What political ideology do you identify as?

[Olthar]

I don't do labels. /hipster

[Proletarian Republic of Americanada]

Strasserite national socialist.

Not bad, but I see strasserism as a bit good enough but neo-nazi when it turns 180 degree.

As to being national socialist I also mean I am an authentic nationalist MINUS identitarian, and an authentic socialist MINUS globalist. Identitarianism is like defunct organs, globalism is like antibodies. Identitarianism, which calls itself 'nationalist', seeks to drain life by dividing people against each other; globalism is passive submission to the enemy, including foreign intervention. Asides being a Juche, I also lean towards Khomeinism, Rexism, Brazilian Integralism and IngSoc, and also I believe western countries need to be de-westernized by modern social revolutions, as in Gothicka.

Strasserism was the socialist current of the NSDAP. That's he was purged in the night of the long knives. The Strasserite version of socialism actually rejected capitalism and it's "exploitation of the economically weak" although it rejected Marxism and was admittedly very anti-semetic. This is why the Strasserites were purged in the Night of the Long Knives.

Hitler was inspired by Mussolini's fascist government and although he called himself "national socialist" it was a type of socialism completely removed from any contemporary idea of socialism. The quote "exploitation of the economically weak" is sometimes falsely attributed to Hitler but he never said it. It was Gregor Strasser who said it.

Hitler about socialism said "At the founding of this Movement we formed the decision that we would give expression to this idea of ours of the identity of the two conceptions: despite all warnings, on the basis of what we had come to believe, on the basis of the sincerity of our will, we christened it "National Socialist.' We said to ourselves that to be 'national' means above everything to act with a boundless and all-embracing love for the people and, if necessary, even to die for it. And similarly to be 'social' means so to build up the state and the community of the people that every individual acts in the interest of the community of the people and must be to such an extent convinced of the goodness, of the honorable straightforwardness of this community of the people as to be ready to die for it."

His version of "socialism" was not connected to Marxist socialism, which he rejected and called it "anti-property." To Hitler socialism was about national unity and he thought capitalists should work for the nation instead of personal gain. This is clear in his policies too where the government worked closely with corporations, many of them still existing today. The term "privatization" also comes from Hitler's policies.

So given all that tell me what "socialism" means to you and why you call yourself a "national socialist" while rejecting Strasser. The conclusion I would normally gain from that is that you support the policies of the Nazi party after purging Strasserites from the party.

[Victoria I Penetravir]

the difference between Sunni and Shi'a Islam is that Abu Bakr and Aisha's claims to the Khilafa were all based on democracy.

A'isha (RA) never claimed Caliphate, she couldn't. And the Sunni/Shi'a division isn't over democracy.

Consider the power struggles between Abu Bakr and Ali after Muhammad - peace be unto him - was poisoned. Which one of them won? Ali was directly appointed by Muhammad - peace be unto him - to be his successor.

Not bad, but I see strasserism as a bit good enough but neo-nazi when it turns 180 degree.

As to being national socialist I also mean I am an authentic nationalist MINUS identitarian, and an authentic socialist MINUS globalist. Identitarianism is like defunct organs, globalism is like antibodies. Identitarianism, which calls itself 'nationalist', seeks to drain life by dividing people against each other; globalism is passive submission to the enemy, including foreign intervention. Asides being a Juche, I also lean towards Khomeinism, Rexism, Brazilian Integralism and IngSoc, and also I believe western countries need to be de-westernized by modern social revolutions, as in Gothicka.

Also Strasserism was the socialist current of the NSDAP. That's he was purged in the night of the long knives. The Strasserite version of socialism actually rejected capitalism and it's "exploitation of the economically weak" although it rejected Marxism and was admittedly very anti-semetic. This is why the Strasserites were purged in the Night of the Long Knives.

Hitler was inspired by Mussolini's fascist government and although he called himself "national socialist" it was a type of socialism completely removed from any contemporary idea of socialism. The quote "exploitation of the economically weak" is sometimes falsely attributed to Hitler but he never said it. It was Gregor Strasser who said it.

