed responses for the superfluous questions and vague non-answers for the important stuff. Why would people take him at his word? Especially if they don't know him and donnie wanted him?

Her claims and description warrant a look. What she has to say could bring charges from the state; well....if the DA isn't a trumper.

Here's the problem though - if he would've given detailed answers to the important stuff, he could've been borked, and if he gave vague answers in response to the allegations against him, he would've come off as someone who doesn't give a shit about sexual allegations. It's a damned if you do, damned if you don't scenario.

I don't know if he could have been borked. The demos lack the numbers. Then again Kav could have views which would cause Republicans to vote against him. Bork was involved with the Saturday Night Massacre; that ruling against the gay sailor. It did not help when people at the time were looking to the Fed to impose standards of voting fairness on the states. Bork supported poll taxes. He also wanted to roll back civil rights rulings from Warren and Burger. The comments about the right to privacy not in the Constitution..... So the sides were set for that fight. Right or wrong. Many republicans voted against him. We did get some good things from his failure. Justice Kennedy; the video privacy protection act.

I think a lifetime appointment should be "open book" no matter the nomination.

Problem is people don't like that as it could sink "my guy"

[Jerzylvania]

That cat doesn't seem interested at getting to the truth on this particular occasion. He keeps pretending we're hiring an assistant manager at Arby's or maybe Walmart. In that case, sure, overlook it and nobody would argue because your pool of available excellent choice people may not be much.

But the bar for SCOTUS appointment is steeply higher and there are many highly qualified candidates that don't have the problems Kavanaugh has. Time for POTUS to save himself the trouble and move on from this flawed nominee.

Yeah, cause who needs or even wants actual evidence before passing judgement against someone, right?

*Nod Nod*

It's not "JUDGMENT" of the individual as much as it's better judgment of the field of candidates for the job.

BTW, maybe learn to spell the word.

[The Black Forrest]

Indeed. Moore showed evidence wasn't necessary for many people.

The problem for Kav was the way he handled himself. Detailed responses for the superfluous questions and vague non-answers for the important stuff. Why would people take him at his word? Especially if they don't know him and donnie wanted him?

Her claims and description warrant a look. What she has to say could bring charges from the state; well....if the DA isn't a trumper.

Cardassian justice is it?

oooookay.

The fact he coaches softball gives him a pass?

Whether or not he gets charged is up to the system. I don't think he will be.

[Petrasylvania]

Cardassian justice is it?

oooookay.

The fact he coaches softball gives him a pass?

Whether or not he gets charged is up to the system. I don't think he will be.

And if/when he rules that Donnie can't be charged with any crimes he was proven to commit while in office the GOP high-fives each other.

[San Lumen]

And now there are reports that Ms Ford has not reached out to the Senate regarding testifying on Monday. If she does not testify publicity it will lead to a narrative of it being a last hour hail mary and she will be portrayed as a liar. It would be great disservice if she did not come forward.

[Shofercia]

Here's the problem though - if he would've given detailed answers to the important stuff, he could've been borked, and if he gave vague answers in response to the allegations against him, he would've come off as someone who doesn't give a shit about sexual allegations. It's a damned if you do, damned if you don't scenario.

I don't know if he could have been borked. The demos lack the numbers. Then again Kav could have views which would cause Republicans to vote against him. Bork was involved with the Saturday Night Massacre; that ruling against the gay sailor. It did not help when people at the time were looking to the Fed to impose standards of voting fairness on the states. Bork supported poll taxes. He also wanted to roll back civil rights rulings from Warren and Burger. The comments about the right to privacy not in the Constitution..... So the sides were set for that fight. Right or wrong. Many republicans voted against him. We did get some good things from his failure. Justice Kennedy; the video privacy protection act.

I think a lifetime appointment should be "open book" no matter the nomination.

Problem is people don't like that as it could sink "my guy"

I agree with you, but the problem is political partisanship, especially now. Ideally, the Senators should look at the Justice without party allegiance, and vote based on who they think would do the best job. Unfortunately, then said Senators might be attacked in the primaries for their confirmation vote, if they dare cross party lines, and since most politicians are self serving, we have the circus that we have today.

[The Black Forrest]

And now there are reports that Ms Ford has not reached out to the Senate regarding testifying on Monday. If she does not testify publicity it will lead to a narrative of it being a last hour hail mary and she will be portrayed as a liar. It would be great disservice if she did not come forward.

It's that right to face your accuser. She started this and now she has to finish it. Politics is nasty and she is being rather ignorant to think she could make such a claim and not fall under scrutiny.

[Telconi]

I don't know if he could have been borked. The demos lack the numbers. Then again Kav could have views which would cause Republicans to vote against him. Bork was involved with the Saturday Night Massacre; that ruling against the gay sailor. It did not help when people at the time were looking to the Fed to impose standards of voting fairness on the states. Bork supported poll taxes. He also wanted to roll back civil rights rulings from Warren and Burger. The comments about the right to privacy not in the Constitution..... So the sides were set for that fight. Right or wrong. Many republicans voted against him. We did get some good things from his failure. Justice Kennedy; the video privacy protection act.

I think a lifetime appointment should be "open book" no matter the nomination.

