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Democratic Communist Federation wrote:

Reikoku wrote:Syria and Yemen are two small authoritarian countries. Neither of them are the world.

The world is made [edit: up] of countries of all sorts. If you are in Syria or Yemen, that is your world. I could care less about governments. I care about the people in those societies.

No matter what way you want to try and phrase it, imperialism is not destroying the world.

Reikoku wrote:

Democratic Communist Federation wrote:
The world is made [edit: up] of countries of all sorts. If you are in Syria or Yemen, that is your world. I could care less about governments. I care about the people in those societies.

No matter what way you want to try and phrase it, imperialism is not destroying the world.

I love that even within the ridiculous context of "Syria or Yemen = The World", he's assuming Imperialism is what's getting people killed, as opposed to radicalized opposition and authoritarian oppressive governments. Like, what, you'd be a-ok if everyone just left Syria or Yemen to its own devices so they can kill eachother into nonexistence?

Genivaria wrote:

Mardla wrote:Hitlerites aren't even a bud. Socialists are a bud.

A Nazi backed President is currently in office, clearly it's the peaceful reformist socialists who are the problem.

Zizek backed Obama, clearly a communist takeover is underway.

Mardla wrote:

Reikoku wrote:
Better to nip it in the bud before it grows.

Hitlerites aren't even a bud. Socialists are a bud.

I want you to understand that when Nazis and Fascists become politically relevant, it's usually too late to stop them.

Socialists are just "that" much too far to the left.


They are much less of a problem than fucking Nazis.

Valrifell wrote:

Mardla wrote:Hitlerites aren't even a bud. Socialists are a bud.

I want you to understand that when Nazis and Fascists become politically relevant, it's usually too late to stop them.

If they're in charge, then they're slaughtering LGBTQ+ people and Leftists. It's good for business for self-proclaimed homophobes like Parkus.

Mardla wrote:

The National Salvation Front for Russia wrote:I've come to the radical and completely new conclusion that banning the popularisation and spreading of Nazi/Fascist propaganda is something good, not bad.

Hitlerites are politically irrelevant, so I don't see the point. If they weren't, that would be another story.

Banning propaganda is one thing, banning them entirely is another. Fashy propaganda can encourage far-right views even if the recipient doesn't make become a Nazi overnight. Basically, propaganda can punch above its own weight by influencing others to take on more radical views.

Valrifell wrote:

Mardla wrote:Hitlerites aren't even a bud. Socialists are a bud.

I want you to understand that when Nazis and Fascists become politically relevant, it's usually too late to stop them.

That's not true at all, the Nazi Party could have been banned in Germany up until they controlled the assembly. They were in Austria, and that would have lasted except Germany invaded.

The South Falls wrote:Socialists are just "that" much too far to the left.


They are much less of a problem than fucking Nazis.

Mmm, no, socialists are way more numerous than Hitlerites.

The National Salvation Front for Russia wrote:

Mardla wrote:Hitlerites are politically irrelevant, so I don't see the point. If they weren't, that would be another story.

Banning propaganda is one thing, banning them entirely is another. Fashy propaganda can encourage far-right views even if the recipient doesn't make become a Nazi overnight. Basically, propaganda can punch above its own weight by influencing others to take on more radical views.

There is not a ton of Hitlerite propaganda.

Mardla wrote:

The South Falls wrote:Socialists are just "that" much too far to the left.


They are much less of a problem than fucking Nazis.

Mmm, no, socialists are way more numerous than Hitlerites.

That's based on your guesswork and not actual statistical data. Nazism or White Nationalism is a serious problem, and pretending that it isn't is just delusional. Stormfront alone has been linked to almost a 100 murders, and Charlottesville involved a load of them marching down the streets shouting about how "Jews will not replace us." they're proportional enough to be a serious worry. I don't think we ever have to worry about a Fourth Reich springing up in the West, but there is still the danger of disenfranchised young people being radicalized.

Reikoku wrote:

Mardla wrote:Mmm, no, socialists are way more numerous than Hitlerites.

That's based on your guesswork and not actual statistical data. Nazism or White Nationalism is a serious problem, and pretending that it isn't is just delusional. Stormfront alone has been linked to almost a 100 murders, and Charlottesville involved a load of them marching down the streets shouting about how "Jews will not replace us." they're proportional enough to be a serious worry. I don't think we ever have to worry about a Fourth Reich springing up in the West, but there is still the danger of disenfranchised young people being radicalized.

If white nationalists are Hitlerites, we'll have to say most of America was Hitlerite throughout WWII.

Terrorists organizations should be dealt with as such.

Mardla wrote:

Reikoku wrote:
That's based on your guesswork and not actual statistical data. Nazism or White Nationalism is a serious problem, and pretending that it isn't is just delusional. Stormfront alone has been linked to almost a 100 murders, and Charlottesville involved a load of them marching down the streets shouting about how "Jews will not replace us." they're proportional enough to be a serious worry. I don't think we ever have to worry about a Fourth Reich springing up in the West, but there is still the danger of disenfranchised young people being radicalized.