Hitler about socialism said "At the founding of this Movement we formed the decision that we would give expression to this idea of ours of the identity of the two conceptions: despite all warnings, on the basis of what we had come to believe, on the basis of the sincerity of our will, we christened it "National Socialist.' We said to ourselves that to be 'national' means above everything to act with a boundless and all-embracing love for the people and, if necessary, even to die for it. And similarly to be 'social' means so to build up the state and the community of the people that every individual acts in the interest of the community of the people and must be to such an extent convinced of the goodness, of the honorable straightforwardness of this community of the people as to be ready to die for it."

His version of "socialism" was not connected to Marxist socialism, which he rejected and called it "anti-property." To Hitler socialism was about national unity and he thought capitalists should work for the nation instead of personal gain. This is clear in his policies too where the government worked closely with corporations, many of them still existing today. The term "privatization" also comes from Hitler's policies.

So you think the Fuhrer is more sympathetic with capitalists than socialists? For fairness, he did not favor one economic group against another. His ideals were based on merit. How come he favored one group against another?

I don't do labels. /hipster

Apoliticals are insane.

[Kubumba Tribe]

A'isha (RA) never claimed Caliphate, she couldn't. And the Sunni/Shi'a division isn't over democracy.

Consider the power struggles between Abu Bakr and Ali after Muhammad - peace be unto him - was poisoned. Which one of them won? Ali was directly appointed by Muhammad - peace be unto him - to be his successor.

1: Prophet Muhammad SAWS wasn't poisoned, he died of natural causes.
2: Are you Shi'a?

[Tretiy Rim]

I am not, in fact, a neo-Nazi, or a white nationalist.

I got that from your previous post. You're a 'true' Nazi, adhering to the traditional belief in German Supremacism instead of the revisionist White "Nationalism" espoused by today's pseudo-Nazis. I can at the very least commend you for sticking with the traditional views of your ideology instead of trying rewrite them to fit some narrative, even if I loathe Nazis with a burning passion.

National Socialism is not similar to communism on account of the end means;

I never said it was? It's not similar to communism at all, I was referring to Juche and IngSoc - pseudo-Socialists.

absolute monarchy has nothing to do with right-wing theocracy (i.e., the priests, like the Brahmins of the Hindu caste system),

Monarchy and Theocracy are outdated anyway. Hence why I'm a Clerical Fascist - a successor to both systems, but with a better implementation.

and the difference between Sunni and Shi'a Islam is that Abu Bakr and Aisha's claims to the Khilafa were all based on democracy.

>Democracy
>Islam

Lol, good one. I never asked for the distinction between Islamic sects, though.

Only politically-correct leftists. Occupy Wall Street activists need to be corrected the fatal mistakes than Tea Party activists.

Wait, you support the Left? What kind of Nazi are you? Not a very good one apparently, because you have Marx rolling in his grave.

[Proletarian Republic of Americanada]

-snip-

Hitler did not want to replace capitalist ownership of the means of production with worker ownership. This is hardly socialist from a Marxist perspective. I just want to know what you mean by "national socialist" and if it is connected to the Nazi party in any way.

[Victoria I Penetravir]

I am not, in fact, a neo-Nazi, or a white nationalist.

I got that from your previous post. You're a 'true' Nazi, adhering to the traditional belief in German Supremacism instead of the revisionist White "Nationalism" espoused by today's pseudo-Nazis. I can at the very least commend you for sticking with the traditional views of your ideology instead of trying rewrite them to fit some narrative, even if I loathe Nazis with a burning passion.

German supremacism? Do you mean racial idealism?

I never said it was? It's not similar to communism at all, I was referring to Juche and IngSoc - pseudo-Socialists.

I supported North Korea and China in the anti-American war, unlike the Duginist side of me in my past. As to being an IngSoc, I behave very IngSoc-ally towards my rightist peers.

Monarchy and Theocracy are outdated anyway. Hence why I'm a Clerical Fascist - a successor to both systems, but with a better implementation.

Monarchy and theocracy could be essential when the people are told to follow their leader.

