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Mon Sep 17, 2018 7:33 amby Hakons
The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:Hakons wrote:I can get behind the social democracy, since that's a variant of Christian democracy. I'm not much of a fan of secularism, since it's pretty much a lite form of state enforced atheism. When the government enforces the religious "none" category, the people gradually adopt the "none" category. I do like the American constitutional system, especially when secularism and other modernist things hadn't been made "constitutional" yet (I know America has always had a secular government, but the modern conception of secularism is radical secularism).
Lol. "People being allowed to believe whatever they want is basically forcing atheism."
People are not allowed to believe whatever they want under secularism. Yes, secularism doesn't favor a religion, but it favors secularists. Secular philosophy is treated better than religious philosophy. Laws must use secular reasoning, since it is somehow better than religious reasoning. It gets even worse when education is factored. The education curriculum is state enforced, and the discussion of religion is practically forbidden in public schools. When schools teach secularism to children, it is unsurprising children become secular.
To some it up, secularism isn't particularly neutral. It clearly favors people who don't have a religion. I recall from a while back a thread about Turkey removing evolution from their school curriculum, and many of the posters were just losing their minds about it. It was pretty clear they were shocked that the secular view wasn't being given precedence. Secularism doesn't demand equality, it demands non-religious precedence.
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Mon Sep 17, 2018 7:35 amby Bakery Hill
Dark Socialism wrote:Bakery Hill wrote:Depending on how you categorise things
31% left (11% radical)
19% centre/moderate
30% right (12% radical)
(you can't do much with other which makes things less accurate)
The right are weaker than I expected tbh. If you count liberals as left like many do, the left goes out to 38%. At any rate this doesn't reflect the general culture. Many lurk.
There probably are some miscellaneous far-Righters that chose "other".
There probably are a lot of miscellaneous far lefters that chose other.
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Mon Sep 17, 2018 7:44 amby Hakons
Nettunia wrote:Hakons wrote:Christian-Communism is a bit of a paradox
Jesus basically. It is what the Catholic church preaches(without practicing it as it is a very questionable wealth grabbing monarchy).
Christ did not teach Communism. Communism is a human ideology from the 19th century that is entirely materialist. Christianity isn't materialist. Jesus does tell us to be charitable and help those in need, but Communism is neither of those. Christians are to freely give their possessions. Communism is about forcibly taking possessions and redistributing it. There is no charity in that. When Orthodox priests are throne into gulags and when Spanish Republicans murder Catholic Priests, it becomes clear that communism *might* be opposed to Christianity.
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Mon Sep 17, 2018 7:46 amby Kyrinasaj
-Ocelot- wrote:Eye-opening poll. NSG is slowly turning into a fascist hugbox.
>Fascist hugbox
>12%
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Mon Sep 17, 2018 7:51 amby Evil Dictators Happyland
Hakons wrote:Nettunia wrote:Jesus basically. It is what the Catholic church preaches(without practicing it as it is a very questionable wealth grabbing monarchy).
Christ did not teach Communism. Communism is a human ideology from the 19th century that is entirely materialist. Christianity isn't materialist. Jesus does tell us to be charitable and help those in need, but Communism is neither of those. Christians are to freely give their possessions. Communism is about forcibly taking possessions and redistributing it. There is no charity in that. When Orthodox priests are throne into gulags and when Spanish Republicans murder Catholic Priests, it becomes clear that communism *might* be opposed to Christianity.
Communists are to Christians what national socialists are to regular socialists.
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Mon Sep 17, 2018 7:52 amby Bakery Hill
Hakons wrote:Nettunia wrote:Jesus basically. It is what the Catholic church preaches(without practicing it as it is a very questionable wealth grabbing monarchy).
Christ did not teach Communism. Communism is a human ideology from the 19th century that is entirely materialist. Christianity isn't materialist. Jesus does tell us to be charitable and help those in need, but Communism is neither of those. Christians are to freely give their possessions. Communism is about forcibly taking possessions and redistributing it. There is no charity in that. When Orthodox priests are throne into gulags and when Spanish Republicans murder Catholic Priests, it becomes clear that communism *might* be opposed to Christianity.
Communism predates Marx as a term. It predates him much more as a system of values.
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Mon Sep 17, 2018 7:56 amby Nettunia
Of course if you take communism literally then Jesus isn't. But the poster I was responding to indicated a christian driven connotation of the concept, which would be the J approach to life imo.
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Mon Sep 17, 2018 7:58 amby Hakons
Bakery Hill wrote:Hakons wrote:Christ did not teach Communism. Communism is a human ideology from the 19th century that is entirely materialist. Christianity isn't materialist. Jesus does tell us to be charitable and help those in need, but Communism is neither of those. Christians are to freely give their possessions. Communism is about forcibly taking possessions and redistributing it. There is no charity in that. When Orthodox priests are throne into gulags and when Spanish Republicans murder Catholic Priests, it becomes clear that communism *might* be opposed to Christianity.
