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by Page » Sat Sep 08, 2018 4:15 am
by Eglaecia » Sat Sep 08, 2018 4:23 am
Page wrote:I've read through this entire thread and I'm quite disturbed and mystified to see how many people identify with some sort of iteration of fascism, national socialism, totalitarianism, or authoritarianism in general.
Now, I know NationStates is not representative of the general population. There are a lot of teenagers here and teenagers tend to gravitate to whatever they consider edgy, and it's usually a phase, we're also in an era where there is a backlash toward liberalism since many people disillusioned with the neoliberal establishment (to be fair, they should be, neoliberalism is poisonous). I also have to consider that people with such ideas might be inherently more attracted to a nation simulator than others.
Still though, I wonder what it is that draws people to these ideologies.
by The Philippine Islands of Luzviminda » Sat Sep 08, 2018 4:29 am
Page wrote:I've read through this entire thread and I'm quite disturbed and mystified to see how many people identify with some sort of iteration of fascism, national socialism, totalitarianism, or authoritarianism in general.
Now, I know NationStates is not representative of the general population. There are a lot of teenagers here and teenagers tend to gravitate to whatever they consider edgy, and it's usually a phase, we're also in an era where there is a backlash toward liberalism since many people disillusioned with the neoliberal establishment (to be fair, they should be, neoliberalism is poisonous). I also have to consider that people with such ideas might be inherently more attracted to a nation simulator than others.
Still though, I wonder what it is that draws people to these ideologies.
by The Philippine Islands of Luzviminda » Sat Sep 08, 2018 4:30 am
by Smitzburg » Sat Sep 08, 2018 4:36 am
by Page » Sat Sep 08, 2018 4:36 am
The Philippine Islands of Luzviminda wrote:Btw I am a libertarian who believes in realpolitik if necessary.
by Philjia » Sat Sep 08, 2018 4:41 am
Nemesis the Warlock wrote:I am the Nemesis, I am the Warlock, I am the shape of things to come, the Lord of the Flies, holder of the Sword Sinister, the Death Bringer, I am the one who waits on the edge of your dreams, I am all these things and many more
by Joohan » Sat Sep 08, 2018 7:21 am
by Dark Socialism » Sat Sep 08, 2018 7:30 am
US-SSR wrote:Joohan wrote:I am not sure what my ideology is called. Perhaps someone has the right word?
I believe that Christianity is the foundation of society, and that all policy decisions and goals kept in mind by the nation should be in accordance with the teachings of Jesus and the church. I believe that an authoritarian executive ( not an absolute one however ), is necessary to ensure legislative efficiency and stop any political deadlock. I believe that the nation and the collective should be lauded above the individual. I believe that the economy should be thought of an organized as a tool for society - the state intervening when ever necessary on behalf of the nation. I believe that consumerism is a literal cancer which eats away at the health and beauty of the Earth, and should be removed to ensure the peace, security, and prosperity of future generations. I believe that human struggle and adventure are integral to a proper and well lived life. I believe that immigration should be used as a tool for the betterment of the nation, the same with trade. I despise political parties, and would mandate that every politician lead as independents if I could. I believe that citizenship should be earned, and that voting isn't for everyone.
what would you call this?Luminesa wrote:“These things I do not like are fascism!” Literally nothing he described goes with the traditional definition of fascism.
(emphasis added)
by Joohan » Sat Sep 08, 2018 7:30 am
Page wrote:I've read through this entire thread and I'm quite disturbed and mystified to see how many people identify with some sort of iteration of fascism, national socialism, totalitarianism, or authoritarianism in general.
Now, I know NationStates is not representative of the general population. There are a lot of teenagers here and teenagers tend to gravitate to whatever they consider edgy, and it's usually a phase, we're also in an era where there is a backlash toward liberalism since many people disillusioned with the neoliberal establishment (to be fair, they should be, neoliberalism is poisonous). I also have to consider that people with such ideas might be inherently more attracted to a nation simulator than others.
Still though, I wonder what it is that draws people to these ideologies.
by Joohan » Sat Sep 08, 2018 7:31 am
by San Carlos Islands » Sat Sep 08, 2018 7:36 am
by Page » Sat Sep 08, 2018 7:39 am
Joohan wrote:Page wrote:I've read through this entire thread and I'm quite disturbed and mystified to see how many people identify with some sort of iteration of fascism, national socialism, totalitarianism, or authoritarianism in general.
Now, I know NationStates is not representative of the general population. There are a lot of teenagers here and teenagers tend to gravitate to whatever they consider edgy, and it's usually a phase, we're also in an era where there is a backlash toward liberalism since many people disillusioned with the neoliberal establishment (to be fair, they should be, neoliberalism is poisonous). I also have to consider that people with such ideas might be inherently more attracted to a nation simulator than others.
