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Do you support the confirmation of Justice Kavanaugh

Yes I support his confirmation allegations against him are likely false or insufficient evidence
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Yes I support his confirmation even though the allegations against him are likely true but they are just too old
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Yes I support his confirmation because of judicial philosophy regardless of the allegations being true or false
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No I am against his confirmation because the allegations are likely true
24
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No I am against his confirmation because of his judicial philosophy (pick this if both please)
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Postby Proctopeo » Sun Sep 16, 2018 12:36 pm

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Grinning Dragon wrote:Kinda of convenient this person waits almost 40yrs to say something?

I bet it's been explained to you multiple times that it's not at all rare or strange for victims of abuse not to come forward immediately.

An important thing to note here: human memory is fallible. Over time, especially if you remember it frequently, details drift away from reality until the original event is more or less completely lost. So we definitely should be highly skeptical; 36 years spells bad news for important things such as "accuracy" and "truth".
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Postby Valrifell » Sun Sep 16, 2018 12:39 pm

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Ifreann wrote:I bet it's been explained to you multiple times that it's not at all rare or strange for victims of abuse not to come forward immediately.

An important thing to note here: human memory is fallible. Over time, especially if you remember it frequently, details drift away from reality until the original event is more or less completely lost. So we definitely should be highly skeptical; 36 years spells bad news for important things such as "accuracy" and "truth".


I don't think an assault is exactly something you can forget as easily as what happened in any other date. People, you know, tend to remember traumatic experiences.
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Postby Right wing humour squad » Sun Sep 16, 2018 12:41 pm

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Proctopeo wrote:An important thing to note here: human memory is fallible. Over time, especially if you remember it frequently, details drift away from reality until the original event is more or less completely lost. So we definitely should be highly skeptical; 36 years spells bad news for important things such as "accuracy" and "truth".


I don't think an assault is exactly something you can forget as easily as what happened in any other date. People, you know, tend to remember traumatic experiences.


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Postby Proctopeo » Sun Sep 16, 2018 12:42 pm

Valrifell wrote:
Proctopeo wrote:An important thing to note here: human memory is fallible. Over time, especially if you remember it frequently, details drift away from reality until the original event is more or less completely lost. So we definitely should be highly skeptical; 36 years spells bad news for important things such as "accuracy" and "truth".


I don't think an assault is exactly something you can forget as easily as what happened in any other date. People, you know, tend to remember traumatic experiences.

Even then I highly doubt that, over all that time, the human brain managed to maintain the memory in sufficiently perfect form to be considered accurate.

This is, of course, assuming the accusation even has basis in reality; it could be manufactured wholesale for all we know.
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Postby Ifreann » Sun Sep 16, 2018 12:42 pm

Proctopeo wrote:
Ifreann wrote:I bet it's been explained to you multiple times that it's not at all rare or strange for victims of abuse not to come forward immediately.

An important thing to note here: human memory is fallible. Over time, especially if you remember it frequently, details drift away from reality until the original event is more or less completely lost. So we definitely should be highly skeptical; 36 years spells bad news for important things such as "accuracy" and "truth".

Fascinating. Kavanaugh got his BA in Yale in 1987, and graduated Yale Law in 1990. Can we really trust him to remember anything he learned in college, especially if he thinks back on his legal education frequently? Say, if he were working as a judge?
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Postby Proctopeo » Sun Sep 16, 2018 12:45 pm

Ifreann wrote:
Proctopeo wrote:An important thing to note here: human memory is fallible. Over time, especially if you remember it frequently, details drift away from reality until the original event is more or less completely lost. So we definitely should be highly skeptical; 36 years spells bad news for important things such as "accuracy" and "truth".

Fascinating. Kavanaugh got his BA in Yale in 1987, and graduated Yale Law in 1990. Can we really trust him to remember anything he learned in college, especially if he thinks back on his legal education frequently? Say, if he were working as a judge?