Problem is people don't like that as it could sink "my guy"

I agree with you, but the problem is political partisanship, especially now. Ideally, the Senators should look at the Justice without party allegiance, and vote based on who they think would do the best job. Unfortunately, then said Senators might be attacked in the primaries for their confirmation vote, if they dare cross party lines, and since most politicians are self serving, we have the circus that we have today.

Problem is, the nominations are so politically charged now that 'who they think would do the best job' IS the person they most agree with ideologically.

[Petrasylvania]

And now there are reports that Ms Ford has not reached out to the Senate regarding testifying on Monday. If she does not testify publicity it will lead to a narrative of it being a last hour hail mary and she will be portrayed as a liar. It would be great disservice if she did not come forward.

It's that right to face your accuser. She started this and now she has to finish it. Politics is nasty and she is being rather ignorant to think she could make such a claim and not fall under scrutiny.

She probably remembers how the Senate as a whole dismissed Anita Hill as a golddigging slut.

[San Lumen]

And now there are reports that Ms Ford has not reached out to the Senate regarding testifying on Monday. If she does not testify publicity it will lead to a narrative of it being a last hour hail mary and she will be portrayed as a liar. It would be great disservice if she did not come forward.

It's that right to face your accuser. She started this and now she has to finish it. Politics is nasty and she is being rather ignorant to think she could make such a claim and not fall under scrutiny.

I completely agree

[Shofercia]

And now there are reports that Ms Ford has not reached out to the Senate regarding testifying on Monday. If she does not testify publicity it will lead to a narrative of it being a last hour hail mary and she will be portrayed as a liar. It would be great disservice if she did not come forward.

It's that right to face your accuser. She started this and now she has to finish it. Politics is nasty and she is being rather ignorant to think she could make such a claim and not fall under scrutiny.

Is it bad that I thought of a Mortal Combat reference while reading that post?

[Datlofff]

oooookay.

The fact he coaches softball gives him a pass?

Whether or not he gets charged is up to the system. I don't think he will be.

And if/when he rules that Donnie can't be charged with any crimes he was proven to commit while in office the GOP high-fives each other.

He can be impeached then arrested.... good try tho

[The Black Forrest]

It's that right to face your accuser. She started this and now she has to finish it. Politics is nasty and she is being rather ignorant to think she could make such a claim and not fall under scrutiny.

Is it bad that I thought of a Mortal Combat reference while reading that post?

Finish him!

hmmmmmmmmmight have been think of it......

[Petrasylvania]

And if/when he rules that Donnie can't be charged with any crimes he was proven to commit while in office the GOP high-fives each other.

He can be impeached then arrested.... good try tho

The GOP is going to impeach him?

[Tarsonis]

Cardassian justice is it?

oooookay.

The fact he coaches softball gives him a pass?

Whether or not he gets charged is up to the system. I don't think he will be.

He won’t be but it’s not for any overt political reason, but because no prosecutor worth their salt would touch this case. Not because it’s high profile but because they know it’s unwinnible . This case simply isn’t prosecutable.

Also it’s not about giving him a pass, it’s about the fact that this type of accusation is so flimsy, and not to mention so politically timed that there’s no demonstrable reason to give it any credence. He doesn’t get a pass because he’s a “nice guy” he gets the benefit of the doubt because everyone should get the benefit of the doubt in a case like this.

If people who were at the party start coming forward and saying “i was there, she’s telling the truth.” Then we got something, flimsy, not enough to pass reasonable doubt, but we got something. Unless there’s any sort of corroborating evidence this accusation is dead on arrival, as it should be. Not for his sake, but for all our sakes

[Datlofff]

He can be impeached then arrested.... good try tho

The GOP is going to impeach him?

I don't think the GOP could save the sinking ship that would be Donald trump if he he was actually proven to be working with Russia, and or breaking the law in any serious manner.

[San Lumen]

The GOP is going to impeach him?

I don't think the GOP could save the sinking ship that would be Donald trump if he he was actually proven to be working with Russia, and or breaking the law in any serious manner.

They have not shown any interest in caring. Party matters more than country to them and if Kavanaugh declared the President above the law what could be done?

[Telconi]

I don't think the GOP could save the sinking ship that would be Donald trump if he he was actually proven to be working with Russia, and or breaking the law in any serious manner.

They have not shown any interest in caring. Party matters more than country to them and if Kavanaugh declared the President above the law what could be done?

What proof are they not caring about?

[Tarsonis]

I don't think the GOP could save the sinking ship that would be Donald trump if he he was actually proven to be working with Russia, and or breaking the law in any serious manner.

They have not shown any interest in caring. Party matters more than country to them and if Kavanaugh declared the President above the law what could be done?

Oh yeah, cause the Democrats are such patriots

[Datlofff]

I don't think the GOP could save the sinking ship that would be Donald trump if he he was actually proven to be working with Russia, and or breaking the law in any serious manner.

They have not shown any interest in caring. Party matters more than country to them and if Kavanaugh declared the President above the law what could be done?

He can't?

Even if he did, the dems could just have him thrown in jail after his term is up.

[Petrasylvania]

I don't think the GOP could save the sinking ship that would be Donald trump if he he was actually proven to be working with Russia, and or breaking the law in any serious manner.

They have not shown any interest in caring. Party matters more than country to them and if Kavanaugh declared the President above the law what could be done?

Ironic given that presidential immunity is the domain of countries the GOP looks down on.