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How do you identify politically?

Anarchist
34
5%
Communist
46
7%
Socialist
58
9%
Social Democrat
79
12%
Liberal
60
9%
Centrist
69
11%
Conservative
117
18%
Fascist
44
7%
National Socialist
18
3%
Other
121
19%
 
Total votes : 646

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MERIZoC
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Posts: 23694
Founded: Dec 05, 2013
Left-wing Utopia

Postby MERIZoC » Wed Sep 05, 2018 9:30 pm

The Union of the West wrote:Forward-thinking traditionalist conservative. Enlightened absolutist in governance. State capitalist in economics. Generally libertarian on social issues. Futurist on science and technology.

niBBa what

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The Union of the West
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Ex-Nation

Postby The Union of the West » Wed Sep 05, 2018 9:32 pm

MERIZoC wrote:
The Union of the West wrote:Forward-thinking traditionalist conservative. Enlightened absolutist in governance. State capitalist in economics. Generally libertarian on social issues. Futurist on science and technology.

niBBa what

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The Xenopolis Confederation
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Founded: Aug 11, 2017
Anarchy

Postby The Xenopolis Confederation » Wed Sep 05, 2018 9:36 pm

Dark Socialism wrote:I don't know the name of my ideology
Economics:
Can't decide, usually favor statism and syndicalism or anything that promotes communitarianism.
Political organization:
I think that the monarch (Traniborus) should be elected by a state senate (Syfogranti) using Hegelian dialectic on who should run the ethnostate. The Syfogranti system would be theocratic and Technocratic, the most willed and most intelligent white men would elect candidates that are chosen by the previous Syfogranti.
Social:
As far right as you can get
Militarism, hyper-masculinity, austerity, reaction, conservative despotism, evolanism, tribalism and slavery. My social views are comparable to ancient swamp tribes and the Taliban, Mysticism and violence should trump reason, collective victory over "the other" would be the absolute drive of society even if there is no "other" and it's against demons or something.
Also abolish cities.

This is the Fluorine of ideologies.
Pro: Liberty, Liberalism, Capitalism, Secularism, Equal opportunity, Democracy, Windows Chauvinism, Deontology, Progressive Rock, LGBT+ Rights, Live and let live tbh.
Against: Authoritarianism, Traditionalism, State Socialism, Laissez-Faire Capitalism, Autocracy, (A)Theocracy, Apple, "The ends justify the means," Collectivism in all its forms.
Nationality: Australian
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Political Ideology: If "milktoast liberalism" had a baby with "bleeding-heart libertarianism."
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The Xenopolis Confederation
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Posts: 9482
Founded: Aug 11, 2017
Anarchy

Postby The Xenopolis Confederation » Wed Sep 05, 2018 9:36 pm

Internationalist Bastard wrote:
Victoria I Penetravir wrote:I do not hate Jews because they are of Semitic origin, I despise their character, their hostility to society, their apathy and their indifference. No, I am not a white supremacist. White Supremacists/ Nationalists apply the Talmud to themselves because Zionists are unafraid of White Nationalism.

For you what is National Socialism all about? Racism? Homophobia? Sexism? Identitarianism under the cover of Nationalism? No, National Socialism is, according to the site's glossary, "based on the belief that production is valuable only as a means and only in quantity sufficient to facilitate the folk purpose." No, it has nothing to do with racism, Zionist Allies after World War II twisted by wartime propaganda to demonize National Socialist Germany and accompanying selective confessions elicted via deception and duress during the Nuremburg Trials, which became the official version of that ideology for the Allies, whom far-rightists believe.

The only people who twisted National Socialism was the Nazis

Damn Nazis, they ruined Nazism!
Pro: Liberty, Liberalism, Capitalism, Secularism, Equal opportunity, Democracy, Windows Chauvinism, Deontology, Progressive Rock, LGBT+ Rights, Live and let live tbh.
Against: Authoritarianism, Traditionalism, State Socialism, Laissez-Faire Capitalism, Autocracy, (A)Theocracy, Apple, "The ends justify the means," Collectivism in all its forms.
Nationality: Australian
Gender: MTF trans woman (she/her)
Political Ideology: If "milktoast liberalism" had a baby with "bleeding-heart libertarianism."
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Kubumba Tribe
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Founded: Apr 09, 2015
Ex-Nation

