LWDT VI: Kropotkin's Bread Dead Redemption.

[Loben]

I mean they're different kinds of work, and they both sound very tedious honestly.

It's just as much whoring out as literal whoring out.

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fuck this im going to fuck off and fucking go to fucking sleep.

[The Batorys]

well im sure that the service hookers provide is more....valuable than waiting tables.

Value has nothing to do with it.

I mean, if we're talking about the market, than yes, the market has decided that the price of sex services is higher than that of waiting tables. But it isn't exactly a free market, considering government policies on the subject. Also, sex work covers a large number of different tasks. Some are legal (strippers, burlesque dancers), some are illegal (oral, vaginal, or anal sex for money), and others exist in a legal grey area (pro doms, escorts).

Not that I'm a free marketeer.

[The Xenopolis Confederation]

Well, if it puts bread on the table.

Xen pls this is way too simplistic an outlook for this kinda shit ;~;

I mean, if it pays well, and it's well regulated to prevent STIs and rapists and the like.

[Loben]

Value has nothing to do with it.

I mean, if we're talking about the market, than yes, the market has decided that the price of sex services is higher than that of waiting tables. But it isn't exactly a free market, considering government policies on the subject. Also, sex work covers a large number of different tasks. Some are legal (strippers, burlesque dancers), some are illegal (oral, vaginal, or anal sex for money), and others exist in a legal grey area (pro doms, escorts).

Not that I'm a free marketeer.

No shit.

[Pasong Tirad]

It's just as much whoring out as literal whoring out.

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fuck this im going to fuck off and fucking go to fucking sleep.

It does sound like you're considerably drained seeing as how you haven't really been able to prove or argue anything other than by swearing rapidly, calling things retarded, and demeaning the service waiters give as less valuable than that given by sex workers.

[The Batorys]

Prostitution isn't only selling one's body. It is also objectifying one's body for the prurient interests of others. The liberal or progressive defense of the so-called oldest profession is just one more reason I have no interest in being a liberal or progressive.

If someone wants to "objectify" themselves or "sell their bodies" what of it? It's theirs to sell isn't it? I mean, if you wanna ban prostitution, you may as well ban pornography.

Sex work is interesting in that the same act can be illegal or legal depending on if there is a camera filming (consensually) for the intent of sale and distribution.

[Loben]

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fuck this im going to fuck off and fucking go to fucking sleep.

It does sound like you're considerably drained seeing as how you haven't really been able to prove or argue anything other than by swearing rapidly, calling things retarded, and demeaning the service waiters give as less valuable than that given by sex workers.

I work 10 hour shifts.

used to work in a slaughterhouse.

fucking loved that job.

[The Batorys]

If someone wants to "objectify" themselves or "sell their bodies" what of it? It's theirs to sell isn't it? I mean, if you wanna ban prostitution, you may as well ban pornography.

What if it's not a matter of want, though? What if it's a matter of need so the person in question can survive in day-to-day life?

As is the vast majority of labor.

I don't go to work because it's fun. I go to work because I need to pay rent, pay bills, and buy food. Usually in that order of importance.

That's why it's work. Because they have to pay you to do it.

[The Xenopolis Confederation]

If someone wants to "objectify" themselves or "sell their bodies" what of it? It's theirs to sell isn't it? I mean, if you wanna ban prostitution, you may as well ban pornography.

Sex work is interesting in that the same act can be illegal or legal depending on if there is a camera filming (consensually) for the intent of sale and distribution.

Very true.

[Pasong Tirad]

It does sound like you're considerably drained seeing as how you haven't really been able to prove or argue anything other than by swearing rapidly, calling things retarded, and demeaning the service waiters give as less valuable than that given by sex workers.

I work 10 hour shifts.

used to work in a slaughterhouse.

fucking loved that job.

Good for you. Doesn't make it justifiable for you to demean the job waiters do just because you think you're trying to prove a point.