You missed my point entirely, and probably on purpose at that. Seems to be a trend here, but eh.
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Postby Telconi » Sun Sep 16, 2018 12:47 pm

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Ifreann wrote:Fascinating. Kavanaugh got his BA in Yale in 1987, and graduated Yale Law in 1990. Can we really trust him to remember anything he learned in college, especially if he thinks back on his legal education frequently? Say, if he were working as a judge?

You missed my point entirely, and probably on purpose at that. Seems to be a trend here, but eh.
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Postby Ifreann » Sun Sep 16, 2018 12:48 pm

Proctopeo wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Fascinating. Kavanaugh got his BA in Yale in 1987, and graduated Yale Law in 1990. Can we really trust him to remember anything he learned in college, especially if he thinks back on his legal education frequently? Say, if he were working as a judge?

You missed my point entirely, and probably on purpose at that. Seems to be a trend here, but eh.
Should I spell my point out for you?

Oh, I don't care what your point is. It's just that you bringing up the fallibility of human memory made me wonder when Kavanaugh learned him the law. Turns out it was a while ago. How can you be sure he hasn't forgotten loads of it?
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Postby Proctopeo » Sun Sep 16, 2018 12:51 pm

Ifreann wrote:
Proctopeo wrote:You missed my point entirely, and probably on purpose at that. Seems to be a trend here, but eh.
Should I spell my point out for you?

Oh, I don't care what your point is. It's just that you bringing up the fallibility of human memory made me wonder when Kavanaugh learned him the law. Turns out it was a while ago. How can you be sure he hasn't forgotten loads of it?

The difference between the memory of an experience and multiple memories comprising a body of knowledge, reinforced through years of education, should be sufficiently obvious that you shouldn't have felt the need to ask this question.
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Postby Ifreann » Sun Sep 16, 2018 1:01 pm

Proctopeo wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Oh, I don't care what your point is. It's just that you bringing up the fallibility of human memory made me wonder when Kavanaugh learned him the law. Turns out it was a while ago. How can you be sure he hasn't forgotten loads of it?

The difference between the memory of an experience and multiple memories comprising a body of knowledge, reinforced through years of education, should be sufficiently obvious that you shouldn't have felt the need to ask this question.

I dunno, man, that just sounds like lots of things that Kavanaugh's been remembering for years, his memories becoming more and more wrong.
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Postby Proctopeo » Sun Sep 16, 2018 1:02 pm

Ifreann wrote:
Proctopeo wrote:The difference between the memory of an experience and multiple memories comprising a body of knowledge, reinforced through years of education, should be sufficiently obvious that you shouldn't have felt the need to ask this question.

I dunno, man, that just sounds like lots of things that Kavanaugh's been remembering for years, his memories becoming more and more wrong.

Argue in good faith please. Or go to the eye doctor, in case you have severe vision issues.
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Postby Ifreann » Sun Sep 16, 2018 1:06 pm

Proctopeo wrote:
Ifreann wrote:I dunno, man, that just sounds like lots of things that Kavanaugh's been remembering for years, his memories becoming more and more wrong.

Argue in good faith please. Or go to the eye doctor, in case you have severe vision issues.

There's no place for arguing in good faith in this thread about how Brett Kavanaugh never did anything wrong in his life, and if he did it doesn't count.
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Postby Vassenor » Sun Sep 16, 2018 1:23 pm

A lawyer close to the White House said the nomination will not be withdrawn.

“No way, not even a hint of it,” the lawyer said. “If anything, it’s the opposite. If somebody can be brought down by accusations like this, then you, me, every man certainly should be worried. We can all be accused of something.”


...So now the White House is implying every man in America is a rapist? :eyebrow:
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Postby Galloism » Sun Sep 16, 2018 1:26 pm

Vassenor wrote:
A lawyer close to the White House said the nomination will not be withdrawn.

“No way, not even a hint of it,” the lawyer said. “If anything, it’s the opposite. If somebody can be brought down by accusations like this, then you, me, every man certainly should be worried. We can all be accused of something.”