Postby Kubumba Tribe » Wed Sep 05, 2018 9:37 pm

MERIZoC wrote:
The Union of the West wrote:Forward-thinking traditionalist conservative. Enlightened absolutist in governance. State capitalist in economics. Generally libertarian on social issues. Futurist on science and technology.

niBBa what

Another discord user, eh? ;)
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Anti: US gov--West gov--Capitalism--Imperialism/Colonialism--Racism/White Supremacy--Secularism getting into everything--Western 'intervention' in the East--Zionism--etc.
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Proletarian Republic of Americanada
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Founded: Aug 28, 2018
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Postby Proletarian Republic of Americanada » Wed Sep 05, 2018 9:38 pm

I agree with Marx's analysis of capitalism: exploitation of surplus value, alienation, and so on. The thing I'm figuring out is what capitalism should be replaced with and how to put the means of production in the hands of the workers in practice. I think I'll need to do a bit of reading before I make up my mind. I've read Wage Labor and Capital and now I'm reading the State and Revolution by Lenin and some articles by Daniel de Leon. After that I'll read some Rosa Luxembourg and see where I go from there.
Pro: Industrial Unionism, Democratic Centralism, Marxism, de Leonism, Socialism, Communism, Revolution
Neutral: Social Democracy, Democratic Socialism, Marxism Leninism, Reformism
Against: Racial Supremacism, Fascism, Nazism, Conservatism, Liberalism, Liberal Democracy, Libertarianism, Anarchism

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The Xenopolis Confederation
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Founded: Aug 11, 2017
Anarchy

Postby The Xenopolis Confederation » Wed Sep 05, 2018 9:38 pm

Mardla wrote:
The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:Romans 13 is retarded, especially in the context of being persecuted by the Roman government, and should thusly be disregarded.

Hot take.

"Y'know those guys who killed Jesus, and are prosecuting you and have banned our religion? They're fine and you should obey them." Is the real hot take.
Pro: Liberty, Liberalism, Capitalism, Secularism, Equal opportunity, Democracy, Windows Chauvinism, Deontology, Progressive Rock, LGBT+ Rights, Live and let live tbh.
Against: Authoritarianism, Traditionalism, State Socialism, Laissez-Faire Capitalism, Autocracy, (A)Theocracy, Apple, "The ends justify the means," Collectivism in all its forms.
Nationality: Australian
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Political Ideology: If "milktoast liberalism" had a baby with "bleeding-heart libertarianism."
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Soyuz Mladorrosov
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Posts: 147
Founded: Sep 02, 2018
Ex-Nation

Postby Soyuz Mladorrosov » Wed Sep 05, 2018 9:42 pm

The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:"Y'know those guys who killed Jesus, and are prosecuting you and have banned our religion? They're fine and you should obey them." Is the real hot take.

I've always interpreted Romans 13 as a caution against violent resistance to the state, but Paul is pretty adamant that the State is God's minister and that laws be followed and taxes be paid. I haven't read the context of Romans 13 in a while, does it actually state explicitly that the government in question is in Rome?
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Mardla
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Ex-Nation

Postby Mardla » Wed Sep 05, 2018 9:44 pm

Arlenton wrote:
Mardla wrote:How do you expect to pay for this "powerful military interventionism" while having low taxes? Do you consider a balanced budget too fuddy-duddy for "neo" conservatism?

Cut non-military stuff. Most other stuff aside from the Military and disaster relief I prefer to be left with the states.

iirc most of the discretionary budget goes to military, and "powerful military interventionism" would only increase that.
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Proletarian Republic of Americanada
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Founded: Aug 28, 2018
Ex-Nation

Postby Proletarian Republic of Americanada » Wed Sep 05, 2018 9:47 pm

Soyuz Mladorrosov wrote:
Trollzyn the Infinite wrote:Not quite. NazBols are actually just racist Stalinists.

No, no, no, no, no. They're currently cooperating with Gary Kasparov's United Civil Front against Putin, and have declared their own opposition to racism, anti-semitism and the like.
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Where does the "naz" part of nazbol come from?
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Neutral: Social Democracy, Democratic Socialism, Marxism Leninism, Reformism
Against: Racial Supremacism, Fascism, Nazism, Conservatism, Liberalism, Liberal Democracy, Libertarianism, Anarchism

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A Cornstar
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Posts: 119
Founded: Jul 13, 2017
Authoritarian Democracy

Postby A Cornstar » Wed Sep 05, 2018 9:48 pm

Pan-Celtic Nationalist, Traditionalist, Platonic Republican.
Romano-Celtic Americans, Vercingetorix was a martyr tho
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Soyuz Mladorrosov
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Founded: Sep 02, 2018
Ex-Nation

Postby Soyuz Mladorrosov » Wed Sep 05, 2018 9:50 pm

Proletarian Republic of Americanada wrote:Where does the "naz" part of nazbol come from?