If someone wants to "objectify" themselves or "sell their bodies" what of it? It's theirs to sell isn't it? I mean, if you wanna ban prostitution, you may as well ban pornography.

Sex work is interesting in that the same act can be illegal or legal depending on if there is a camera filming (consensually) for the intent of sale and distribution.

And sex work isn't even what we have a problem with. It's the system involved in it. The pimps and the overwhelmingly male group of producers who are no less objectionable than the regular capitalist because of how they make money off of other people selling their bodies.

[Torrocca]

Xen pls this is way too simplistic an outlook for this kinda shit ;~;

I mean, if it pays well, and it's well regulated to prevent STIs and rapists and the like.

Sure but, on the other hand? If there's no alternative, and it's not what someone wants to do, yet they have to to survive? It's certainly shitty.

[Uxupox]

I work 10 hour shifts.

used to work in a slaughterhouse.

fucking loved that job.

Good for you. Doesn't make it justifiable for you to demean the job waiters do just because you think you're trying to prove a point.

Sex work is interesting in that the same act can be illegal or legal depending on if there is a camera filming (consensually) for the intent of sale and distribution.

And sex work isn't even what we have a problem with. It's the system involved in it. The pimps and the overwhelmingly male group of producers who are no less objectionable than the regular capitalist because of how they make money off of other people selling their bodies.

I've honestly never heard of pimps inside the pornographic industry. In street escorts and the like? sure but never in the filming industry of itself.

I also call into question the "overwhelmingly male group of producers" bit as well since I've never heard of the demographic of it's producers.

[Pasong Tirad]

Good for you. Doesn't make it justifiable for you to demean the job waiters do just because you think you're trying to prove a point.


And sex work isn't even what we have a problem with. It's the system involved in it. The pimps and the overwhelmingly male group of producers who are no less objectionable than the regular capitalist because of how they make money off of other people selling their bodies.

I've honestly never heard of pimps inside the pornographic industry. In street escorts and the like? sure but never in the filming industry of itself.

They were meant to be separate. Pimp in non-pornographic sex work, and the producers of porn.

[Kubra]

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fuck this im going to fuck off and fucking go to fucking sleep.

It does sound like you're considerably drained seeing as how you haven't really been able to prove or argue anything other than by swearing rapidly, calling things retarded, and demeaning the service waiters give as less valuable than that given by sex workers.

and ya know when I guy demeans the job you can just tell how much they tip

[The Xenopolis Confederation]

I mean, if it pays well, and it's well regulated to prevent STIs and rapists and the like.

Sure but, on the other hand? If there's no alternative, and it's not what someone wants to do, yet they have to to survive? It's certainly shitty.

There are always alternative jobs to work in.

[The Batorys]

I work 10 hour shifts.

used to work in a slaughterhouse.

fucking loved that job.

Good for you. Doesn't make it justifiable for you to demean the job waiters do just because you think you're trying to prove a point.

Sex work is interesting in that the same act can be illegal or legal depending on if there is a camera filming (consensually) for the intent of sale and distribution.

And sex work isn't even what we have a problem with. It's the system involved in it. The pimps and the overwhelmingly male group of producers who are no less objectionable than the regular capitalist because of how they make money off of other people selling their bodies.

Most sex workers actually work for themselves. Not for pimps. Only about 25% or so even of the segment of sex workers who are what we traditionally call prostitutes are "street walkers."

[The Batorys]

Sure but, on the other hand? If there's no alternative, and it's not what someone wants to do, yet they have to to survive? It's certainly shitty.

There are always alternative jobs to work in.

When you actually get out into the working world, you tend to discover rather quickly that it's not so simple as "just find another job."

That said, many sex workers actually do like their work, so far as work goes. The shitty parts are largely due to the illegal status of their jobs (or legal grey area of their job).

[Pasong Tirad]

Sure but, on the other hand? If there's no alternative, and it's not what someone wants to do, yet they have to to survive? It's certainly shitty.

There are always alternative jobs to work in.

