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Tombradyonia wrote:

Luminesa wrote:Donald Trump tried to apparently make Drew Brees take back his apology, but Drew doubled-down on his official apology on Instagram.

Trump trying to make Drew turn back his apology: https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2 ... uld-stand/
Brees doubling-down on Instagram (It gets cut-off a bit at the end): https://www.instagram.com/p/CBCIljGngKI ... v8vhpsrr71

In Trump world apologizing for anything = weakness.

And in other news, I'm going to have to dislike Goodell a bit less, once again... what's happening with the world?

I mean, admitting you may have acted unfairly is one step toward action, which...holy cow, Goodell apologized for a thing. I can believe Drew Brees apologizing, but Roger Goodell?! That said, given his position over the NFL, Goodell is going to have to do a lot to re-earn the good will of his employees.

Goodell is still a shitty commissioner. One apology doesn't suddenly erase 14 years of complete incompetence.

Ameriganastan wrote:Goodell is still a shitty commissioner. One apology doesn't suddenly erase 14 years of complete incompetence.

And it also doesn't erase the NFL's antagonizing of black players kneeling for years on end.

Ameriganastan wrote:Goodell is still a shitty commissioner. One apology doesn't suddenly erase 14 years of complete incompetence.

Pretty much.

Jerzylvania wrote:Playing QB as a deviator

I don’t see why they think it’s bold to say Lamar Jackson is good. Jackson is better than good. He’s basically a machine. I see him lasting in the NFL for a long time. (And I hope I am not jinxing him.)

Luminesa wrote:

Jerzylvania wrote:Playing QB as a deviator

I don’t see why they think it’s bold to say Lamar Jackson is good. Jackson is better than good. He’s basically a machine. I see him lasting in the NFL for a long time. (And I hope I am not jinxing him.)

Definitely. Though he'll have to change his game up once his legs start to go on him in 5 - 7 years or so. But just imagine this guy with 4 or 5 seasons of coaching and experience under his belt? OMIGOD.
And we got him all the way down at pick 32 of the 2018 draft which cost us two late 2nd round pick (one in 2018 & one in 2019). What were these teams thinking?

lol, even the Ravens took the when you look at it now ridiculous chance to skip over him at pick 23 to take TE Hayden Hurst, who is now a fucking Falcon. It's crazy m'am.

Outer Sparta wrote:

Luminesa wrote:Speaking of which, the Rams’ and Chargers’ new stadium is reportedly almost done. Anyone think it will boost their attendance numbers? They gotta pay-off all the banks they probably borrowed from. Or was that just Mark Davis who derped that hard?

Mark Davis has other plans to foot Las Vegas with the bill with their multi-billion dollar stadium there.

I dont think he is rich enough to pay off the stadium honestly

I don't know why people aren't giving Nick Bosa more complaints and have half forgiven Drew Brees for standing up to Trump and not giving Jake Fromm any slack. What Jake said wasn't a public message, but most likely him making a very stupid and insensitive joke. Its just the DROY and a HOF QB are a bit different than a 5th round fringe backup

Minimark wrote:

Outer Sparta wrote:Mark Davis has other plans to foot Las Vegas with the bill with their multi-billion dollar stadium there.

I dont think he is rich enough to pay off the stadium honestly

Urinating Tree said that Mark Davis has a net worth of like $500 million (the lowest of any NFL owner), and then he took-out some $2.7 billion to pay for the Raiders' new stadium? Yeah, he's gonna be owing people money for a while.

I'm going to refrain from commenting on a lot of this stuff, so do excuse me on that. I'd rather not anger a bunch of people who I do very much enjoy interacting with on here, and I'm going to leave it at that.

Luminesa wrote:

Outer Sparta wrote:But but but stick to sports!

Eh. I guess it’s still sports. Ish? Trump should let Drew say what he wants to.

Definitely still sports, Drew Brees was mentioned.