If NazBol was actually National Bolshevik, the naz would stand for National but NazBol is just an internet meme that comes from the National Bolsheviks admittedly interesting choice of flag.
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Prosorusiya
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Founded: Oct 01, 2015
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Postby Prosorusiya » Wed Sep 05, 2018 9:55 pm

Generally some kind of Utopian Socialist with democratic leanings? I mostly identify with early American experiments in primitive forms of socialism\communism, but with a Marxist slant on economics and religious affairs. Most American Utopian Socialists back in the day where a product of the Second Great Awakening & I'm more an atheist, and I fundamentally agree with Marx's analysis of the stages of economic development, which in fairness to the Utopians had not been written\weren't widely known outside Germany at the time. But I'm not a huge fan of the dictatorship of the proletariat... at least not in name anyhow, and I don't really agree with Marx on the necessity of violent uprising in all proletarian revolutions, though I see where he was coming from. I favor a technocrat approach to economic control, I really think the Soviets were in the vanguard of using an internet to identify needs and tailor the rates of production to meet demand and it is a shame the project for their photo-internet got canned thanks to the military insisting the system be able to be repurposed for wartime uses under their command (controlling god knows what, really all you would need is like a switch labeled "war" and "peace" to change the production orders in the system, or a file on usb tabled "war.exe" nowadays I suppose.).

On a practical level I'm so kind of independent liberal moderate fellow traveler, so I support the actions of the left in my country, at least as far as they align with what i believe is in our best interests, and vote relatively independently of any party line. I don't belong to any Socialist or Communist organizations, or even Leftist organizations per se, but I do work to promote their goals.
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Northland
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Founded: Apr 24, 2018
Civil Rights Lovefest

Postby Northland » Wed Sep 05, 2018 9:56 pm

Somewhere between conservative liberal and liberal conservative.

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Helensburgh
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Founded: Feb 11, 2018
Ex-Nation

Postby Helensburgh » Wed Sep 05, 2018 9:57 pm

Staunch liberal. Might seem strange that I call myself both a reformed neoliberal and a liberal socialist, but I take after J.S. Mill (Mill - PBUH - preferred economic democracy to capitalism). Basically I want Liberal Democracy but with market socialism. Why neoliberal? That's in reference to both the original 1930s definition (response by many liberals to laissez-faire classical liberals) and to post-2008 neoliberals, who recognise that maybe the idea that inequality is actually good is actually wrong.
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Pro: LVT, NIT/UBI, atheism & secularism, liberalism, Georgism, the market economy, liberal internationalism, the United States, liberal socialism, free trade, YIMBY.
Anti: Religion & theocracy, conservatism, isolationism, totalitarianism, laissez-faire, nativism, NIMBY.

Centre-Leftism ou barbarie.
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Helensburgh
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Founded: Feb 11, 2018
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Postby Helensburgh » Wed Sep 05, 2018 9:58 pm

Northland wrote:Somewhere between conservative liberal and liberal conservative.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WboggjN_G-4
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Pro: LVT, NIT/UBI, atheism & secularism, liberalism, Georgism, the market economy, liberal internationalism, the United States, liberal socialism, free trade, YIMBY.
Anti: Religion & theocracy, conservatism, isolationism, totalitarianism, laissez-faire, nativism, NIMBY.

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Infected Mushroom
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Founded: Apr 15, 2014
Corrupt Dictatorship

Postby Infected Mushroom » Wed Sep 05, 2018 10:05 pm

I consider myself to be a liberal.

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Dark Socialism
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Posts: 537
Founded: Jul 03, 2018
Ex-Nation

Postby Dark Socialism » Wed Sep 05, 2018 10:10 pm

The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:
Dark Socialism wrote:I don't know the name of my ideology
Economics:
Can't decide, usually favor statism and syndicalism or anything that promotes communitarianism.
Political organization:
I think that the monarch (Traniborus) should be elected by a state senate (Syfogranti) using Hegelian dialectic on who should run the ethnostate. The Syfogranti system would be theocratic and Technocratic, the most willed and most intelligent white men would elect candidates that are chosen by the previous Syfogranti.
Social:
As far right as you can get
Militarism, hyper-masculinity, austerity, reaction, conservative despotism, evolanism, tribalism and slavery. My social views are comparable to ancient swamp tribes and the Taliban, Mysticism and violence should trump reason, collective victory over "the other" would be the absolute drive of society even if there is no "other" and it's against demons or something.
Also abolish cities.

