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Which Form of Leftism is The Best?

Left-Libertarianism
125
55%
Yes
66
29%
Left-Authoritarianism
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Reikoku
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Postby Reikoku » Wed Nov 28, 2018 6:53 pm

Luminesa wrote:
Torrocca wrote:
As another southerner, one of the top fifty schools in the south ain't saying much for you, there.

Which goes beyond my initial point of you, an Appalachian, casting stones in a glass house when that stereotype of the Appalachian folk is so prevalent.

Maybe don’t show such contempt for your fellow Southerners struggling in poverty then.


OEP isn't struggling in poverty lol.

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Luminesa
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Postby Luminesa » Wed Nov 28, 2018 7:12 pm

Reikoku wrote:
Luminesa wrote:Maybe don’t show such contempt for your fellow Southerners struggling in poverty then.


OEP isn't struggling in poverty lol.

He isn’t?...I dunno, a lot of college kids are broke. Did I miss something?
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Reikoku
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Postby Reikoku » Wed Nov 28, 2018 7:38 pm

Luminesa wrote:
Reikoku wrote:
OEP isn't struggling in poverty lol.

He isn’t?...I dunno, a lot of college kids are broke. Did I miss something?


Being broke isn't the same as struggling in poverty.

It really says a lot about you that you're more outraged about Torra making a quip about Southern schools than an actual fascist who wants her killed.

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Mattopilos II
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Founded: Feb 03, 2017
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Postby Mattopilos II » Wed Nov 28, 2018 8:06 pm

Reikoku wrote:
Luminesa wrote:He isn’t?...I dunno, a lot of college kids are broke. Did I miss something?


Being broke isn't the same as struggling in poverty.

It really says a lot about you that you're more outraged about Torra making a quip about Southern schools than an actual fascist who wants her killed.


Christian compassion for ya.
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Mardla
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Postby Mardla » Wed Nov 28, 2018 8:33 pm

Reikoku wrote:
Luminesa wrote:He isn’t?...I dunno, a lot of college kids are broke. Did I miss something?


Being broke isn't the same as struggling in poverty.

It really says a lot about you that you're more outraged about Torra making a quip about Southern schools than an actual fascist who wants her killed.

Torroca doesn't bat an eye over anarchist purges.
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Kubra
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Father Knows Best State

Postby Kubra » Wed Nov 28, 2018 8:47 pm

Mother Lilith wrote:What is everyone's opinion of survivalism here? I gave up on defeating capitalism so I am getting ready for it to collapse and preparing for it to collapse.
I take it you read Jacques Camatte?
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Reikoku
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Postby Reikoku » Wed Nov 28, 2018 8:47 pm

Mardla wrote:
Reikoku wrote:
Being broke isn't the same as struggling in poverty.

It really says a lot about you that you're more outraged about Torra making a quip about Southern schools than an actual fascist who wants her killed.

Torroca doesn't bat an eye over anarchist purges.


Doesn't your religion say it's a sin to lie?
Torrocca wrote:
My point is that everyone either accepts, or turns a blind eye to, controversial things about factions or countries they fanboy about. Whether that's your Anarchists, CM's United States, UMN's Ba'athist regimes, etc. I've seen that sort of thing everywhere in every political or historical forum, I do it too.


Except your point's an utterly bullshit one because I've literally denounced those atrocities as the shitty shit they are, even on this thread.

Not my fault I haven't reached the quota for what's acceptable condemnation here yet.

Although, I oughta start swinging the other way, honestly, considering what some have said here.
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Torrocca
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Democratic Socialists

Postby Torrocca » Wed Nov 28, 2018 9:14 pm

Proctopeo wrote:
Torrocca wrote:
As another southerner, one of the top fifty schools in the south ain't saying much for you, there.

Which goes beyond my initial point of you, an Appalachian, casting stones in a glass house when that stereotype of the Appalachian folk is so prevalent.

If Southern schools really are as bad as you claim, it's no wonder you came out of them with such a disaster of an ideology.


Luminesa wrote:
Torrocca wrote:
As another southerner, one of the top fifty schools in the south ain't saying much for you, there.