Side bar, I would ask everyone to abstain from venturing off into the root causes of a lot of what is going on right now in this thread. You seem to have all been doing good with that, and I appreciate it very much. This is both in order to stay on topic in the thread and to avoid heated and confrontational discussions.

Baltimore-Ravens wrote:Definitely. Though he'll have to change his game up once his legs start to go on him in 5 - 7 years or so. But just imagine this guy with 4 or 5 seasons of coaching and experience under his belt? OMIGOD.
And we got him all the way down at pick 32 of the 2018 draft which cost us two late 2nd round pick (one in 2018 & one in 2019). What were these teams thinking?

I think Baltimore is going to have a tough time moving the ball this year, at least early on. If I'm correct, they like to go with heavy sets, with 2-3 tight ends in the game. As much as I love the idea of pounding the rock and such, I've seen it with my own team. A clever DC (I saw the Ravens do this), will have the back 7 cheat up. With so many guys tight to the OL, you can crowd the line of scrimmage, opening up a lot more players to blitz, which makes it much harder to predict what is coming. Ravens fans correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe Mariota was sacked 10 times in that game. And Mariota, while nowhere near the player Jackson is, is at least near his level as a pure athlete.

Beyond that, I'm not sold on Lamar as a passer yet. He is totally capable of making a perfect throw (I've seen it) However, when I watch, a lot of his statistical success through the air seems to be a product of forcing teams to play a different style of football rather than his accuracy.

For those of you who played high school (or college?) football, it's easier to prepare for a team that runs a similar system to what you've seen before. If you're playing against ground and pound squads all season, that air raid offense is going to probably cook you. Granted, this is still an advantage for this football team, and it's never going to be easy to prepare for them. So until people do start to figure out what to do, it'll continue to play in their favor.

Ranoria wrote:I'm going to refrain from commenting on a lot of this stuff, so do excuse me on that. I'd rather not anger a bunch of people who I do very much enjoy interacting with on here, and I'm going to leave it at that.

Luminesa wrote:Eh. I guess it’s still sports. Ish? Trump should let Drew say what he wants to.

Definitely still sports, Drew Brees was mentioned.

Side bar, I would ask everyone to abstain from venturing off into the root causes of a lot of what is going on right now in this thread. You seem to have all been doing good with that, and I appreciate it very much. This is both in order to stay on topic in the thread and to avoid heated and confrontational discussions.

Baltimore-Ravens wrote:Definitely. Though he'll have to change his game up once his legs start to go on him in 5 - 7 years or so. But just imagine this guy with 4 or 5 seasons of coaching and experience under his belt? OMIGOD.
And we got him all the way down at pick 32 of the 2018 draft which cost us two late 2nd round pick (one in 2018 & one in 2019). What were these teams thinking?

I think Baltimore is going to have a tough time moving the ball this year, at least early on. If I'm correct, they like to go with heavy sets, with 2-3 tight ends in the game. As much as I love the idea of pounding the rock and such, I've seen it with my own team. A clever DC (I saw the Ravens do this), will have the back 7 cheat up. With so many guys tight to the OL, you can crowd the line of scrimmage, opening up a lot more players to blitz, which makes it much harder to predict what is coming. Ravens fans correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe Mariota was sacked 10 times in that game. And Mariota, while nowhere near the player Jackson is, is at least near his level as a pure athlete.

Beyond that, I'm not sold on Lamar as a passer yet. He is totally capable of making a perfect throw (I've seen it) However, when I watch, a lot of his statistical success through the air seems to be a product of forcing teams to play a different style of football rather than his accuracy.

For those of you who played high school (or college?) football, it's easier to prepare for a team that runs a similar system to what you've seen before. If you're playing against ground and pound squads all season, that air raid offense is going to probably cook you. Granted, this is still an advantage for this football team, and it's never going to be easy to prepare for them. So until people do start to figure out what to do, it'll continue to play in their favor.

I mean, Ran, all due respect, but the problem is that the issues of police brutality, protesting, and racism have kinda been a part of the social issues in sports for a while, so I think it warrants some valid discussion. So far the talk about the matter has been pretty tame and respectful, which you did already commend, but I don’t see why discussion about it can’t be allowed under the context of sports.