>Democracy
>Islam

Lol, good one. I never asked for the distinction between Islamic sects, though.

That's where you're mistaken.

Wait, you support the Left? What kind of Nazi are you? Not a very good one apparently, because you have Marx rolling in his grave.

Read articles from Aryanism.net. I am a National Socialist, nothing else.

Hitler did not want to replace capitalist ownership of the means of production with worker ownership. This is hardly socialist from a Marxist perspective. I just want to know what you mean by "national socialist" and if it is connected to the Nazi party in any way.

According to an article from Aryanism.net, "National Socialism perceives injustice perpetrated against all. At the most fundamental level, just by being born, every one of us is automatically and for the entire duration of our lives a perpetual and constant victim of injustice, because none of us chose to be born." That means by National Socialism, it's a militant successor to Gnostic Catharism which believes that non-democratic states control population to facilitate the folk purpose. And National Socialism is a political economic theory based on the belief that production is valuable only as a means and only in quantity sufficiency.

[Kubumba Tribe]

>Democracy
>Islam

Lol, good one.

Well, voting in the Khalifah (aka bay'ah), that's in common with democracy.

[Victoria I Penetravir]

>Democracy
>Islam

Lol, good one.

Well, voting in the Khalifah (aka bay'ah), that's in common with democracy.

That's an explicitly Sunni idea.

[Proletarian Republic of Americanada]

IngSoc because my ideal government must be repressive towards all rightists, especially the alt-right, far-right and new-right. If they rebel out of contempt and egocentricity, I'd like to show how repressive my ideal government should be towards them.

IngSoc comes from a book written by a self described socialist and it's meant to be a dystopia. And it doesn't even mention the "right" in the book. The people who it represses are those that dissent to their absolute rule. Ideologies and political thought are basically nonexistent for the general populace who are not allowed knowledge of anything outside the government line. It hardly represents a society where workers own the means of production or even a society that wants to transition toward that. Also in the book the main character got a government position because he stole food from his family which is basically a microcosm of their system. So the book is a little cliche to make a system with that degree of evil, but I never knew anyone actually found that appealing.

[Victoria I Penetravir]

IngSoc because my ideal government must be repressive towards all rightists, especially the alt-right, far-right and new-right. If they rebel out of contempt and egocentricity, I'd like to show how repressive my ideal government should be towards them.

IngSoc comes from a book written by a self described socialist and it's meant to be a dystopia. And it doesn't even mention the "right" in the book. The people who it represses are those that dissent to their absolute rule. Ideologies and political thought are basically nonexistent for the general populace who are not allowed knowledge of anything outside the government line. It hardly represents a society where workers own the means of production or even a society that wants to transition toward that. Also in the book the main character got a government position because he stole food from his family which is basically a microcosm of their system. So the book is a little cliche to make a system with that degree of evil, but I never knew anyone actually found that appealing.

Alright, I am now aware. But do you know IngSoc has something to do with the family construct? The authoritarian family is comparable to the authoritarian paternalistic state, which an ideal National Socialist government does not embody.

[Proletarian Republic of Americanada]

IngSoc comes from a book written by a self described socialist and it's meant to be a dystopia. And it doesn't even mention the "right" in the book. The people who it represses are those that dissent to their absolute rule. Ideologies and political thought are basically nonexistent for the general populace who are not allowed knowledge of anything outside the government line. It hardly represents a society where workers own the means of production or even a society that wants to transition toward that. Also in the book the main character got a government position because he stole food from his family which is basically a microcosm of their system. So the book is a little cliche to make a system with that degree of evil, but I never knew anyone actually found that appealing.

Alright, I am now aware. But do you know IngSoc has something to do with the family construct?

What do you mean?

[Victoria I Penetravir]

Alright, I am now aware. But do you know IngSoc has something to do with the family construct?

What do you mean?

The family as the building block of society. A miniature version of a paternalistic/maternalistic dictatorship.

[Tretiy Rim]

German supremacism? Do you mean racial idealism?