Are there though? I mean, we're raised to develop certain skills - certain marketable skills - that are supposed to give us our own personal edge in the job market. If nobody wants our certain set of skills, then it doesn't really sound like there's much of an alternative.

[The Batorys]

It does sound like you're considerably drained seeing as how you haven't really been able to prove or argue anything other than by swearing rapidly, calling things retarded, and demeaning the service waiters give as less valuable than that given by sex workers.

and ya know when I guy demeans the job you can just tell how much they tip

Right? Bunch of Mr. Pinks.

[Uxupox]

There are always alternative jobs to work in.

Are there though? I mean, we're raised to develop certain skills - certain marketable skills - that are supposed to give us our own personal edge in the job market. If nobody wants our certain set of skills, then it doesn't really sound like there's much of an alternative.

There is always an alternative. STEM researcher, studying a specific marketable degree, apprenticeships, training programs and etc. There will be always somebody out there that wants a specific set of skills and that will never go away. As person one must always be alert and constantly keep studying their craft to prepare themselves for the working world or even build connections that will make that transition smoother. Attend public meetings and maybe skill-share if it's possible. It may not be something you like however it's a necessary start that will allow you too transition to something you will might like if that is your decision. Life is all about self-consciousness and how to use that consciousness to build success to follow up on positive actions.

[Kubra]

Are there though? I mean, we're raised to develop certain skills - certain marketable skills - that are supposed to give us our own personal edge in the job market. If nobody wants our certain set of skills, then it doesn't really sound like there's much of an alternative.

There is always an alternative. STEM researcher, studying a specific marketable degree, apprenticeships, training programs and etc. There will be always somebody out there that wants a specific set of skills and that will never go away. As person one must always be alert and constantly keep studying their craft to prepare themselves for the working world or even build connections that will make that transition smoother. Attend public meetings and maybe skill-share if it's possible. It may not be something you like however it's a necessary start that will allow you too transition to something you will might like if that is your decision. Life is all about self-consciousness and how to use that consciousness to build success to follow up on positive actions.

how pay education doe

[Pasong Tirad]

There is always an alternative. STEM researcher, studying a specific marketable degree, apprenticeships, training programs and etc. There will be always somebody out there that wants a specific set of skills and that will never go away. As person one must always be alert and constantly keep studying their craft to prepare themselves for the working world or even build connections that will make that transition smoother. Attend public meetings and maybe skill-share if it's possible. It may not be something you like however it's a necessary start that will allow you too transition to something you will might like if that is your decision. Life is all about self-consciousness and how to use that consciousness to build success to follow up on positive actions.

how pay education doe

Also doesn't even touch on how rigid the market is to people outside of the "normally marketable people," i.e. what about the disabled? Or religious and ethnic minorities?

[Uxupox]

There is always an alternative. STEM researcher, studying a specific marketable degree, apprenticeships, training programs and etc. There will be always somebody out there that wants a specific set of skills and that will never go away. As person one must always be alert and constantly keep studying their craft to prepare themselves for the working world or even build connections that will make that transition smoother. Attend public meetings and maybe skill-share if it's possible. It may not be something you like however it's a necessary start that will allow you too transition to something you will might like if that is your decision. Life is all about self-consciousness and how to use that consciousness to build success to follow up on positive actions.

how pay education doe

sell your soul to satan.

But within the United States there are grants such as FAFSA and scholarships which depend on your income and grades. Even more so within NYC in which offers free education however you are mandated to work within the state for a period years so take that as you will.

[Uxupox]

how pay education doe

Also doesn't even touch on how rigid the market is to people outside of the "normally marketable people," i.e. what about the disabled? Or religious and ethnic minorities?

The federal government has several programs for the disabled to allow them to work or study in a very comfortable manner.

What about the religious and ethnic minorities?

[The Batorys]

When you are poor and your wages barely cover your rent and bills, basic survival leaves not much time or energy for pursuit of more "marketable" skills.