What political ideology do you identify as?

[Jolthig]

And I disagree with both of you.

What ideology do you subscribe to,and why do you place it above God?

Nordic model-style social democracy and secularism for government.

I'm also an American Constitutionalist.

[Hakons]

What ideology do you subscribe to,and why do you place it above God?

Nordic model-style social democracy and secularism for government.

I'm also an American Constitutionalist.

I can get behind the social democracy, since that's a variant of Christian democracy. I'm not much of a fan of secularism, since it's pretty much a lite form of state enforced atheism. When the government enforces the religious "none" category, the people gradually adopt the "none" category. I do like the American constitutional system, especially when secularism and other modernist things hadn't been made "constitutional" yet (I know America has always had a secular government, but the modern conception of secularism is radical secularism).

[Jolthig]

Nordic model-style social democracy and secularism for government.

I'm also an American Constitutionalist.

I can get behind the social democracy, since that's a variant of Christian democracy. I'm not much of a fan of secularism, since it's pretty much a lite form of state enforced atheism. When the government enforces the religious "none" category, the people gradually adopt the "none" category. I do like the American constitutional system, especially when secularism and other modernist things hadn't been made "constitutional" yet (I know America has always had a secular government, but the modern conception of secularism is radical secularism).

If you're talking about the French style of secularism, then yeah, I agree, it's bad.

[El-Amin Caliphate]

I can get behind the social democracy, since that's a variant of Christian democracy. I'm not much of a fan of secularism, since it's pretty much a lite form of state enforced atheism. When the government enforces the religious "none" category, the people gradually adopt the "none" category. I do like the American constitutional system, especially when secularism and other modernist things hadn't been made "constitutional" yet (I know America has always had a secular government, but the modern conception of secularism is radical secularism).

If you're talking about the French style of secularism, then yeah, I agree, it's bad.

Secularism in general is bad (in forced on the religious).

[Jolthig]

If you're talking about the French style of secularism, then yeah, I agree, it's bad.

Secularism in general is bad (in forced on the religious).

Did you mean "if forced on the religious"?

If so, then yes, I agree. France is a great case

[Bakery Hill]

There's a lot to be said for laicite as a political weapon under certain circumstances.

[Bakery Hill]

I have the honour of being rated NSG's Best Communist despite not really being a communist.

[Jolthig]

I have the honour of being rated NSG's Best Communist despite not really being a communist.

Lol nice. What are you?

[Kubumba Tribe]

Secularism in general is bad (in forced on the religious).

Did you mean "if forced on the religious"?

If so, then yes, I agree. France is a great case

Oh yeah, sry bout dat

[Bakery Hill]

I have the honour of being rated NSG's Best Communist despite not really being a communist.

Lol nice. What are you?

A socialist, whatever that means.

[Jolthig]

Did you mean "if forced on the religious"?

If so, then yes, I agree. France is a great case

Oh yeah, sry bout dat

So this is the secularism you were speaking out against during our discussions these past few weeks?

Lol nice. What are you?

A socialist, whatever that means.

Lol. Democratic socialist?

[Bakery Hill]

Oh yeah, sry bout dat

So this is the secularism you were speaking out against during our discussions these past few weeks?

A socialist, whatever that means.

Lol. Democratic socialist?

Again that doesn't mean a lot either these days, unfortunately.

[The Xenopolis Confederation]

Nordic model-style social democracy and secularism for government.

I'm also an American Constitutionalist.

I can get behind the social democracy, since that's a variant of Christian democracy. I'm not much of a fan of secularism, since it's pretty much a lite form of state enforced atheism. When the government enforces the religious "none" category, the people gradually adopt the "none" category. I do like the American constitutional system, especially when secularism and other modernist things hadn't been made "constitutional" yet (I know America has always had a secular government, but the modern conception of secularism is radical secularism).

Lol. "People being allowed to believe whatever they want is basically forcing atheism."

[Kubumba Tribe]

Oh yeah, sry bout dat

So this is the secularism you were speaking out against during our discussions these past few weeks?

Yah

[Jolthig]

So this is the secularism you were speaking out against during our discussions these past few weeks?


Lol. Democratic socialist?

Again that doesn't mean a lot either these days, unfortunately.

True, it gets confused with social democracy a lot

[Jolthig]

So this is the secularism you were speaking out against during our discussions these past few weeks?

Yah

Then there's no disagreement between us on this part of the topic then.

[Kubumba Tribe]

Yah

Then there's no disagreement between us on this part of the topic then.

Yeah, secularism only for the irreligious, religious law only for the religious.

[The Xenopolis Confederation]

If you're talking about the French style of secularism, then yeah, I agree, it's bad.

Secularism in general is bad (in forced on the religious).

Secularism by definition is the doctrine that the state must not interfere or take a side in the religious activities and opinions of its citizens. That categorically rules out forcing anything on anyone regarding religion. You are literally saying "peace is bad (if it's violent and warlike)."

[Jolthig]

Secularism in general is bad (in forced on the religious).

Secularism by definition is the doctrine that the state must not interfere or take a side in the religious activities and opinions of its citizens. That categorically rules out forcing anything on anyone regarding religion. You are literally saying "peace is bad (if it's violent and warlike)."

You do realize France is strict with its kind of secularism right?

[The Xenopolis Confederation]

Then there's no disagreement between us on this part of the topic then.

Yeah, secularism only for the irreligious, religious law only for the religious.

What happens when someone deconverts from Islam?

[Jolthig]

Then there's no disagreement between us on this part of the topic then.

Yeah, secularism only for the irreligious, religious law only for the religious.

(American) secularism for everybody

[Kubumba Tribe]

Yeah, secularism only for the irreligious, religious law only for the religious.

(American) secularism for everybody

What's that mean?

[The Xenopolis Confederation]

Secularism by definition is the doctrine that the state must not interfere or take a side in the religious activities and opinions of its citizens. That categorically rules out forcing anything on anyone regarding religion. You are literally saying "peace is bad (if it's violent and warlike)."

You do realize France is strict with its kind of secularism right?

Most advocates of secularism are advocates of American secularism rather than French secularism.

[Jolthig]

(American) secularism for everybody

What's that mean?

Constitutionalism (first amendment)

You do realize France is strict with its kind of secularism right?

Most advocates of secularism are advocates of American secularism rather than French secularism.

Yeah but for this topic, Amin was speaking against the French kind. We both don't agree with him on his views yes, but I'm saying he was speaking against the French kind.

[The Xenopolis Confederation]

(American) secularism for everybody

What's that mean?

It means you can believe whatever you want.