Which goes beyond my initial point of you, an Appalachian, casting stones in a glass house when that stereotype of the Appalachian folk is so prevalent.

Maybe don’t show such contempt for your fellow Southerners struggling in poverty then.


I figured the point being made of stereotyping being bad would be so easily missed there because I directed it toward your fellow right-winger of the Fascist tendency who literally wants me and anyone else left-wing dead. From what anyone can see, that's exactly what just happened. Maybe next time read a little bit deeper into OEP's bullshit before calling me out on my simple rebuttal of said bullshit. :^)
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Mardla
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Postby Mardla » Wed Nov 28, 2018 9:28 pm

Reikoku wrote:
Mardla wrote:Torroca doesn't bat an eye over anarchist purges.


Doesn't your religion say it's a sin to lie?
Torrocca wrote:
Except your point's an utterly bullshit one because I've literally denounced those atrocities as the shitty shit they are, even on this thread.

Not my fault I haven't reached the quota for what's acceptable condemnation here yet.

Although, I oughta start swinging the other way, honestly, considering what some have said here.

Not a lie, an assumption, and fairly reasonable since I have seen Torroca rejoice at the murder of Nicholas and his family.
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Torrocca
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Democratic Socialists

Postby Torrocca » Wed Nov 28, 2018 9:40 pm

Mardla wrote:
Reikoku wrote:
Doesn't your religion say it's a sin to lie?

Not a lie, an assumption, and fairly reasonable since I have seen Torroca rejoice at the murder of Nicholas and his family.


They very clearly, obviously, without a single hint of sarcasm in this text right now and not even a /s mark because that mark is for the lily-livered, most definitely deserved every last bit of murder that befell them despite many of those killed being mere children, obviously, duh. There is absolutely no way whatsoever that I am being sarcastic about this, despite my well-known nature of sarcastic assholery in the face of rather stupid statements. Nope. None whatsoever. You got me, Parkus. For all my life, I've earnestly held the belief that we should kill children if they're born to the wrong family. As I said, there is exactly no possible way whatsoever that I can be sarcastic about this specific thing, because my earnest Anarchist belief is that children should be mercilessly slaughtered in cold blood despite my numerous condemnations of murder in the past and present. You really figured me out, detective. Congratulations. I'm certain you of all people will not dare make the mistake of assuming this post, right now, is but a sarcastic mockery of what you're saying, because I could never be sarcastic. Never ever. Despite 99% of all my posts being sarcastic rebuttals. Because that's not what I do.
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Kubra
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Founded: Apr 15, 2006
Father Knows Best State

Postby Kubra » Wed Nov 28, 2018 9:53 pm

Mardla wrote:
Reikoku wrote:
Doesn't your religion say it's a sin to lie?

Not a lie, an assumption, and fairly reasonable since I have seen Torroca rejoice at the murder of Nicholas and his family.
There is something fundamentally odd about singling anyone out for that charge in a left-wing thread.
Like, buddy, fire a gun into the crowd and you're guaranteed to hit someone who doesn't much care for the fate of the tsar's.
“Atomic war is inevitable. It will destroy half of humanity: it is going to destroy immense human riches. It is very possible. The atomic war is going to provoke a true inferno on Earth. But it will not impede Communism.”
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Salus Maior
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Postby Salus Maior » Wed Nov 28, 2018 9:57 pm

Kubra wrote:
Mardla wrote:Not a lie, an assumption, and fairly reasonable since I have seen Torroca rejoice at the murder of Nicholas and his family.
There is something fundamentally odd about singling anyone out for that charge in a left-wing thread.
Like, buddy, fire a gun into the crowd and you're guaranteed to hit someone who doesn't much care for the fate of the tsar's.