This is the Fluorine of ideologies.

highly reactive
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A Futuristic Fascist empire in the American southwest where the population is selectively bred for eternal war and spiritual civilization.

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Mushet
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Founded: Apr 29, 2008
Left-Leaning College State

Postby Mushet » Wed Sep 05, 2018 10:15 pm

Soyuz Mladorrosov wrote:What is it with cringy, contradictory and fringe political ideologies that every third internet denizen has?

Outside of the more mainstream sites (Facebook, YouTube, etc.) the internet is a bunch of freaks and weirdos, we even have a disproportionate presence on the mainstream sites, but somewhere like NationStates is bound to attract all these freaks with their odd politics. It's just the natural order of teh interwebz.
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Gun control is, and always has been, a tool of white supremacy.

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Mushet
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Left-Leaning College State

Postby Mushet » Wed Sep 05, 2018 10:16 pm

Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
Soyuz Mladorrosov wrote:Perfect example. It's almost exclusive to right-wingers, fascists and libertarians mostly.


In all honestly, I don't know why they use said qualifiers for identifying political leanings. If you're an anarchist, I don't see how you can pair that with being, say, a monarchist. One would think that anarchy and monarchy stand on different sides of the spectrum and contradict one another. But here we are.

You don't remember Distruzio? :p
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Gun control is, and always has been, a tool of white supremacy.

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Othelos
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Founded: Feb 05, 2013
Ex-Nation

Postby Othelos » Wed Sep 05, 2018 10:22 pm

Mushet wrote:
Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
In all honestly, I don't know why they use said qualifiers for identifying political leanings. If you're an anarchist, I don't see how you can pair that with being, say, a monarchist. One would think that anarchy and monarchy stand on different sides of the spectrum and contradict one another. But here we are.

You don't remember Distruzio? :p

Yeah, I can't believe it's already been more than a year since his nation CTE'd. He was an interesting guy.

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Mushet
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Founded: Apr 29, 2008
Left-Leaning College State

Postby Mushet » Wed Sep 05, 2018 10:56 pm

Othelos wrote:
Mushet wrote:You don't remember Distruzio? :p

Yeah, I can't believe it's already been more than a year since his nation CTE'd. He was an interesting guy.

I though he would've been gone a lot earlier than a year. Certainly hasn't been active on the forums for years.
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Gun control is, and always has been, a tool of white supremacy.

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Cosmopolitan borovan
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Founded: Jan 18, 2018
Ex-Nation

Postby Cosmopolitan borovan » Wed Sep 05, 2018 10:58 pm

None politics is overrated

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Victoria I Penetravir
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Founded: Apr 21, 2018
Ex-Nation

Postby Victoria I Penetravir » Wed Sep 05, 2018 10:59 pm

Kubumba Tribe wrote:

Hey, I know that name! Are you that same nation who was taking over Islamic region's and Christianizing them?

Not anymore, the old Penny's a far-right jerk bent on conquering 'leftists'.
The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:
Victoria I Penetravir wrote:Whether you chaps like it or not, I'm highly proud and confident to say that, as a real, radical leftist neither of communist nor of liberal tendencies, I am a National Socialist and a radical fascist, entirely unlike the neo-Nazis and the fashies that are, racist, identitarian, homophobic, and Islamophobic.

As an avid fan of the site Aryanism.net, and as a far-rightist converted to National Socialism, I believe that tribalism starts with the hunters and the herders and still continues to this day, and the only way to defeat the enemy is by sacrificing oneself for the sake of our fellow victims in our bodily traps. Any problem with that?

I have a problem. What are you talking about?

Don't post four times. And, if your problem was neo-Nazis in NationStates, that's not my fault. It's the fault of the rightists.
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Sutland Rep
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Founded: Sep 11, 2013
Inoffensive Centrist Democracy

Postby Sutland Rep » Wed Sep 05, 2018 10:59 pm

I’m decocratic socialist, throught I have sympathy to marxism-leninism.

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