Call it whatever you want, it was basically just German Supremacism. Teutons (and Scandinavians, Anglos, and for some reason, Celts and Croats - which makes no sense) were the master race and everybody else existed simply to serve or die. Sounds like German Supremacism to me.

I supported North Korea and China in the anti-American war, unlike the Duginist side of me in my past. As to being an IngSoc, I behave very IngSoc-ally towards my rightist peers.

A Nazi supporting Maoists and Marxist-Leninists... I'm starting to think you don't know what you're talking about.

Monarchy and theocracy could be essential when the people are told to follow their leader.

That makes no sense at all.

That's where you're mistaken.

Islam is about as compatible with Democracy as Autarky is with Globalism.

Read articles from Aryanism.net.

Nyet.

I am a National Socialist, nothing else.

Pretty sure you aren't.

[Tretiy Rim]

>Democracy
>Islam

Lol, good one.

Well, voting in the Khalifah (aka bay'ah), that's in common with democracy.

Democracy is more than just voting, but okay.

Also in the book the main character got a government position because he stole food from his family which is basically a microcosm of their system.

I don't remember that part...?

[Victoria I Penetravir]

German supremacism? Do you mean racial idealism?

Call it whatever you want, it was basically just German Supremacism. Teutons (and Scandinavians, Anglos, and for some reason, Celts and Croats - which makes no sense) were the master race and everybody else existed simply to serve or die. Sounds like German Supremacism to me.

Racist. Eurocentrism is to me is identitarianism just as humanism is to globalism.

A Nazi supporting Maoists and Marxist-Leninists... I'm starting to think you don't know what you're talking about.

This is the 21st century, millennial. National Socialist Germany fought against the racism of his time, especially Anglosphere, which was more racist than Germany in Fuhrer's time.

That makes no sense at all.

What makes no sense is that the people are above the leader. A king's job is to lead, he is not subordinate to the whims of the people.

Islam is about as compatible with Democracy as Autarky is with Globalism.

How is Islam democratic? Is it because you did not differentiate between early Islam and Islamic fundamentalism?

[Kubumba Tribe]

Well, voting in the Khalifah (aka bay'ah), that's in common with democracy.

Democracy is more than just voting, but okay.

I know

[Proletarian Republic of Americanada]

What do you mean?

The family as the building block of society. A miniature version of a paternalistic/maternalistic dictatorship.

Don't call yourself a socialist then. The end goal of socialism, communism, is founded on the idea of individualism. The idea of workers owning the means of production relates to their individual freedom which capitalism suppresses. The reason why socialist organizations and governments seem collectivist in nature is because their goal for the time being is to unite the workers against the system that allows a capitalist to extract a part of the value they create and accumulate for capital for themselves. In a post-scarcity society where the conditions exist for communism the state will be unnecessary as a system for imposing class rule (in socialism dictatorship of the proletariat or worker's rule) because the proletariat will be the entire society.

[Victoria I Penetravir]

Democracy is more than just voting, but okay.

Want to know what's more than just voting?

[Joohan]

I am not sure what my ideology is called. Perhaps someone has the right word?

I believe that Christianity is the foundation of society, and that all policy decisions and goals kept in mind by the nation should be in accordance with the teachings of Jesus and the church. I believe that an authoritarian executive ( not an absolute one however ), is necessary to ensure legislative efficiency and stop any political deadlock. I believe that the nation and the collective should be lauded above the individual. I believe that the economy should be thought of an organized as a tool for society - the state intervening when ever necessary on behalf of the nation. I believe that consumerism is a literal cancer which eats away at the health and beauty of the Earth, and should be removed to ensure the peace, security, and prosperity of future generations. I believe that human struggle and adventure are integral to a proper and well lived life. I believe that immigration should be used as a tool for the betterment of the nation, the same with trade. I despise political parties, and would mandate that every politician lead as independents if I could. I believe that citizenship should be earned, and that voting isn't for everyone.

what would you call this?

[Proletarian Republic of Americanada]

Well, voting in the Khalifah (aka bay'ah), that's in common with democracy.