Luminesa wrote:

Ranoria wrote:I'm going to refrain from commenting on a lot of this stuff, so do excuse me on that. I'd rather not anger a bunch of people who I do very much enjoy interacting with on here, and I'm going to leave it at that.


Definitely still sports, Drew Brees was mentioned.

Side bar, I would ask everyone to abstain from venturing off into the root causes of a lot of what is going on right now in this thread. You seem to have all been doing good with that, and I appreciate it very much. This is both in order to stay on topic in the thread and to avoid heated and confrontational discussions.


I think Baltimore is going to have a tough time moving the ball this year, at least early on. If I'm correct, they like to go with heavy sets, with 2-3 tight ends in the game. As much as I love the idea of pounding the rock and such, I've seen it with my own team. A clever DC (I saw the Ravens do this), will have the back 7 cheat up. With so many guys tight to the OL, you can crowd the line of scrimmage, opening up a lot more players to blitz, which makes it much harder to predict what is coming. Ravens fans correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe Mariota was sacked 10 times in that game. And Mariota, while nowhere near the player Jackson is, is at least near his level as a pure athlete.

Beyond that, I'm not sold on Lamar as a passer yet. He is totally capable of making a perfect throw (I've seen it) However, when I watch, a lot of his statistical success through the air seems to be a product of forcing teams to play a different style of football rather than his accuracy.

For those of you who played high school (or college?) football, it's easier to prepare for a team that runs a similar system to what you've seen before. If you're playing against ground and pound squads all season, that air raid offense is going to probably cook you. Granted, this is still an advantage for this football team, and it's never going to be easy to prepare for them. So until people do start to figure out what to do, it'll continue to play in their favor.

I mean, Ran, all due respect, but the problem is that the issues of police brutality, protesting, and racism have kinda been a part of the social issues in sports for a while, so I think it warrants some valid discussion. So far the talk about the matter has been pretty tame and respectful, which you did already commend, but I don’t see why discussion about it can’t be allowed under the context of sports.

That's pretty much what I was trying to say there, you worded it a little better than I did. Thanks mom.

Ranoria wrote:

Baltimore-Ravens wrote:Definitely. Though he'll have to change his game up once his legs start to go on him in 5 - 7 years or so. But just imagine this guy with 4 or 5 seasons of coaching and experience under his belt? OMIGOD.
And we got him all the way down at pick 32 of the 2018 draft which cost us two late 2nd round pick (one in 2018 & one in 2019). What were these teams thinking?

I think Baltimore is going to have a tough time moving the ball this year, at least early on. If I'm correct, they like to go with heavy sets, with 2-3 tight ends in the game. As much as I love the idea of pounding the rock and such, I've seen it with my own team. A clever DC (I saw the Ravens do this), will have the back 7 cheat up. With so many guys tight to the OL, you can crowd the line of scrimmage, opening up a lot more players to blitz, which makes it much harder to predict what is coming. Ravens fans correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe Mariota was sacked 10 times in that game. And Mariota, while nowhere near the player Jackson is, is at least near his level as a pure athlete.

Beyond that, I'm not sold on Lamar as a passer yet. He is totally capable of making a perfect throw (I've seen it) However, when I watch, a lot of his statistical success through the air seems to be a product of forcing teams to play a different style of football rather than his accuracy.

For those of you who played high school (or college?) football, it's easier to prepare for a team that runs a similar system to what you've seen before. If you're playing against ground and pound squads all season, that air raid offense is going to probably cook you. Granted, this is still an advantage for this football team, and it's never going to be easy to prepare for them. So until people do start to figure out what to do, it'll continue to play in their favor.

Ran, you be plain nuts-o here (see highlighted text). The second guy in NFL History to be unanimously chosen NFL MVP... other guy was some dude named Brady. A lot of really knowledgeable football people would vehemently disagree with you.

