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How do you identify politically?

Anarchist
34
5%
Communist
46
7%
Socialist
58
9%
Social Democrat
79
12%
Liberal
60
9%
Centrist
69
11%
Conservative
117
18%
Fascist
44
7%
National Socialist
18
3%
Other
121
19%
 
Total votes : 646

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Postby Internationalist Bastard » Wed Sep 05, 2018 6:57 pm

TESTTEST wrote:
Internationalist Bastard wrote:Pfft that’s nothing
Have you ever tried explaining internationalism and internationalism are two different things?

Those look like the same word to me. Are they the same word?

Because they are
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Postby TESTTEST » Wed Sep 05, 2018 6:58 pm

Internationalist Bastard wrote:
TESTTEST wrote:Those look like the same word to me. Are they the same word?

Because they are
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Oh. What's the difference?

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Postby Thermodolia » Wed Sep 05, 2018 6:58 pm

Internationalist Bastard wrote:
Victoria I Penetravir wrote:I do not hate Jews because they are of Semitic origin, I despise their character, their hostility to society, their apathy and their indifference. No, I am not a white supremacist. White Supremacists/ Nationalists apply the Talmud to themselves because Zionists are unafraid of White Nationalism.

For you what is National Socialism all about? Racism? Homophobia? Sexism? Identitarianism under the cover of Nationalism? No, National Socialism is, according to the site's glossary, "based on the belief that production is valuable only as a means and only in quantity sufficient to facilitate the folk purpose." No, it has nothing to do with racism, Zionist Allies after World War II twisted by wartime propaganda to demonize National Socialist Germany and accompanying selective confessions elicted via deception and duress during the Nuremburg Trials, which became the official version of that ideology for the Allies, whom far-rightists believe.

The only people who twisted National Socialism was the Nazis

You mean the exact people who came up with it?
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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Wed Sep 05, 2018 6:59 pm

Thermodolia wrote:
Mardla wrote:You don't know what a pinko is

Yes I do parkus


I guess stance looks different to others depending on their own leanings. Which is a bit hard to keep up with definitions. I have been called a pinko commie, a socialist, a conservative, a liberal, you name it.
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Postby Internationalist Bastard » Wed Sep 05, 2018 6:59 pm

Thermodolia wrote:
Internationalist Bastard wrote:The only people who twisted National Socialism was the Nazis

You mean the exact people who came up with it?

Precisely
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Postby TESTTEST » Wed Sep 05, 2018 7:00 pm

Trollzyn the Infinite wrote:
TESTTEST wrote:Sure, I have a problem with it. When you go around claiming to be "a leftist" when there actually is a movement called "leftism", people who aren't familiar with leftism are going to mistake us for you, mistake you for us, and think you're in some way affiliated with us when you're not.Consider the following.
Also, I have a problem with you being a nazi.


Except they're not a Nazi, which was the point of my own response. They're unironically calling themselves a Nazi while rejecting the beliefs of Nazism.

It's a bit sad, but kinda funny.

Generally people do that with popular ideologies. What fresh hell is this?
edit: are you a Nazi?
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Postby Trollzyn the Infinite » Wed Sep 05, 2018 7:00 pm

Victoria I Penetravir wrote:
Kubumba Tribe wrote:Depends. Do you hate Jews? Are you a white supremacist?

I do not hate Jews because they are of Semitic origin, I despise their character, their hostility to society, their apathy and their indifference. No, I am not a white supremacist. White Supremacists/ Nationalists apply the Talmud to themselves because Zionists are unafraid of White Nationalism.
Trollzyn the Infinite wrote:
The only problem I have is with your complete misunderstanding of what Fascism and National Socialism are.

For you what is National Socialism all about? Racism? Homophobia? Sexism? Identitarianism under the cover of Nationalism? No, National Socialism is, according to the site's glossary, "based on the belief that production is valuable only as a means and only in quantity sufficient to facilitate the folk purpose." No, it has nothing to do with racism, Zionist Allies after World War II twisted by wartime propaganda to demonize National Socialist Germany and accompanying selective confessions elicted via deception and duress during the Nuremburg Trials, which became the official version of that ideology for the Allies, whom far-rightists believe.


That was funny. I've heard a lot of historical revisionist nonsense from NatSocs before, but this just takes the cake.

The site is wrong, quite frankly, and seems to have confused Fascism with National Socialism. These are not the same things.
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Postby Trollzyn the Infinite » Wed Sep 05, 2018 7:01 pm

TESTTEST wrote:
Trollzyn the Infinite wrote:
Except they're not a Nazi, which was the point of my own response. They're unironically calling themselves a Nazi while rejecting the beliefs of Nazism.

It's a bit sad, but kinda funny.

Generally people do that with popular ideologies. What fresh hell is this?
edit: are you a Nazi?


I am not, no. But I've spent enough time around Fascists and Nazis to understand both ideologies to the point that I can distinguish between them.