Yes, nobody cares about women and children being shot and stabbed to death.
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"In any case we clearly see....That some opportune remedy must be found quickly for the misery and wretchedness pressing so unjustly on the majority of the working class...it has come to pass that working men have been surrendered, isolated and helpless, to the hardheartedness of employers and the greed of unchecked competition." -Pope Leo XIII, Rerum Novarum

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Mattopilos II
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Postby Mattopilos II » Wed Nov 28, 2018 9:58 pm

Salus Maior wrote:
Kubra wrote: There is something fundamentally odd about singling anyone out for that charge in a left-wing thread.
Like, buddy, fire a gun into the crowd and you're guaranteed to hit someone who doesn't much care for the fate of the tsar's.


Yes, nobody cares about women and children being shot and stabbed to death.


Now this is a perfect strawman.
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“The victory of a moral ideal is achieved by the same ‘immoral’ means as every victory: force, lies, slander, injustice.” - Nietzsche
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Torrocca
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Founded: Dec 01, 2011
Democratic Socialists

Postby Torrocca » Wed Nov 28, 2018 9:58 pm

Salus Maior wrote:
Kubra wrote: There is something fundamentally odd about singling anyone out for that charge in a left-wing thread.
Like, buddy, fire a gun into the crowd and you're guaranteed to hit someone who doesn't much care for the fate of the tsar's.


Yes, nobody cares about women and children being shot and stabbed to death.


As I just made clear, of course, in my extremely non-sarcastic post above that simply does not have even the single faintest hint of a bit of sarcasm to it whatsoever since I'm obviously not a person to ever use sarcasm.
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Salus Maior
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Postby Salus Maior » Wed Nov 28, 2018 10:01 pm

Mattopilos II wrote:
Salus Maior wrote:
Yes, nobody cares about women and children being shot and stabbed to death.


Now this is a perfect strawman.


It's exactly what happened.
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"In any case we clearly see....That some opportune remedy must be found quickly for the misery and wretchedness pressing so unjustly on the majority of the working class...it has come to pass that working men have been surrendered, isolated and helpless, to the hardheartedness of employers and the greed of unchecked competition." -Pope Leo XIII, Rerum Novarum

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Kubra
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Father Knows Best State

Postby Kubra » Wed Nov 28, 2018 10:01 pm

Salus Maior wrote:
Kubra wrote: There is something fundamentally odd about singling anyone out for that charge in a left-wing thread.
Like, buddy, fire a gun into the crowd and you're guaranteed to hit someone who doesn't much care for the fate of the tsar's.


Yes, nobody cares about women and children being shot and stabbed to death.
When we pick out 1 or 2 faces out of a casualty list, and have them represent only themselves, well that's a political statement.
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“Atomic war is inevitable. It will destroy half of humanity: it is going to destroy immense human riches. It is very possible. The atomic war is going to provoke a true inferno on Earth. But it will not impede Communism.”
Comrade J. Posadas

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Salus Maior
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Postby Salus Maior » Wed Nov 28, 2018 10:02 pm

Torrocca wrote:
Salus Maior wrote:
Yes, nobody cares about women and children being shot and stabbed to death.


As I just made clear, of course, in my extremely non-sarcastic post above that simply does not have even the single faintest hint of a bit of sarcasm to it whatsoever since I'm obviously not a person to ever use sarcasm.


I don't have a bloody clue what you're talking about.
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"In any case we clearly see....That some opportune remedy must be found quickly for the misery and wretchedness pressing so unjustly on the majority of the working class...it has come to pass that working men have been surrendered, isolated and helpless, to the hardheartedness of employers and the greed of unchecked competition." -Pope Leo XIII, Rerum Novarum

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Mattopilos II
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Postby Mattopilos II » Wed Nov 28, 2018 10:02 pm

Salus Maior wrote:
Mattopilos II wrote:
Now this is a perfect strawman.


It's exactly what happened.


Sure, if you remove all the context from it, like a disingenuous dolt.
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“The victory of a moral ideal is achieved by the same ‘immoral’ means as every victory: force, lies, slander, injustice.” - Nietzsche
“Our duties - are the rights of others over us.” - Nietzsche

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Kubra
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Father Knows Best State

Postby Kubra » Wed Nov 28, 2018 10:04 pm

Mattopilos II wrote:
Salus Maior wrote:
It's exactly what happened.


