Mardla wrote:We need to move past democracy, tbh. It's time to move on.
And what if the person running your post-democratic country was your mortal enemy?
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by Democratic Communist Federation » Fri Sep 28, 2018 2:27 pm
Mardla wrote:We need to move past democracy, tbh. It's time to move on.
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by The Liberated Territories » Fri Sep 28, 2018 3:06 pm
by Korouse » Fri Sep 28, 2018 3:42 pm
Proctopeo wrote:Torrocca wrote:
Seemed to pretty much be "ewww commies" considering they linked to what was essentially the Black Book in the subtext of the quarantine. :^)
Not really. Unless you want to argue that no European communist regime committed crimes.
by Korouse » Fri Sep 28, 2018 3:46 pm
Great Minarchistan wrote:Torrocca wrote:So, r/FULLCOMMUNISM has been quarantined on Reddit. Another case of neoliberal censorship strikes even the tankies.
>Blaming something that doesn't currently exert a significant influence most countries in the world after a tankie subreddit was quarantined
Wew laddie, really desperate to find someone to justify the decrease in quality of that sub, amirite? :^)
by The Multiversal Communist Collective » Fri Sep 28, 2018 4:11 pm
by Uxupox » Fri Sep 28, 2018 4:20 pm
by Orostan » Fri Sep 28, 2018 4:23 pm
Korouse wrote:Great Minarchistan wrote:>Blaming something that doesn't currently exert a significant influence most countries in the world after a tankie subreddit was quarantined
Wew laddie, really desperate to find someone to justify the decrease in quality of that sub, amirite? :^)
Reddit in general is low-quality unintentional shitposts from psued-intellects. If I was running one of these acclaimed "communist regimes" guilty of Hitlerian crimes, I'd ban it. But then I'd have to ban NationStates too, out of fairness to my people.
“It is difficult for me to imagine what “personal liberty” is enjoyed by an unemployed hungry person. True freedom can only be where there is no exploitation and oppression of one person by another; where there is not unemployment, and where a person is not living in fear of losing his job, his home and his bread. Only in such a society personal and any other freedom can exist for real and not on paper.” -J. V. STALIN
Ernest Hemingway wrote:Anyone who loves freedom owes such a debt to the Red Army that it can never be repaid.
Napoleon Bonaparte wrote:“To understand the man you have to know what was happening in the world when he was twenty.”
Cicero wrote:"In times of war, the laws fall silent"
by Washington Resistance Army » Fri Sep 28, 2018 4:38 pm
Orostan wrote:
Stalin did not commit any crimes.
by Korouse » Fri Sep 28, 2018 4:42 pm
Orostan wrote:
I'd say economic crises, but that works too.Korouse wrote:Reddit in general is low-quality unintentional shitposts from psued-intellects. If I was running one of these acclaimed "communist regimes" guilty of Hitlerian crimes, I'd ban it. But then I'd have to ban NationStates too, out of fairness to my people.
>implying
Stalin did not commit any crimes.
by Korouse » Fri Sep 28, 2018 4:44 pm
by Orostan » Fri Sep 28, 2018 5:31 pm
Korouse wrote:Orostan wrote:I'd say economic crises, but that works too.
>implying
Stalin did not commit any crimes.
It's sarcasm. I'm what a lot of the people on the right-wing discussion thread would call a "Stalinist" or a "Tankie" even though I support the idea of a socialist multi-party democracy. He did do bad things though. No need to take extreme positions because your opposition is extreme in its ignorance.
“It is difficult for me to imagine what “personal liberty” is enjoyed by an unemployed hungry person. True freedom can only be where there is no exploitation and oppression of one person by another; where there is not unemployment, and where a person is not living in fear of losing his job, his home and his bread. Only in such a society personal and any other freedom can exist for real and not on paper.” -J. V. STALIN
Ernest Hemingway wrote:Anyone who loves freedom owes such a debt to the Red Army that it can never be repaid.
Napoleon Bonaparte wrote:“To understand the man you have to know what was happening in the world when he was twenty.”
Cicero wrote:"In times of war, the laws fall silent"
by Washington Resistance Army » Fri Sep 28, 2018 5:32 pm
by Orostan » Fri Sep 28, 2018 5:52 pm
“It is difficult for me to imagine what “personal liberty” is enjoyed by an unemployed hungry person. True freedom can only be where there is no exploitation and oppression of one person by another; where there is not unemployment, and where a person is not living in fear of losing his job, his home and his bread. Only in such a society personal and any other freedom can exist for real and not on paper.” -J. V. STALIN
Ernest Hemingway wrote:Anyone who loves freedom owes such a debt to the Red Army that it can never be repaid.
Napoleon Bonaparte wrote:“To understand the man you have to know what was happening in the world when he was twenty.”
Cicero wrote:"In times of war, the laws fall silent"
by Bakery Hill » Fri Sep 28, 2018 6:13 pm
by Orostan » Fri Sep 28, 2018 6:14 pm
“It is difficult for me to imagine what “personal liberty” is enjoyed by an unemployed hungry person. True freedom can only be where there is no exploitation and oppression of one person by another; where there is not unemployment, and where a person is not living in fear of losing his job, his home and his bread. Only in such a society personal and any other freedom can exist for real and not on paper.” -J. V. STALIN
Ernest Hemingway wrote:Anyone who loves freedom owes such a debt to the Red Army that it can never be repaid.
