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Do you support the confirmation of Justice Kavanaugh

Yes I support his confirmation allegations against him are likely false or insufficient evidence
108
45%
Yes I support his confirmation even though the allegations against him are likely true but they are just too old
1
0%
Yes I support his confirmation because of judicial philosophy regardless of the allegations being true or false
13
5%
No I am against his confirmation because the allegations are likely true
24
10%
No I am against his confirmation because of his judicial philosophy (pick this if both please)
92
39%
 
Total votes : 238

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Postby Telconi » Fri Sep 14, 2018 6:54 pm

Fartsniffage wrote:
Telconi wrote:
It's not really that it's fine, more that we can live with it.


As long as the criminality doesn't directly affect you, you're okay with the Don being in power?


Given the alternative, yes.
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Postby Fartsniffage » Fri Sep 14, 2018 6:59 pm

Telconi wrote:
Fartsniffage wrote:
As long as the criminality doesn't directly affect you, you're okay with the Don being in power?


Given the alternative, yes.


What do you have against Mike Pence?

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Postby Telconi » Fri Sep 14, 2018 7:01 pm

Fartsniffage wrote:
Telconi wrote:
Given the alternative, yes.


What do you have against Mike Pence?


Nothing, I actually like Pence significantly more than I like Trump.
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Fri Sep 14, 2018 7:02 pm

Albrenia wrote:I love how Trump supporters are fine with so many high-level people close to Trump being actual criminals as long as Russians aren't directly involved. :lol:


I feel like most Americans who aren't overly idealistic have accepted government corruption is a thing.
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Postby Fartsniffage » Fri Sep 14, 2018 7:03 pm

Telconi wrote:
Fartsniffage wrote:
What do you have against Mike Pence?


Nothing, I actually like Pence significantly more than I like Trump.


So you like the alternative more than Trump but are okay with all the criminality because you don't want the alternative?

Are you high?

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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Fri Sep 14, 2018 7:04 pm

Fartsniffage wrote:
Telconi wrote:
Nothing, I actually like Pence significantly more than I like Trump.


So you like the alternative more than Trump but are okay with all the criminality because you don't want the alternative?

Are you high?


The alternative being Democrats...
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Postby Telconi » Fri Sep 14, 2018 7:06 pm

Fartsniffage wrote:
Telconi wrote:
Nothing, I actually like Pence significantly more than I like Trump.


So you like the alternative more than Trump but are okay with all the criminality because you don't want the alternative?

Are you high?


Pence isn't the alternative to Trump.
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Postby Fartsniffage » Fri Sep 14, 2018 7:07 pm

Telconi wrote:
Fartsniffage wrote:
So you like the alternative more than Trump but are okay with all the criminality because you don't want the alternative?

Are you high?


Pence isn't the alternative to Trump.


Right now he is.

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Postby Telconi » Fri Sep 14, 2018 7:11 pm

Fartsniffage wrote:
Telconi wrote:
Pence isn't the alternative to Trump.


Right now he is.


No, disgraced not-going-to-get-elected Pence is the alternative to Trump. And that guy sounds pretty un-electable.
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Postby Ifreann » Fri Sep 14, 2018 7:11 pm

Fartsniffage wrote:
Ifreann wrote:WHO TOL-


I mean, haha, there are no buried guns.
>.>
<.<


*links to a song about Iffy's little Armalite*

You leave Alan alone.
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Postby Dahon » Fri Sep 14, 2018 7:13 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Albrenia wrote:I love how Trump supporters are fine with so many high-level people close to Trump being actual criminals as long as Russians aren't directly involved. :lol:


I feel like most Americans who aren't overly idealistic have accepted government corruption is a thing.


That is to your detriment, ultimately. The gradual acceptance of corruption by men in power leads in due time to the corrosion of institutions, and the loss of faith in those same institutions, something your vigilance -- given your country's relevance -- could've at least checked.

If as a conservative you had acted, instead of standing by and letting your back be scratched, que sera sera, a frankly reactionary and openly corrupt GOP that more-or-less tacitly doubts the merits of the same democracy its first standard-bearer strove to save (vis-à-vis Trump) never would've arisen.
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Postby Fartsniffage » Fri Sep 14, 2018 7:14 pm

Telconi wrote:
Fartsniffage wrote:
Right now he is.


No, disgraced not-going-to-get-elected Pence is the alternative to Trump. And that guy sounds pretty un-electable.


No need to elect him, he already got elected. All you need to do is stop supporting Trump and start supporting impeachment.

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Postby Telconi » Fri Sep 14, 2018 7:19 pm

Fartsniffage wrote:
Telconi wrote:
No, disgraced not-going-to-get-elected Pence is the alternative to Trump. And that guy sounds pretty un-electable.


No need to elect him, he already got elected. All you need to do is stop supporting Trump and start supporting impeachment.


Terms of office exist...
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Postby Ifreann » Fri Sep 14, 2018 7:21 pm

Telconi wrote:
Fartsniffage wrote:
No need to elect him, he already got elected. All you need to do is stop supporting Trump and start supporting impeachment.