Still though, I wonder what it is that draws people to these ideologies.
We live in a liberal world order, one which emphasizes hedonism, individualism, and consumerism. Because of this, many of the nuances which used to affect the daily lives our ancestors have been seriously mitigated: faith, nationalism, spirituality, etc. Every great cultural revolution begins as a rejection of the current and predominent culture for it's opposite. The hippies rejected their straight-lace and conservative parents for a life of free love, free drugs, and living free. We ( the millennial's and Gen z ) reject the meaningless hyper individualism of our parents in exchange for religious and national solidarity.
I welcome the change.
by Joohan » Sat Sep 08, 2018 7:48 am
Page wrote:Joohan wrote:
We live in a liberal world order, one which emphasizes hedonism, individualism, and consumerism. Because of this, many of the nuances which used to affect the daily lives our ancestors have been seriously mitigated: faith, nationalism, spirituality, etc. Every great cultural revolution begins as a rejection of the current and predominent culture for it's opposite. The hippies rejected their straight-lace and conservative parents for a life of free love, free drugs, and living free. We ( the millennial's and Gen z ) reject the meaningless hyper individualism of our parents in exchange for religious and national solidarity.
I welcome the change.
Conservatives are not the majority among MIllenials, and while there are some polls showing that Gen Z may be more conservative than the Millenials, Gen Z is nonetheless even less religious. Check out the polls, you'll see that religion is still eroding. I've seen quite a few young people rejecting the liberal ideologies usually associated with atheists, but they don't become believers. A lot of them are Jordan Peterson fans, atheists who swoon over them despite the fact that he has repeatedly insulted them.
by Wawakanatote » Sat Sep 08, 2018 7:52 am
OOC Factbook
Pro: Marxism-Leninism
Anti: Capitalism, Fascism
We do not exist under communism, but under the
primary stage of socialist development (nep/state capitalism)
Please adjust accordingly
Full Nation Name: Supranational Union of Socialist Republics
Government: Federal Intergovernmental P&E Union
Political Leaders: C.Song Liyuan, V.C.Lev Bronshtein
National Anthem: "Hymn of the Union"
by Joohan » Sat Sep 08, 2018 8:14 am
Wawakanatote wrote:Imagine unironically using the terms "totalitarian" and "statist" when describing political groups.
by Oil exporting People » Sat Sep 08, 2018 8:59 am
by Constitutional Technocracy of Minecraft » Sat Sep 08, 2018 9:05 am
Joohan wrote:Page wrote:I've read through this entire thread and I'm quite disturbed and mystified to see how many people identify with some sort of iteration of fascism, national socialism, totalitarianism, or authoritarianism in general.
Now, I know NationStates is not representative of the general population. There are a lot of teenagers here and teenagers tend to gravitate to whatever they consider edgy, and it's usually a phase, we're also in an era where there is a backlash toward liberalism since many people disillusioned with the neoliberal establishment (to be fair, they should be, neoliberalism is poisonous). I also have to consider that people with such ideas might be inherently more attracted to a nation simulator than others.
Still though, I wonder what it is that draws people to these ideologies.
We live in a liberal world order, one which emphasizes hedonism, individualism, and consumerism. Because of this, many of the nuances which used to affect the daily lives our ancestors have been seriously mitigated: faith, nationalism, spirituality, etc. Every great cultural revolution begins as a rejection of the current and predominent culture for it's opposite. The hippies rejected their straight-lace and conservative parents for a life of free love, free drugs, and living free. We ( the millennial's and Gen z ) reject the meaningless hyper individualism of our parents in exchange for religious and national solidarity.
I welcome the change.
by The Huskar Social Union » Sat Sep 08, 2018 9:08 am
by Dark Socialism » Sat Sep 08, 2018 9:08 am
by New Wrepland » Sat Sep 08, 2018 9:09 am
Joohan wrote:Wawakanatote wrote:Imagine unironically using the terms "totalitarian" and "statist" when describing political groups.
I always hated the negative connotations surrounding a lot of adjectives - such as totalitarianism. People tend to think it synonomous with tyranny, which it isn't. It is possible to have a benign totalitarian state.
Off topic, I know, but just one of my frustrations with the English language.
by New Wrepland » Sat Sep 08, 2018 9:13 am
by Constitutional Technocracy of Minecraft » Sat Sep 08, 2018 9:13 am
Joohan wrote:Wawakanatote wrote:Imagine unironically using the terms "totalitarian" and "statist" when describing political groups.
I always hated the negative connotations surrounding a lot of adjectives - such as totalitarianism. People tend to think it synonomous with tyranny, which it isn't. It is possible to have a benign totalitarian state.
Off topic, I know, but just one of my frustrations with the English language.
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