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How do you identify politically?

Anarchist
34
5%
Communist
46
7%
Socialist
58
9%
Social Democrat
79
12%
Liberal
60
9%
Centrist
69
11%
Conservative
117
18%
Fascist
44
7%
National Socialist
18
3%
Other
121
19%
 
Total votes : 646

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Kyrinasaj
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Postby Kyrinasaj » Tue Sep 18, 2018 12:56 pm

Bookchingrad wrote:I'm an anarcho-communist with anarcho-syndicalist and Marxist sympathies.

Tbh when I first heard the name ''Bookchin'' I thought it would be some disgusting online image
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Chessmistress
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Postby Chessmistress » Tue Sep 18, 2018 1:49 pm

Mardla wrote:No one has a duty to work


"Duty to work" is a Marxist-communist idea, while Republicans always allege "you aren't obliged to work, it's your free choice, that's why you have either to accept hard and harder working conditions or you're free to leave at every time".

Thank you for proving that some of them are just hypocritical while saying so.
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Mardla
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Postby Mardla » Tue Sep 18, 2018 4:04 pm

Chessmistress wrote:
Mardla wrote:No one has a duty to work


"Duty to work" is a Marxist-communist idea, while Republicans always allege "you aren't obliged to work, it's your free choice, that's why you have either to accept hard and harder working conditions or you're free to leave at every time".

Thank you for proving that some of them are just hypocritical while saying so.

I'm not that kind of Republican. I oppose individualism, liberalism, and egalitarianism. I think Jefferson was a tool.
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The Xenopolis Confederation
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Postby The Xenopolis Confederation » Tue Sep 18, 2018 4:12 pm

Mardla wrote:
Chessmistress wrote:
"Duty to work" is a Marxist-communist idea, while Republicans always allege "you aren't obliged to work, it's your free choice, that's why you have either to accept hard and harder working conditions or you're free to leave at every time".

Thank you for proving that some of them are just hypocritical while saying so.

I'm not that kind of Republican. I oppose individualism, liberalism, and egalitarianism. I think Jefferson was a tool.

What's wrong with individualism, liberalism and egalitarianism?
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The Xenopolis Confederation
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Postby The Xenopolis Confederation » Tue Sep 18, 2018 4:12 pm

Chessmistress wrote:
Mardla wrote:No one has a duty to work


"Duty to work" is a Marxist-communist idea, while Republicans always allege "you aren't obliged to work, it's your free choice, that's why you have either to accept hard and harder working conditions or you're free to leave at every time".

Thank you for proving that some of them are just hypocritical while saying so.

And what a horrible idea it is.
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Thermodolia
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Postby Thermodolia » Tue Sep 18, 2018 4:15 pm

The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:
Mardla wrote:I'm not that kind of Republican. I oppose individualism, liberalism, and egalitarianism. I think Jefferson was a tool.

What's wrong with individualism, liberalism and egalitarianism?

Nothing in small doses. It when you get shit tons of it that people start to go nuts and start things like Metoo, furries, Incels, those fucked fetishes, and other shit
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Postby Mardla » Tue Sep 18, 2018 4:34 pm

The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:
Mardla wrote:I'm not that kind of Republican. I oppose individualism, liberalism, and egalitarianism. I think Jefferson was a tool.

What's wrong with individualism, liberalism and egalitarianism?

The OP in my sig explains the issues with liberalism. The issues with individualism are well exposed in The Philosophy of Right. And egalitarianism is shit because it is only capable of measuring quantity, it makes no qualitative distinction; e.g. a man with an 80 IQ who has been to prison twice for rape and lives on state assistance gets the same say as a genius who has achieved great success and is responsible and sacrifices constantly for his country and community, because they are both the same quantity (one person).
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Postby Kubumba Tribe » Tue Sep 18, 2018 4:49 pm

Mardla wrote:80 IQ

IQ is a bad way to measure intelligence.
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This means we can use the word, just not in a bad way. So don't punish anyone who uses kafir.

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Postby Vassenor » Tue Sep 18, 2018 4:54 pm

Kubumba Tribe wrote:
Mardla wrote:80 IQ

IQ is a bad way to measure intelligence.


Because it doesn't. At best it measures your ability in certain forms of reasoning. At worst, it measures how good you are at the test.
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Postby Valrifell » Tue Sep 18, 2018 5:35 pm

Thermodolia wrote:
The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:What's wrong with individualism, liberalism and egalitarianism?

Nothing in small doses. It when you get shit tons of it that people start to go nuts and start things like Metoo, furries, Incels, those fucked fetishes, and other shit


Half of those are just sexual lifestyles you find distasteful (and furries aren't even necessarily sexual anymore). The other half are responses and didn't just come the fuck out of nowhere.
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Mardla
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Postby Mardla » Tue Sep 18, 2018 5:38 pm

Kubumba Tribe wrote:
Mardla wrote:80 IQ

IQ is a bad way to measure intelligence.

It works pretty well. Not perfectly, but pretty well.
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Postby Kubumba Tribe » Tue Sep 18, 2018 5:40 pm

Mardla wrote:
Kubumba Tribe wrote:IQ is a bad way to measure intelligence.