If white nationalists are Hitlerites, we'll have to say most of America was Hitlerite throughout WWII.

Terrorists organizations should be dealt with as such.

Quite the opposite, actually. America inspired Hitler.

Torrocca wrote:

Valrifell wrote:
I want you to understand that when Nazis and Fascists become politically relevant, it's usually too late to stop them.

If they're in charge, then they're slaughtering LGBTQ+ people and Leftists. It's good for business for self-proclaimed homophobes like Parkus.

This is kind of ironic because Greg Johnson, a homosexual, is the biggest Hitlerite in America next to David Duke.

Pasong Tirad wrote:

Mardla wrote:If white nationalists are Hitlerites, we'll have to say most of America was Hitlerite throughout WWII.

Terrorists organizations should be dealt with as such.

Quite the opposite, actually. America inspired Hitler.

America was the first white nationalist state, so that makes sense.

Mardla wrote:

Reikoku wrote:
That's based on your guesswork and not actual statistical data. Nazism or White Nationalism is a serious problem, and pretending that it isn't is just delusional. Stormfront alone has been linked to almost a 100 murders, and Charlottesville involved a load of them marching down the streets shouting about how "Jews will not replace us." they're proportional enough to be a serious worry. I don't think we ever have to worry about a Fourth Reich springing up in the West, but there is still the danger of disenfranchised young people being radicalized.

If white nationalists are Hitlerites, we'll have to say most of America was Hitlerite throughout WWII.

Terrorists organizations should be dealt with as such.

White Nationalists sport Nazi paraphernalia, idolize Nazi war criminals, and write long books and articles about how the Holocaust couldn't have happened. Most Americans (except for Nazi sympathizers) during WW2 didn't do those things.

Most White Nationalist outlets aren't terrorist organizations, they're just radicalization centers that contribute to terrorism.

Mardla wrote:

Torrocca wrote:
If they're in charge, then they're slaughtering LGBTQ+ people and Leftists. It's good for business for self-proclaimed homophobes like Parkus.

This is kind of ironic because Greg Johnson, a homosexual, is the biggest Hitlerite in America next to David Duke.

You're telling me that you know who Greg Johnson is, but are expecting me to believe you can honestly think that white nationalism and Neo Nazism aren't identical? Whew boy, you're sure taking me for a fool.

Reikoku wrote:

Mardla wrote:
This is kind of ironic because Greg Johnson, a homosexual, is the biggest Hitlerite in America next to David Duke.

You're telling me that you know who Greg Johnson is, but are expecting me to believe you can honestly think that white nationalism and Neo Nazism aren't identical? Whew boy, you're sure taking me for a fool.

I'm supposed believe America was Hitlerite until the 1960's?

Reikoku wrote:

Mardla wrote:If white nationalists are Hitlerites, we'll have to say most of America was Hitlerite throughout WWII.

Terrorists organizations should be dealt with as such.

White Nationalists sport Nazi paraphernalia, idolize Nazi war criminals, and write long books and articles about how the Holocaust couldn't have happened. Most Americans (except for Nazi sympathizers) during WW2 didn't do those things.

Most White Nationalist outlets aren't terrorist organizations, they're just radicalization centers that contribute to terrorism.

"If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck then it must be a chicken."-Mardla

Mardla wrote:

Reikoku wrote:
You're telling me that you know who Greg Johnson is, but are expecting me to believe you can honestly think that white nationalism and Neo Nazism aren't identical? Whew boy, you're sure taking me for a fool.

I'm supposed believe America was Hitlerite until the 1960's?

You're supposed to believe that America still has to wrestle with the fact that it has a history of supporting white nationalist policies, and it still to this day continues to aid white nationalist policies. Moreso in the past two years due to prominent white nationalists actually having been part of the current administration.

Mardla wrote:Should we send weapons to the yellow vests?

Again, I have problems with the use of the word we. That implies there is a them, too. I don't see the world in that sort of dualistic way.

Reikoku wrote:No matter what way you want to try and phrase it, imperialism is not destroying the world.

Perhaps you should ask that question to the average Yemeni.

Frievolk wrote:I love that even within the ridiculous context of "Syria or Yemen = The World", he's assuming Imperialism is what's getting people killed, as opposed to radicalized opposition and authoritarian oppressive governments. Like, what, you'd be a-ok if everyone just left Syria or Yemen to its own devices so they can kill each other into nonexistence?

Authoritarian oppressive governments feed off of imperialism.

Pasong Tirad wrote:

Mardla wrote:If white nationalists are Hitlerites, we'll have to say most of America was Hitlerite throughout WWII.

Terrorists organizations should be dealt with as such.

Quite the opposite, actually. America inspired Hitler.

IIRC, Mr Smith Goes to Washington was used in Nazi Germany as propaganda because it illustrated that the American system was corrupt and needed a virtuous, unelected, man of iron will and vision to act as their savior.

The South Falls wrote:Socialists are just "that" much too far to the left.


They are much less of a problem than fucking Nazis.

So, to you, collectives are worse than killing 12 million people (some of whom were my relatives)? Your logic escapes me.