Democracy is more than just voting, but okay.

Also in the book the main character got a government position because he stole food from his family which is basically a microcosm of their system.

I don't remember that part...?

I can't find a quote from the book but this addresses it. (https://www.enotes.com/homework-help/19 ... ton-161571)

[Victoria I Penetravir]

The end goal of socialism, communism, is founded on the idea of individualism. The idea of workers owning the means of production relates to their individual freedom which capitalism suppresses. The reason why socialist organizations and governments seem collectivist in nature is because their goal for the time being is to unite the workers against the system that allows a capitalist to extract a part of the value they create and accumulate for capital for themselves. In a post-scarcity society where the conditions exist for communism the state will be unnecessary as a system for imposing class rule (in socialism dictatorship of the proletariat or worker's rule) because the proletariat will be the entire society.

"Capitalists merely distrust the ability of communism to deliver on its material objectives; we despise communism for being devoid of spiritual objectives."
- Aryanism.net, National Socialism and Communism

Yes, you may say socialism delivers material objectives, but my definition of socialism is more than just proletarian struggle: it is self-sacrifice as opposed to Marxian theories.

[Kubumba Tribe]

I am not sure what my ideology is called. Perhaps someone has the right word?

I believe that Christianity is the foundation of society, and that all policy decisions and goals kept in mind by the nation should be in accordance with the teachings of Jesus and the church. I believe that an authoritarian executive ( not an absolute one however ), is necessary to ensure legislative efficiency and stop any political deadlock. I believe that the nation and the collective should be lauded above the individual. I believe that the economy should be thought of an organized as a tool for society - the state intervening when ever necessary on behalf of the nation. I believe that consumerism is a literal cancer which eats away at the health and beauty of the Earth, and should be removed to ensure the peace, security, and prosperity of future generations. I believe that human struggle and adventure are integral to a proper and well lived life. I believe that immigration should be used as a tool for the betterment of the nation, the same with trade. I despise political parties, and would mandate that every politician lead as independents if I could. I believe that citizenship should be earned, and that voting isn't for everyone.

what would you call this?

Idk, Christian monarchy? But why shouldn't everyone vote and what do you mean by citizenship being earned?

[Proletarian Republic of Americanada]

The end goal of socialism, communism, is founded on the idea of individualism. The idea of workers owning the means of production relates to their individual freedom which capitalism suppresses. The reason why socialist organizations and governments seem collectivist in nature is because their goal for the time being is to unite the workers against the system that allows a capitalist to extract a part of the value they create and accumulate for capital for themselves. In a post-scarcity society where the conditions exist for communism the state will be unnecessary as a system for imposing class rule (in socialism dictatorship of the proletariat or worker's rule) because the proletariat will be the entire society.

"Capitalists merely distrust the ability of communism to deliver on its material objectives; we despise communism for being devoid of spiritual objectives."
- Aryanism.net, National Socialism and Communism

Communists acknowledge that the conditions for communism do not exist yet which is why every communist government has called itself "socialist." As for spiritual objectives I don't quite know what you mean. Religious objectives?

[Tretiy Rim]

Racist. Eurocentrism is to me is identitarianism just as humanism is to globalism.

Uh yeah, Supremacism is racist. That's kinda the point? The Nazis never hid the fact they were racist bastards, and I don't see how Eurocentrism, Identitarianism, Humanism, or Globalism figure into this?

This is the 21st century, millennial.

I prefer "edgelady", thanks.

National Socialist Germany fought against the racism of his time, especially Anglosphere, which was more racist than Germany in Fuhrer's time.

I fail to see how racial segregation is worse than literally gassing entire ethnic groups, but sure, those evil Anglos were the bigger racists.

What makes no sense is that the people are above the leader. A king's job is to lead, he is not subordinate to the whims of the people.

The state should serve the nation, and in turn the nation should serve the state. That is the ideal relationship between the two as espoused by Fascismo.

How is Islam democratic? Is it because you did not differentiate between early Islam and Islamic fundamentalism?

wut

I was saying it wasn't democratic.