It works pretty well. Not perfectly, but pretty well.

No, it literally doesn't work at all.
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Farnhamia wrote:A word of advice from your friendly neighborhood Mod, be careful how you use "kafir." It's derogatory usage by some people can get you in trouble unless you are very careful in setting the context for it's use.

This means we can use the word, just not in a bad way. So don't punish anyone who uses kafir.

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Postby Valrifell » Tue Sep 18, 2018 5:57 pm

Mardla wrote:
Kubumba Tribe wrote:IQ is a bad way to measure intelligence.

It works pretty well. Not perfectly, but pretty well.


It assumes a universal metric of intelligence which is often slanted towards Western biases. Most psychologists and smart people heavily disavow the test.
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Postby Internationalist Bastard » Tue Sep 18, 2018 6:03 pm

Valrifell wrote:
Mardla wrote:It works pretty well. Not perfectly, but pretty well.


It assumes a universal metric of intelligence which is often slanted towards Western biases. Most psychologists and smart people heavily disavow the test.

Well that makes me feel better but I think I’m still dumb
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Postby Thermodolia » Tue Sep 18, 2018 6:05 pm

Valrifell wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:Nothing in small doses. It when you get shit tons of it that people start to go nuts and start things like Metoo, furries, Incels, those fucked fetishes, and other shit


Half of those are just sexual lifestyles you find distasteful (and furries aren't even necessarily sexual anymore). The other half are responses and didn't just come the fuck out of nowhere.

It doesn’t matter if Furries are sexual or not pretending that you are an animal is a serious mental issue
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Osphen
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Postby Osphen » Tue Sep 18, 2018 6:10 pm

I'm a sort of Socialist Nationalist communitarian. I am also socially progressive (just in the sense that gays are fine, trans people aren't mentally ill, racism bad) and a monarchist.
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Postby Internationalist Bastard » Tue Sep 18, 2018 6:11 pm

Thermodolia wrote:
Valrifell wrote:
Half of those are just sexual lifestyles you find distasteful (and furries aren't even necessarily sexual anymore). The other half are responses and didn't just come the fuck out of nowhere.

It doesn’t matter if Furries are sexual or not pretending that you are an animal is a serious mental issue

Honestly I actually really appreciate the morals behind the furry community of looking deep within oneself to see the character in side. It’s more role playing than actually thinking you’re an animal
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Postby Albrenia » Tue Sep 18, 2018 6:14 pm

Thermodolia wrote:
Valrifell wrote:
Half of those are just sexual lifestyles you find distasteful (and furries aren't even necessarily sexual anymore). The other half are responses and didn't just come the fuck out of nowhere.

It doesn’t matter if Furries are sexual or not pretending that you are an animal is a serious mental issue


Pretending to be an animal is a weird ass hobby, but I don't see it as a serious mental issue. Hell, I spend a lot of time pretending to run a nation online.

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Postby Omega State » Tue Sep 18, 2018 6:16 pm

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Postby Mardla » Tue Sep 18, 2018 6:19 pm

Valrifell wrote:
Mardla wrote:It works pretty well. Not perfectly, but pretty well.


It assumes a universal metric of intelligence which is often slanted towards Western biases. Most psychologists and smart people heavily disavow the test.

Intelligence is a western concept, so no shit
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Postby Internationalist Bastard » Tue Sep 18, 2018 6:23 pm

Mardla wrote:
Valrifell wrote:
It assumes a universal metric of intelligence which is often slanted towards Western biases. Most psychologists and smart people heavily disavow the test.

Intelligence is a western concept, so no shit

What
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Postby Kubumba Tribe » Tue Sep 18, 2018 6:23 pm

Mardla wrote:
Valrifell wrote:
It assumes a universal metric of intelligence which is often slanted towards Western biases. Most psychologists and smart people heavily disavow the test.

Intelligence is a western concept, so no shiz

Which is another reason why it's bogus
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Farnhamia wrote:A word of advice from your friendly neighborhood Mod, be careful how you use "kafir." It's derogatory usage by some people can get you in trouble unless you are very careful in setting the context for it's use.

This means we can use the word, just not in a bad way. So don't punish anyone who uses kafir.

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Postby Albrenia » Tue Sep 18, 2018 6:24 pm

Mardla wrote:
Valrifell wrote:
It assumes a universal metric of intelligence which is often slanted towards Western biases. Most psychologists and smart people heavily disavow the test.

Intelligence is a western concept, so no shit


It is?

Huh. This I did not know.

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The Xenopolis Confederation
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Postby The Xenopolis Confederation » Tue Sep 18, 2018 6:34 pm

Kubumba Tribe wrote:
Mardla wrote:Intelligence is a western concept, so no shiz

Which is another reason why it's bogus

Wait, intelligence is bogus? How could you say something so unislamic?
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Postby Bakery Hill » Tue Sep 18, 2018 6:35 pm

Albrenia wrote:
Mardla wrote:Intelligence is a western concept, so no shit


It is?

Huh. This I did not know.

To a degree. Most other cultures have similar concepts.
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