Terms of office exist...

And the President can leave office before his term ends.
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Fri Sep 14, 2018 7:22 pm

Dahon wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
I feel like most Americans who aren't overly idealistic have accepted government corruption is a thing.


That is to your detriment, ultimately. The gradual acceptance of corruption by men in power leads in due time to the corrosion of institutions, and the loss of faith in those same institutions, something your vigilance -- given your country's relevance -- could've at least checked.

If as a conservative you had acted, instead of standing by and letting your back be scratched, que sera sera, a frankly reactionary and openly corrupt GOP that more-or-less tacitly doubts the merits of the same democracy its first standard-bearer strove to save (vis-à-vis Trump) never would've arisen.


Doing that would imply our democracy is worth saving though.
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Postby Fartsniffage » Fri Sep 14, 2018 7:22 pm

Telconi wrote:
Fartsniffage wrote:
No need to elect him, he already got elected. All you need to do is stop supporting Trump and start supporting impeachment.


Terms of office exist...


Well just as long as you can sleep at night supporting someone you don't like rather than working for the person you like more. :)

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Postby Ifreann » Fri Sep 14, 2018 7:23 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Dahon wrote:
That is to your detriment, ultimately. The gradual acceptance of corruption by men in power leads in due time to the corrosion of institutions, and the loss of faith in those same institutions, something your vigilance -- given your country's relevance -- could've at least checked.

If as a conservative you had acted, instead of standing by and letting your back be scratched, que sera sera, a frankly reactionary and openly corrupt GOP that more-or-less tacitly doubts the merits of the same democracy its first standard-bearer strove to save (vis-à-vis Trump) never would've arisen.


Doing that would imply our democracy is worth saving though.

Lots of wanna-be dictators don't like democracy.
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Fri Sep 14, 2018 7:26 pm

Ifreann wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Doing that would imply our democracy is worth saving though.

Lots of wanna-be dictators don't like democracy.


Also lots of people who don't like seeing it ruin their nation.
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Postby Telconi » Fri Sep 14, 2018 7:28 pm

Fartsniffage wrote:
Telconi wrote:
Terms of office exist...


Well just as long as you can sleep at night supporting someone you don't like rather than working for the person you like more. :)


I can't, but it isn't because of Trump.
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Postby Ifreann » Fri Sep 14, 2018 7:31 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Lots of wanna-be dictators don't like democracy.


Also lots of people who don't like seeing it ruin their nation.

Never heard of them.
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Postby Greed and Death » Fri Sep 14, 2018 7:32 pm

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The accusation of rape against Bill Clinton have more facts supporting them than this letter. For one the victim stepped forward and identified herself, the person who wrote this letter is anonymous. I am sorry but if she is unwilling to step into the light of day and be subject to cross examination I do not think we should ruin a man's job over it.


The timing was perfect to apparently

SURPRISE LOOK EVERYONE HES A RAPIST!!! IT"S NOT LIKE WE HAVN'T BEEN TRYING TO RAILROAD HIM FROM DAY ONE LOOK!!!


And of course Senator Feinstein alters the evidence so we have no way to verify this.
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Postby Fartsniffage » Fri Sep 14, 2018 7:33 pm

Telconi wrote:
Fartsniffage wrote:
Well just as long as you can sleep at night supporting someone you don't like rather than working for the person you like more. :)


I can't, but it isn't because of Trump.


....you okay?

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Postby Dahon » Fri Sep 14, 2018 7:34 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Dahon wrote:
That is to your detriment, ultimately. The gradual acceptance of corruption by men in power leads in due time to the corrosion of institutions, and the loss of faith in those same institutions, something your vigilance -- given your country's relevance -- could've at least checked.

If as a conservative you had acted, instead of standing by and letting your back be scratched, que sera sera, a frankly reactionary and openly corrupt GOP that more-or-less tacitly doubts the merits of the same democracy its first standard-bearer strove to save (vis-à-vis Trump) never would've arisen.


Doing that would imply our democracy is worth saving though.


It is. Your own contempt for it notwithstanding, American democracy has served you well, as have your ancestors (as long as they were within tacitly prescribed social limits, yes, but still). And again, I must raise the Russian roulette analogy (or just world history, but then Russian analogy is nothing else if not apt for this moment in history): if you think democracy is bad, try betting on a benevolent dictator and see if he doesn't shoot you dead in the end (or worse, make your life a living, interminable hell, compared to which death is but cold comfort).
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Postby Gig em Aggies » Fri Sep 14, 2018 7:56 pm

Not that it's related but she is outta here

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/texas ... ar-BBNlwyg
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“The reason that the Aggies does so well in wartime, is that war is chaos, and the Aggies practices chaos on a daily basis.”
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Postby Fartsniffage » Fri Sep 14, 2018 8:00 pm

Gig em Aggies wrote:Not that it's related but she is outta here

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/texas ... ar-BBNlwyg


Not sure why you would bring up Helen Keller in a thread about a SCOtUS thread.

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