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How do you identify politically?

Anarchist
34
5%
Communist
46
7%
Socialist
58
9%
Social Democrat
79
12%
Liberal
60
9%
Centrist
69
11%
Conservative
117
18%
Fascist
44
7%
National Socialist
18
3%
Other
121
19%
 
Total votes : 646

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The Xenopolis Confederation
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Anarchy

Postby The Xenopolis Confederation » Sun Sep 16, 2018 10:20 pm

Bakery Hill wrote:
The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:Using an authoritarian restriction as a "political weapon" to bludgeon your enemies with doesn't seem all that ethical to me.

Well that's the nature of ethics isn't it.

Are you trying to say that ethics is relative, or that my ethical compass is out of whack, or is this a backhanded way of admitting that using french laicite as a weapon is pretty bad? Either way, it seems like you're not dealing with the meat of the issue here; that using authoritarian policy as a weapon is well... bad. (IMO).
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Nocturnalis
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Postby Nocturnalis » Sun Sep 16, 2018 10:21 pm

I...I don't quite know, honestly. In a Canadian context, vaguely Conservative-leaning. Part-time Western supremacist.

What, exactly, is wrong with laïcité?

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Jolthig
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Postby Jolthig » Sun Sep 16, 2018 10:24 pm

Nocturnalis wrote:I...I don't quite know, honestly. In a Canadian context, vaguely Conservative-leaning. Part-time Western supremacist.

What, exactly, is wrong with laïcité?

I don't know the exact ideology, but some elements of it I disagree with such as banning Muslim women from wearing burkinis, and not having churches display their symbols outside of their buildings.
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The Xenopolis Confederation
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Postby The Xenopolis Confederation » Sun Sep 16, 2018 10:24 pm

Nocturnalis wrote:I...I don't quite know, honestly. In a Canadian context, vaguely Conservative-leaning. Part-time Western supremacist.

What, exactly, is wrong with laïcité?

What exactly is wrong with people displaying whatever religious symbols they like?
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Postby Jolthig » Sun Sep 16, 2018 10:24 pm

The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:
Nocturnalis wrote:I...I don't quite know, honestly. In a Canadian context, vaguely Conservative-leaning. Part-time Western supremacist.

What, exactly, is wrong with laïcité?

What exactly is wrong with people displaying whatever religious symbols they like?

You read my mind, bro.
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Postby Kubumba Tribe » Sun Sep 16, 2018 10:25 pm

Nocturnalis wrote:What, exactly, is wrong with laïcité?

That it almlst forces religious people to forget their religion, making people upon kufr (disbelief) and not imaan (belief). Doubly worse is that religion doesn't govern the state. People do.
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Postby Dreviczenko » Sun Sep 16, 2018 10:32 pm

The Liberated Territories wrote:Strong Libertarian. My positions on the labor theory of value and stronger affinity towards property rights make me a right leaning libertarian, but I am not dogmatically so right wing as I am libertarian (e.g. I have nothing against communes like the Kibbutz, although I don't want to live in one, and I think individual ownership would be the norm instead of the exception in any libertarian society.)

I wouldn't necessarily classify myself as anarchist, though I have many anarchist sympathies, I see the state as a necessary precondition for strong property rights and enforcing contracts under a rule of law. That being said I agree so much that the state can't even get this right half the time.


Pretty much this.

I don't know you, but thank you for finally defining my values in an easily read and concrete way. I've been searching for these words for years; the rights of the individual are paramount, even if those individuals choose ideological practice that are opposed to my own (unless by exercising those practices they violate the NAP).


In short, I agree wholeheartedly, with every fiber of my being.

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Postby Bakery Hill » Sun Sep 16, 2018 10:32 pm

The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:
Bakery Hill wrote:Well that's the nature of ethics isn't it.

Are you trying to say that ethics is relative, or that my ethical compass is out of whack, or is this a backhanded way of admitting that using french laicite as a weapon is pretty bad? Either way, it seems like you're not dealing with the meat of the issue here; that using authoritarian policy as a weapon is well... bad. (IMO).

We should probably stop jailing murderers then.
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The Xenopolis Confederation
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Postby The Xenopolis Confederation » Sun Sep 16, 2018 10:38 pm

Bakery Hill wrote:
The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:Are you trying to say that ethics is relative, or that my ethical compass is out of whack, or is this a backhanded way of admitting that using french laicite as a weapon is pretty bad? Either way, it seems like you're not dealing with the meat of the issue here; that using authoritarian policy as a weapon is well... bad. (IMO).

We should probably stop jailing murderers then.

Of course, there are some acceptable targets for authoritarianism, such as violent criminals, and... that's about it. You appear consider all religious folk to be acceptable targets though.
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Jolthig
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Postby Jolthig » Sun Sep 16, 2018 10:44 pm

Bakery Hill wrote:
The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:Are you trying to say that ethics is relative, or that my ethical compass is out of whack, or is this a backhanded way of admitting that using french laicite as a weapon is pretty bad? Either way, it seems like you're not dealing with the meat of the issue here; that using authoritarian policy as a weapon is well... bad. (IMO).

We should probably stop jailing murderers then.