In this case, Victoria I Penetravir seems to think they are a Nazi when in fact they sound more like a Fascist. This is painfully ironic because it's usually the other way around (i.e., people thinking they're Fascists when really they're Nazis)
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Postby Internationalist Bastard » Wed Sep 05, 2018 7:02 pm

TESTTEST wrote:
Internationalist Bastard wrote:Because they are
Welcome to my world

Oh. What's the difference?

One is the view I have, creating a global government, bringing humanity closer together to achieve greater heights, and is at its heart capitalist
The other is communist, the philosophy that that the communist revolution needs to be global to truely succeed
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Postby The South Falls » Wed Sep 05, 2018 7:03 pm

Victoria I Penetravir wrote:
Kubumba Tribe wrote:Depends. Do you hate Jews? Are you a white supremacist?

I do not hate Jews because they are of Semitic origin, I despise their character, their hostility to society, their apathy and their indifference. No, I am not a white supremacist. White Supremacists/ Nationalists apply the Talmud to themselves because Zionists are unafraid of White Nationalism.
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The only problem I have is with your complete misunderstanding of what Fascism and National Socialism are.

For you what is National Socialism all about? Racism? Homophobia? Sexism? Identitarianism under the cover of Nationalism? No, National Socialism is, according to the site's glossary, "based on the belief that production is valuable only as a means and only in quantity sufficient to facilitate the folk purpose." No, it has nothing to do with racism, Zionist Allies after World War II twisted by wartime propaganda to demonize National Socialist Germany and accompanying selective confessions elicted via deception and duress during the Nuremburg Trials, which became the official version of that ideology for the Allies, whom far-rightists believe.

So you do in fact hate Jews, but their character.

The holocaust was a twist? Tell that to the six million Jewish people that the Nazis killed. Wait, you can't, they're dead.
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Postby Soyuz Mladorrosov » Wed Sep 05, 2018 7:03 pm

Internationalist Bastard wrote:One is the view I have, creating a global government, bringing humanity closer together to achieve greater heights, and is at its heart capitalist
The other is communist, the philosophy that that the communist revolution needs to be global to truely succeed

Literally just call it globalism.
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Postby Victoria I Penetravir » Wed Sep 05, 2018 7:03 pm

Thermodolia wrote:
Internationalist Bastard wrote:The only people who twisted National Socialism was the Nazis

You mean the exact people who came up with it?

Consider Ben Klassen (the proponent of the 14 Words) and the Creativity Movement. In what ways do they twist National Socialism into a racist ideology? They are rightists because they did not know what National Socialism is really all about. National Socialism is all about quality, not ethnicity.
The South Falls wrote:
Victoria I Penetravir wrote:I do not hate Jews because they are of Semitic origin, I despise their character, their hostility to society, their apathy and their indifference. No, I am not a white supremacist. White Supremacists/ Nationalists apply the Talmud to themselves because Zionists are unafraid of White Nationalism.

For you what is National Socialism all about? Racism? Homophobia? Sexism? Identitarianism under the cover of Nationalism? No, National Socialism is, according to the site's glossary, "based on the belief that production is valuable only as a means and only in quantity sufficient to facilitate the folk purpose." No, it has nothing to do with racism, Zionist Allies after World War II twisted by wartime propaganda to demonize National Socialist Germany and accompanying selective confessions elicted via deception and duress during the Nuremburg Trials, which became the official version of that ideology for the Allies, whom far-rightists believe.

So you do in fact hate Jews, but their character.

The holocaust was a twist? Tell that to the six million Jewish people that the Nazis killed. Wait, you can't, they're dead.

Yes.

There is a difference between anti-Zionism and anti-semitism. The latter has come to mean Arabs and not only including Jews. I have no problem with Arabs but with Jews, whom I consider to be Judaism made flesh.
Trollzyn the Infinite wrote:
TESTTEST wrote:Generally people do that with popular ideologies. What fresh hell is this?
edit: are you a Nazi?


I am not, no. But I've spent enough time around Fascists and Nazis to understand both ideologies to the point that I can distinguish between them.

In this case, Victoria I Penetravir seems to think they are a Nazi when in fact they sound more like a Fascist. This is painfully ironic because it's usually the other way around (i.e., people thinking they're Fascists when really they're Nazis)

Which is why you did not read from factbooks by True Left.
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Postby Mardla » Wed Sep 05, 2018 7:04 pm

Thermodolia wrote:
Mardla wrote:You don't know what a pinko is

Yes I do parkus

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Postby The South Falls » Wed Sep 05, 2018 7:05 pm

Victoria I Penetravir wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:You mean the exact people who came up with it?

Consider Ben Klassen (the proponent of the 14 Words) and the Creativity Movement. In what ways do they twist National Socialism into a racist ideology? They are rightists because they did not know what National Socialism is really all about. National Socialism is all about quality, not ethnicity.

National Socialism is all about hierarchies, and therefore rightist.


This is how it goes.
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Postby The South Falls » Wed Sep 05, 2018 7:06 pm

Victoria I Penetravir wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:You mean the exact people who came up with it?