Napoleon Bonaparte wrote:“To understand the man you have to know what was happening in the world when he was twenty.”
Cicero wrote:"In times of war, the laws fall silent"
by Bakery Hill » Fri Sep 28, 2018 6:15 pm
by Bakery Hill » Fri Sep 28, 2018 6:17 pm
by Orostan » Fri Sep 28, 2018 6:22 pm
Bakery Hill wrote:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deportation_of_the_Chechens_and_Ingush
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deportati ... he_Balkars
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deportati ... ean_Tatars
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flight_an ... E2%80%9350)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deportati ... iet_Greeks
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deportati ... rian_Finns
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kalmyk_de ... ns_of_1943
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deportati ... viet_Union
Bakery Hill wrote:Orostan wrote:Sending groups whose members collaborated with the Germans in large numbers to Central Asia and giving them valuable economic assets to restart with is not ethnic cleansing.
This is probably one of the least socialist things I've heard from a socialist. I hope you never talk about something like Islamophobia again.
“It is difficult for me to imagine what “personal liberty” is enjoyed by an unemployed hungry person. True freedom can only be where there is no exploitation and oppression of one person by another; where there is not unemployment, and where a person is not living in fear of losing his job, his home and his bread. Only in such a society personal and any other freedom can exist for real and not on paper.” -J. V. STALIN
Ernest Hemingway wrote:Anyone who loves freedom owes such a debt to the Red Army that it can never be repaid.
Napoleon Bonaparte wrote:“To understand the man you have to know what was happening in the world when he was twenty.”
Cicero wrote:"In times of war, the laws fall silent"
by Bakery Hill » Fri Sep 28, 2018 6:22 pm
by Bakery Hill » Fri Sep 28, 2018 7:06 pm
Orostan wrote:Bakery Hill wrote:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deportation_of_the_Chechens_and_Ingush
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deportati ... he_Balkars
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deportati ... ean_Tatars
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flight_an ... E2%80%9350)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deportati ... iet_Greeks
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deportati ... rian_Finns
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kalmyk_de ... ns_of_1943
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deportati ... viet_Union
I just said that moving people around for security reasons and removing them from the country are not exactly the same thing.Bakery Hill wrote:This is probably one of the least socialist things I've heard from a socialist. I hope you never talk about something like Islamophobia again.
I never said I liked the deportations. The only thing I have said is that they were done for security reasons and that they were not crimes.
by Orostan » Fri Sep 28, 2018 7:26 pm
Bakery Hill wrote:One example: Around 5,000 Kalmyks collaborated with the Nazis. Around 8,000 Kalmyks recieved medal and award from the Red Army for their service. Around 20,000 Kalmyks were killed by German troops. The solution of course is to round up all 100,000 of them and rip them from their home country, killing 50,000 on the way due to neglect. An ethnicity cannot be guilty of a crime. Ethnic cleansing is not a legitimate political option. If you think this is the case, you are not a socialist.
“It is difficult for me to imagine what “personal liberty” is enjoyed by an unemployed hungry person. True freedom can only be where there is no exploitation and oppression of one person by another; where there is not unemployment, and where a person is not living in fear of losing his job, his home and his bread. Only in such a society personal and any other freedom can exist for real and not on paper.” -J. V. STALIN
Ernest Hemingway wrote:Anyone who loves freedom owes such a debt to the Red Army that it can never be repaid.
Napoleon Bonaparte wrote:“To understand the man you have to know what was happening in the world when he was twenty.”
Cicero wrote:"In times of war, the laws fall silent"
by Cekoviu » Fri Sep 28, 2018 7:35 pm
Orostan wrote:Bakery Hill wrote:One example: Around 5,000 Kalmyks collaborated with the Nazis. Around 8,000 Kalmyks recieved medal and award from the Red Army for their service. Around 20,000 Kalmyks were killed by German troops. The solution of course is to round up all 100,000 of them and rip them from their home country, killing 50,000 on the way due to neglect. An ethnicity cannot be guilty of a crime. Ethnic cleansing is not a legitimate political option. If you think this is the case, you are not a socialist.
I want to make it very clear that I do not like that policy. I can see, however, why the Soviet leadership thought it necessary at the time. NKVD agents did these operations very quickly, and it’s my opinion that these deaths in transit, while they certainly could have been avoided, were not due to deliberate policy but rather the quickness of the operations. I do not pretend like “ethnic cleansing” is a good thing but you’ve got to put yourself in Stalin’s boots here. There were hostile elements among these ethnic groups in high percentages. Deporting all of them was the easiest and most effective option. And again, it was not a good option.
by Ragero » Fri Sep 28, 2018 8:29 pm
by Cekoviu » Fri Sep 28, 2018 8:46 pm
Ragero wrote:I am a right-leaning centrist who thinks both sides have good ideas, and i think communism could work, but its losing my trust with it having no freedom of speech.
by Great Minarchistan » Fri Sep 28, 2018 8:56 pm
Korouse wrote:Great Minarchistan wrote:>Blaming something that doesn't currently exert a significant influence most countries in the world after a tankie subreddit was quarantined
Wew laddie, really desperate to find someone to justify the decrease in quality of that sub, amirite? :^)
Reddit in general is low-quality unintentional shitposts from psued-intellects. If I was running one of these acclaimed "communist regimes" guilty of Hitlerian crimes, I'd ban it. But then I'd have to ban NationStates too, out of fairness to my people.
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