Baltimore-Ravens wrote:

Ranoria wrote:
I think Baltimore is going to have a tough time moving the ball this year, at least early on. If I'm correct, they like to go with heavy sets, with 2-3 tight ends in the game. As much as I love the idea of pounding the rock and such, I've seen it with my own team. A clever DC (I saw the Ravens do this), will have the back 7 cheat up. With so many guys tight to the OL, you can crowd the line of scrimmage, opening up a lot more players to blitz, which makes it much harder to predict what is coming. Ravens fans correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe Mariota was sacked 10 times in that game. And Mariota, while nowhere near the player Jackson is, is at least near his level as a pure athlete.

Beyond that, I'm not sold on Lamar as a passer yet. He is totally capable of making a perfect throw (I've seen it) However, when I watch, a lot of his statistical success through the air seems to be a product of forcing teams to play a different style of football rather than his accuracy.

For those of you who played high school (or college?) football, it's easier to prepare for a team that runs a similar system to what you've seen before. If you're playing against ground and pound squads all season, that air raid offense is going to probably cook you. Granted, this is still an advantage for this football team, and it's never going to be easy to prepare for them. So until people do start to figure out what to do, it'll continue to play in their favor.

Ran, you be plain nuts-o here (see highlighted text). The second guy in NFL History to be unanimously chosen NFL MVP... other guy was some dude named Brady. A lot of really knowledgeable football people would vehemently disagree with you.

I’m sure they would. The dude is a freak and he’s fun to watch, but it seems like he can’t consistently deliver an accurate football. Again, not that I haven’t seen some rainbows from him, but ya know. And honestly there’s a chance that regardless of that shortcoming (if it exists), it will never matter too much because the guy is such an incredible athlete.

Ranoria wrote:

Baltimore-Ravens wrote:
Ran, you be plain nuts-o here (see highlighted text). The second guy in NFL History to be unanimously chosen NFL MVP... other guy was some dude named Brady. A lot of really knowledgeable football people would vehemently disagree with you.

I’m sure they would. The dude is a freak and he’s fun to watch, but it seems like he can’t consistently deliver an accurate football. Again, not that I haven’t seen some rainbows from him, but ya know. And honestly there’s a chance that regardless of that shortcoming (if it exists), it will never matter too much because the guy is such an incredible athlete.

I mean...his stats were off-the-wall and like you said, he's a "freak". And very accurate. In 2019 he threw 36 TDs and only 6 INTs. That's a 6/1 ratio, something that only Aaron Rodgers has really been able to do consistently (and Rodgers historically has a better TD/INT ratio than even Tom Flipping Brady). That's incredible.

Luminesa wrote:

Ranoria wrote:I’m sure they would. The dude is a freak and he’s fun to watch, but it seems like he can’t consistently deliver an accurate football. Again, not that I haven’t seen some rainbows from him, but ya know. And honestly there’s a chance that regardless of that shortcoming (if it exists), it will never matter too much because the guy is such an incredible athlete.

I mean...his stats were off-the-wall and like you said, he's a "freak". And very accurate. In 2019 he threw 36 TDs and only 6 INTs. That's a 6/1 ratio, something that only Aaron Rodgers has really been able to do consistently (and Rodgers historically has a better TD/INT ratio than even Tom Flipping Brady). That's incredible.

It is! Can’t take that away from him. But as I said in the original post, I think those are much more a result of teams playing a different style of defense against him because they have no other choice, not so much because he is just that lethally accurate.

Ranoria wrote:Beyond that, I'm not sold on Lamar as a passer yet.

Wut. He has been lethal in the air this past season, he's only gotten better since joining the league and once Harbaugh stops choking he'll start winning playoff games.

Impaled Nazarene wrote:

Ranoria wrote:Beyond that, I'm not sold on Lamar as a passer yet.

Wut. He has been lethal in the air this past season, he's only gotten better since joining the league and once Harbaugh stops choking he'll start winning playoff games.