Consider Ben Klassen (the proponent of the 14 Words) and the Creativity Movement. In what ways do they twist National Socialism into a racist ideology? They are rightists because they did not know what National Socialism is really all about. National Socialism is all about quality, not ethnicity.
The South Falls wrote:So you do in fact hate Jews, but their character.

The holocaust was a twist? Tell that to the six million Jewish people that the Nazis killed. Wait, you can't, they're dead.

Yes.

There is a difference between anti-Zionism and anti-semitism. The latter has come to mean Arabs and not only including Jews.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antisemitism


No it hasn't.

Antisemitism (also spelled anti-Semitism or anti-semitism) is hostility to, prejudice, or discrimination against Jews.
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Postby Uxupox » Wed Sep 05, 2018 7:07 pm

The South Falls wrote:
Victoria I Penetravir wrote:Consider Ben Klassen (the proponent of the 14 Words) and the Creativity Movement. In what ways do they twist National Socialism into a racist ideology? They are rightists because they did not know what National Socialism is really all about. National Socialism is all about quality, not ethnicity.

National Socialism is all about hierarchies, and therefore rightist.


This is how it goes.


Hierarchy is not inherently "rightist". Not by any stretch.
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Postby Internationalist Bastard » Wed Sep 05, 2018 7:07 pm

Soyuz Mladorrosov wrote:
Internationalist Bastard wrote:One is the view I have, creating a global government, bringing humanity closer together to achieve greater heights, and is at its heart capitalist
The other is communist, the philosophy that that the communist revolution needs to be global to truely succeed

Literally just call it globalism.

That’s not exactly accurate
Globalism creates a different implication, the globe being one. Internationalism implies the nations still exist, but in a manner more like States in the US or Germany
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Postby Victoria I Penetravir » Wed Sep 05, 2018 7:07 pm

The South Falls wrote:
Victoria I Penetravir wrote:Consider Ben Klassen (the proponent of the 14 Words) and the Creativity Movement. In what ways do they twist National Socialism into a racist ideology? They are rightists because they did not know what National Socialism is really all about. National Socialism is all about quality, not ethnicity.

National Socialism is all about hierarchies, and therefore rightist.

This is how it goes.

Which is in fact,

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Postby Trollzyn the Infinite » Wed Sep 05, 2018 7:08 pm

Victoria I Penetravir wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:You mean the exact people who came up with it?

Consider Ben Klassen (the proponent of the 14 Words) and the Creativity Movement. In what ways do they twist National Socialism into a racist ideology? They are rightists because they did not know what National Socialism is really all about. National Socialism is all about quality, not ethnicity.
The South Falls wrote:So you do in fact hate Jews, but their character.

The holocaust was a twist? Tell that to the six million Jewish people that the Nazis killed. Wait, you can't, they're dead.

Yes.

There is a difference between anti-Zionism and anti-semitism. The latter has come to mean Arabs and not only including Jews. I have no problem with Arabs but with Jews, whom I consider to be Judaism made flesh.
Trollzyn the Infinite wrote:
I am not, no. But I've spent enough time around Fascists and Nazis to understand both ideologies to the point that I can distinguish between them.

In this case, Victoria I Penetravir seems to think they are a Nazi when in fact they sound more like a Fascist. This is painfully ironic because it's usually the other way around (i.e., people thinking they're Fascists when really they're Nazis)

Which is why you did not read from factbooks by True Left.


Why should I care about somebody's factbooks, exactly?
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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Wed Sep 05, 2018 7:08 pm

Trollzyn the Infinite wrote:
Victoria I Penetravir wrote:Consider Ben Klassen (the proponent of the 14 Words) and the Creativity Movement. In what ways do they twist National Socialism into a racist ideology? They are rightists because they did not know what National Socialism is really all about. National Socialism is all about quality, not ethnicity.

Yes.

There is a difference between anti-Zionism and anti-semitism. The latter has come to mean Arabs and not only including Jews. I have no problem with Arabs but with Jews, whom I consider to be Judaism made flesh.

Which is why you did not read from factbooks by True Left.


Why should I care about somebody's factbooks, exactly?


Perhaps as examples? Maybe?
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Postby Victoria I Penetravir » Wed Sep 05, 2018 7:09 pm

Come to think of that, I am also Juche. Juche is considered a fascist ideology when it says it does not call itself such.
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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Wed Sep 05, 2018 7:10 pm

Victoria I Penetravir wrote:Come to think of that, I am also Juche.


Unrelated but, your forum avatar is gorgeous.
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Postby Uxupox » Wed Sep 05, 2018 7:10 pm

Victoria I Penetravir wrote:Come to think of that, I am also Juche. Juche is considered a fascist ideology when it says it does not call itself such.


a nazbol huh.
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Postby Thermodolia » Wed Sep 05, 2018 7:10 pm

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Thermodolia wrote:Yes I do parkus

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Yes I know what the word is parkus. I can read a dictionary
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