Communism predates Marx as a term. It predates him much more as a system of values.
Those values are still materialistic, and Christianity has never been materialistic. Idealistic communism is about creating a perfect society where wealth equable and is universally shared. Christianity is about creating a society that is centered around God and tries to live as He has told us. This includes sharing wealth, but it is also voluntary, and private property is respected. Pope Leo VIII's
Rerum Novarum is good at explaining this.
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Mon Sep 17, 2018 8:03 amby Bakery Hill
Hakons wrote:Bakery Hill wrote:Communism predates Marx as a term. It predates him much more as a system of values.
Those values are still materialistic, and Christianity has never been materialistic. Idealistic communism is about creating a perfect society where wealth equable and is universally shared. Christianity is about creating a society that is centered around God and tries to live as He has told us. This includes sharing wealth, but it is also voluntary, and private property is respected. Pope Leo VIII's
Rerum Novarum is good at explaining this.
No Marxism has a materialist understanding of the world. Communism wants a society where property is held communally without a class hierarchy or state. This is an ancient idea. Early communism was always religious, it's only after the enlightenment that these movements can separated from religion.
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Mon Sep 17, 2018 8:04 amby Evil Dictators Happyland
Hakons wrote:Bakery Hill wrote:Communism predates Marx as a term. It predates him much more as a system of values.
Those values are still materialistic, and Christianity has never been materialistic.
[citation needed]
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Mon Sep 17, 2018 9:18 amby Camboadica
I am financially conservative and socially liberal. I do not support any party 100%, because I don’t trust any party 100%.
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Mon Sep 17, 2018 9:28 amby Elysian Kentarchy
Pan-monarchist.
Evil Dictators Happyland wrote:Hakons wrote:Those values are still materialistic, and Christianity has never been materialistic.
[citation needed]
Complete misconstruing of what an indulgence is. That and the Catholic Church banned the sale of indulgences anyway.
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Mon Sep 17, 2018 9:33 amby Arcturus Novus
I'm an anarchist, I guess? I'm never sure nowadays, but that's the label that works best for now.
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Mon Sep 17, 2018 9:33 amby Kazarogkai
It's a bit complicated but to keep things simple I'm a fascist. That's what everyone else calls me anyhow.
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Mon Sep 17, 2018 9:35 amby Elysian Kentarchy
Kazarogkai wrote:It's a bit complicated but to keep things simple I'm a fascist. That's what everyone else calls me anyhow.
reads your sig...yeah that sounds complicated.
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Mon Sep 17, 2018 9:39 amby Morvan
I'm just your average stalin loving, red white and blue waving, kulak killing, Marxist-Leninist.
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Mon Sep 17, 2018 9:42 amby Ifreann
Kyrinasaj wrote:-Ocelot- wrote:Eye-opening poll. NSG is slowly turning into a fascist hugbox.
>Fascist hugbox
>12%
"slowly turning into"
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Mon Sep 17, 2018 10:11 amby Kyrinasaj
Ifreann wrote:Kyrinasaj wrote:>Fascist hugbox
>12%
"slowly turning into"
Almost feels like social democracy is passe
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Mon Sep 17, 2018 10:27 amby Thermodolia
Authoritarian Syndicalist Cultural Nationalist aka Stalin 2.0
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Mon Sep 17, 2018 10:48 amby Major-Tom
Thermodolia wrote:Authoritarian Syndicalist Cultural Nationalist aka Stalin 2.0
You've sure changed a lot since I first saw you round these parts.
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Mon Sep 17, 2018 10:50 amby Elysian Kentarchy
Kyrinasaj wrote:Ifreann wrote:"slowly turning into"
Almost feels like social democracy is passe
Oh it is, partying like it is 1933 is much more in vogue now.
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Mon Sep 17, 2018 10:55 amby Phoenicaea
I picked Liberal idea, since it may always be a good definition.
then I saw "centrist". perhaps you wish to say "mixture of different ideas" as Centrist. perhaps, you wish to say "Religious" as centrist.
also, there is lot of definitions in the options, and lots of "Other". perhaps someone struggles to see what they are about: it needs a pool with ideas briefly illustrated.
also, does American people still use Liberal to say social-democrat? I wouldn t think so, if yes, why?
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Mon Sep 17, 2018 10:57 amby Major-Tom
Kyrinasaj wrote:Ifreann wrote:"slowly turning into"
Almost feels like social democracy is passe
Social democracy hasn't even begun to peak.
I tell myself this, because in reality, social democracy is on decline 
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Mon Sep 17, 2018 11:01 amby Hammer Britannia
I am a Neo-Nazi, I believe in the superiority of the German race and the idea that the Germans shall take over the world.
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Mon Sep 17, 2018 11:03 amby Viksberg
I guess I would identify myself as a social democrat.