Stats don’t tell the whole story. I can’t argue your statement, the dude shredded everyone, but once again: I don’t think it was because of his prowess throwing the football. Because nobody is worried about a 1,200 yard rusher throwing the ball, they’re worried about him taking off.

It appears that Dalvin Cook is holding out until the Vikings throw more money at him.

Ranoria wrote:

Luminesa wrote:I mean...his stats were off-the-wall and like you said, he's a "freak". And very accurate. In 2019 he threw 36 TDs and only 6 INTs. That's a 6/1 ratio, something that only Aaron Rodgers has really been able to do consistently (and Rodgers historically has a better TD/INT ratio than even Tom Flipping Brady). That's incredible.

It is! Can’t take that away from him. But as I said in the original post, I think those are much more a result of teams playing a different style of defense against him because they have no other choice, not so much because he is just that lethally accurate.

In the end it matters not. If you can change the game to your advantage through your skills, you're a very good player, especially if teams are making gameplans just to stop you and still lose.

Ranoria wrote:

Impaled Nazarene wrote:Wut. He has been lethal in the air this past season, he's only gotten better since joining the league and once Harbaugh stops choking he'll start winning playoff games.

Stats don’t tell the whole story. I can’t argue your statement, the dude shredded everyone, but once again: I don’t think it was because of his prowess throwing the football. Because nobody is worried about a 1,200 yard rusher throwing the ball, they’re worried about him taking off.

I mean...I can’t tell who you wanted in Jackson’s place. And uhhh they’re worried about him putting the ball in the air though. If you’re that accurate and your offense has been the best it has been since your last Super Bowl, I’d say people are worried and he’s already taken-off.

Ranoria wrote:

Luminesa wrote:I mean...his stats were off-the-wall and like you said, he's a "freak". And very accurate. In 2019 he threw 36 TDs and only 6 INTs. That's a 6/1 ratio, something that only Aaron Rodgers has really been able to do consistently (and Rodgers historically has a better TD/INT ratio than even Tom Flipping Brady). That's incredible.

It is! Can’t take that away from him. But as I said in the original post, I think those are much more a result of teams playing a different style of defense against him because they have no other choice, not so much because he is just that lethally accurate.

huh? Lethally accurate must be some kind of new terminology no one understands. Lethal in football = winning. Jackson is 21-5 (.808 win percentage) as a starter and unanimous NFL MVP. If that isn't lethal, then I just don't know how to be accurate.

Jerzylvania wrote:

Ranoria wrote:It is! Can’t take that away from him. But as I said in the original post, I think those are much more a result of teams playing a different style of defense against him because they have no other choice, not so much because he is just that lethally accurate.

huh? Lethally accurate must be some kind of new terminology no one understands. Lethal in football = winning. Jackson is 21-5 (.808 win percentage) as a starter and unanimous NFL MVP. If that isn't lethal, then I just don't know how to be accurate.

Matt Cassel went 11-5. So did Josh Allen. Let’s not get carried away here with lethally accurate meaning wins.

Greater vakolicci haven wrote:

Ranoria wrote:It is! Can’t take that away from him. But as I said in the original post, I think those are much more a result of teams playing a different style of defense against him because they have no other choice, not so much because he is just that lethally accurate.

In the end it matters not. If you can change the game to your advantage through your skills, you're a very good player, especially if teams are making gameplans just to stop you and still lose.

I pointed that out earlier. The problem comes when teams adapt, if they can. Like I said earlier as well, it’s much more difficult to defend against an offense you haven’t played against before, stylistically.

Jerzylvania wrote:

Ranoria wrote:It is! Can’t take that away from him. But as I said in the original post, I think those are much more a result of teams playing a different style of defense against him because they have no other choice, not so much because he is just that lethally accurate.

huh? Lethally accurate must be some kind of new terminology no one understands. Lethal in football = winning. Jackson is 21-5 (.808 win percentage) as a starter and unanimous NFL MVP. If that isn't lethal, then I just don't know how to be accurate.

He's also a dual-threat QB that can beat defenses with his legs, meaning he has more tricks up his sleeve if he needs to use them.