...So now the White House is implying every man in America is a rapist? :eyebrow:

Nope. The implication is that people are not honest 100% of the time.
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Postby Proctopeo » Sun Sep 16, 2018 2:23 pm

Ifreann wrote:
Proctopeo wrote:Argue in good faith please. Or go to the eye doctor, in case you have severe vision issues.

There's no place for arguing in good faith in this thread about how Brett Kavanaugh never did anything wrong in his life, and if he did it doesn't count.

What.
That's literally nobody's argument. The argument is that this one specific accusation, which has unusually perfect timing, is incapable of standing on its own and should be disregarded until we receive actual evidence.
Has he done things wrong before? Definitely; no human is perfect. But that isn't what people are arguing.
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Postby Fartsniffage » Sun Sep 16, 2018 2:35 pm

Proctopeo wrote:
Ifreann wrote:There's no place for arguing in good faith in this thread about how Brett Kavanaugh never did anything wrong in his life, and if he did it doesn't count.

What.
That's literally nobody's argument. The argument is that this one specific accusation, which has unusually perfect timing, is incapable of standing on its own and should be disregarded until we receive actual evidence.
Has he done things wrong before? Definitely; no human is perfect. But that isn't what people are arguing.


People have definitely been arguing that in this thread. Apparently even if the accusation were 100% true it's just normal American high school hijinks.

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Postby Proctopeo » Sun Sep 16, 2018 2:36 pm

Fartsniffage wrote:
Proctopeo wrote:What.
That's literally nobody's argument. The argument is that this one specific accusation, which has unusually perfect timing, is incapable of standing on its own and should be disregarded until we receive actual evidence.
Has he done things wrong before? Definitely; no human is perfect. But that isn't what people are arguing.


People have definitely been arguing that in this thread. Apparently even if the accusation were 100% true it's just normal American high school hijinks.

Not the way Iffy presented it they aren't.
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Postby Telconi » Sun Sep 16, 2018 2:38 pm

Fartsniffage wrote:
Proctopeo wrote:What.
That's literally nobody's argument. The argument is that this one specific accusation, which has unusually perfect timing, is incapable of standing on its own and should be disregarded until we receive actual evidence.
Has he done things wrong before? Definitely; no human is perfect. But that isn't what people are arguing.


People have definitely been arguing that in this thread. Apparently even if the accusation were 100% true it's just normal American high school hijinks.


Got some sauce for that?
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Postby Fartsniffage » Sun Sep 16, 2018 2:41 pm

Telconi wrote:
Fartsniffage wrote:
People have definitely been arguing that in this thread. Apparently even if the accusation were 100% true it's just normal American high school hijinks.


Got some sauce for that?


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Postby Telconi » Sun Sep 16, 2018 2:43 pm

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Telconi wrote:
Got some sauce for that?


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Me admitting that his actions aren't okay is me saying he's never done anything wrong ever?
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Postby Wallenburg » Sun Sep 16, 2018 2:45 pm

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Me admitting that his actions aren't okay is me saying he's never done anything wrong ever?

When they asked whether it is okay to do something like that, you literally said "sure it is".
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Postby Vassenor » Sun Sep 16, 2018 3:37 pm

Brett Kavanaugh’s High School Friend Isn’t Helping the Nominee’s Case

The alleged witness in the Kavanaugh case wrote a memoir about his own schoolboy days as black-out drunk
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Sun Sep 16, 2018 3:42 pm

Vassenor wrote:Brett Kavanaugh’s High School Friend Isn’t Helping the Nominee’s Case

The alleged witness in the Kavanaugh case wrote a memoir about his own schoolboy days as black-out drunk


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Postby Ifreann » Sun Sep 16, 2018 3:48 pm

Vassenor wrote:Brett Kavanaugh’s High School Friend Isn’t Helping the Nominee’s Case

The alleged witness in the Kavanaugh case wrote a memoir about his own schoolboy days as black-out drunk

Maybe the Supreme Court needs a black-out drunk.
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