That's not his point.
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Inoffensive Centrist Democracy

Postby Aleckandor » Sun Sep 16, 2018 10:55 pm

Nocturnalis wrote:I...I don't quite know, honestly. In a Canadian context, vaguely Conservative-leaning. Part-time Western supremacist.

What, exactly, is wrong with laïcité?


Laïcité is, I would argue, a bit more openly hostile to religion. Not outright anti-theism per se, but one would be mistaken if they thought that it was at all the same type of secularism/separation of church and state given in, say, the Establishment Clause of the US Constitution's 1st Amendment.
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Bakery Hill
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Postby Bakery Hill » Sun Sep 16, 2018 11:09 pm

The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:
Bakery Hill wrote:We should probably stop jailing murderers then.

Of course, there are some acceptable targets for authoritarianism, such as violent criminals, and... that's about it. You appear consider all religious folk to be acceptable targets though.

What makes you think that?
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The Xenopolis Confederation
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Postby The Xenopolis Confederation » Mon Sep 17, 2018 1:17 am

Bakery Hill wrote:
The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:Of course, there are some acceptable targets for authoritarianism, such as violent criminals, and... that's about it. You appear consider all religious folk to be acceptable targets though.

What makes you think that?

Bakery Hill wrote:There's a lot to be said for laicite as a political weapon under certain circumstances.
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Discaria
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Postby Discaria » Mon Sep 17, 2018 1:21 am

I identify myself as a social democrat. I'm a huge fan of the nordic model. Anyone else share this ideology??

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Bakery Hill
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Postby Bakery Hill » Mon Sep 17, 2018 1:27 am

The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:
Bakery Hill wrote:What makes you think that?

Bakery Hill wrote:There's a lot to be said for laicite as a political weapon under certain circumstances.

One does not at all follow the other.
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Nettunia
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Postby Nettunia » Mon Sep 17, 2018 1:41 am

Hakons wrote:Christian-Communism is a bit of a paradox

Jesus basically. It is what the Catholic church preaches(without practicing it as it is a very questionable wealth grabbing monarchy).
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Bakery Hill
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Postby Bakery Hill » Mon Sep 17, 2018 1:46 am

Hakons wrote:At first I was surprised conservative was the leading faction, but then I realized the left-wing votes were split among several options.

I try to base my views off of Christianity, so I would call it Christian Democracy. On the poll, I fit best into the conservative option, due to my social views.

Tokora wrote:Christian-Communism with some Trotskyism, Titoism, and a few other ideas thrown in there.


Christian-Communism is a bit of a paradox, considering communists usually try to purge Christians and kill priests.

Christian Marxism is hard but possible to reconcile, many have. Christian Communism is by no means a paradox.
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Jolthig
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Postby Jolthig » Mon Sep 17, 2018 3:57 am

Discaria wrote:I identify myself as a social democrat. I'm a huge fan of the nordic model. Anyone else share this ideology??

Here! :D
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Valrifell
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Postby Valrifell » Mon Sep 17, 2018 6:07 am

I choose to identify as some kind of left-libertarian I guess.
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Postby Internationalist Bastard » Mon Sep 17, 2018 6:10 am

Nettunia wrote:
Hakons wrote:Christian-Communism is a bit of a paradox

Jesus basically. It is what the Catholic church preaches(without practicing it as it is a very questionable wealth grabbing monarchy).

Yeah Jesus was a working class man who went around talking about banks are evil and loving thy neighbor as you would yourself, all while healing people for free and feeding people
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Tierra Prime
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Postby Tierra Prime » Mon Sep 17, 2018 6:42 am

I don't know what you call it. Bonapartist maybe. Monarchist definitely. Some of my ideals are meritocratic in the vein of Napoleon, while others are socialist. It's a curious mix of ideas and concepts from different schools of thought and ideologies.
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Postby -Ocelot- » Mon Sep 17, 2018 6:46 am

Eye-opening poll. NSG is slowly turning into a fascist hugbox.

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Postby Ifreann » Mon Sep 17, 2018 6:50 am

Godless, baby-eating liberal.
-Ocelot- wrote:Eye-opening poll. NSG is slowly turning into a fascist hugbox.

What ever happened to our famous liberal bias? When did the mods stop banning everyone right of Marx?
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Postby Bakery Hill » Mon Sep 17, 2018 6:58 am

-Ocelot- wrote:Eye-opening poll. NSG is slowly turning into a fascist hugbox.

Depending on how you categorise things

31% left (11% radical)
19% centre/moderate
30% right (12% radical)

(you can't do much with other which makes things less accurate)

The right are weaker than I expected tbh. If you count liberals as left like many do, the left goes out to 38%. At any rate this doesn't reflect the general culture. Many lurk.
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Postby Dark Socialism » Mon Sep 17, 2018 7:18 am

Bakery Hill wrote:
-Ocelot- wrote:Eye-opening poll. NSG is slowly turning into a fascist hugbox.

Depending on how you categorise things

31% left (11% radical)
19% centre/moderate
30% right (12% radical)

(you can't do much with other which makes things less accurate)

The right are weaker than I expected tbh. If you count liberals as left like many do, the left goes out to 38%. At any rate this doesn't reflect the general culture. Many lurk.

There probably are some miscellaneous far-Righters that chose "other".
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