Sure, if you remove all the context from it
whoa there bud calm down
let's not say things that can get folks in hot water
“Atomic war is inevitable. It will destroy half of humanity: it is going to destroy immense human riches. It is very possible. The atomic war is going to provoke a true inferno on Earth. But it will not impede Communism.”
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Salus Maior
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Postby Salus Maior » Wed Nov 28, 2018 10:05 pm

Mattopilos II wrote:
Salus Maior wrote:
It's exactly what happened.


Sure, if you remove all the context from it, like a disingenuous dolt.


Nicholas may have been guilty of crimes himself, but his wife and children were innocent and didn't deserve the barbarous death the Bolsheviks gave them.
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"In any case we clearly see....That some opportune remedy must be found quickly for the misery and wretchedness pressing so unjustly on the majority of the working class...it has come to pass that working men have been surrendered, isolated and helpless, to the hardheartedness of employers and the greed of unchecked competition." -Pope Leo XIII, Rerum Novarum

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Pasong Tirad
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Democratic Socialists

Postby Pasong Tirad » Wed Nov 28, 2018 10:05 pm

Leftists aren't fans of monarchs, news at 10.

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Salus Maior
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Postby Salus Maior » Wed Nov 28, 2018 10:06 pm

Pasong Tirad wrote:Leftists aren't fans of monarchs, news at 10.


There's not being fans of monarchs, and then there's murdering them and their entire family like barbarians.
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"In any case we clearly see....That some opportune remedy must be found quickly for the misery and wretchedness pressing so unjustly on the majority of the working class...it has come to pass that working men have been surrendered, isolated and helpless, to the hardheartedness of employers and the greed of unchecked competition." -Pope Leo XIII, Rerum Novarum

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Torrocca
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Founded: Dec 01, 2011
Democratic Socialists

Postby Torrocca » Wed Nov 28, 2018 10:07 pm

Salus Maior wrote:
Torrocca wrote:
As I just made clear, of course, in my extremely non-sarcastic post above that simply does not have even the single faintest hint of a bit of sarcasm to it whatsoever since I'm obviously not a person to ever use sarcasm.


I don't have a bloody clue what you're talking about.


Context clues, Saius, context clues! My post there, obviously agreeing with your statement without a hint of irony, speaks of my previous post wherein I commend the savage massacre of the Tsar family at the hands of the Bolsheviks (whom we all know that I, an Anarchist, 100% agree with) without a drop of sarcastic intent.
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NOTICE 1: Anything depicted IC on this nation does NOT reflect my IRL views or values, and is not endorsed by me.
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Mattopilos II
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Founded: Feb 03, 2017
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Postby Mattopilos II » Wed Nov 28, 2018 10:07 pm

Salus Maior wrote:
Mattopilos II wrote:
Sure, if you remove all the context from it, like a disingenuous dolt.


Nicholas may have been guilty of crimes himself, but his wife and children were innocent and didn't deserve the barbarous death the Bolsheviks gave them.


You backtracking is funny, but I guess that is your mode of action on NS. Now say that the Nazis were wronged for expressing a differing opinion, and we can backtrack on that too. Maybe you can suggest more stupid shit for you to say?
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“Whoever will be free must make himself free. Freedom is no fairy gift to fall into a man's lap. What is freedom? To have the will to be responsible for one's self.” - Max Stirner
“The victory of a moral ideal is achieved by the same ‘immoral’ means as every victory: force, lies, slander, injustice.” - Nietzsche
“Our duties - are the rights of others over us.” - Nietzsche

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Salus Maior
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Postby Salus Maior » Wed Nov 28, 2018 10:08 pm

Torrocca wrote:
Salus Maior wrote:
I don't have a bloody clue what you're talking about.


Context clues, Saius, context clues! My post there, obviously agreeing with your statement without a hint of irony, speaks of my previous post wherein I commend the savage massacre of the Tsar family at the hands of the Bolsheviks (whom we all know that I, an Anarchist, 100% agree with) without a drop of sarcastic intent.


I wasn't really accusing you of anything.
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